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Limo

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  1. 42 minutes ago, usagi said:

    solely attributing the social/ethical disposition of Chinese mainlanders to the horrors they've experienced in recent times would be a mistake. I'm sure it's got partly to do with it (brutality can certainly create inhumanity in its victims), but it also has a lot to do with the system of beliefs that's been forced upon them.

    Show me the passage in Marx where it says the countryside should be starved to death or the bit where Lenin claims it’s a good idea to have high school students beat their teachers to a pulp.

    Stalin, of course, did starve out the Ukraine, so there is that, but by and large China is in its own league when it comes to murderous politics, especially murderous politics *within living memory*.

    Ideology is nothing more than window dressing. What actually matters are facts on the ground.

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  2. 4 hours ago, ignatius said:

    USA's 400 years of slavery is hard to top.

    Good point. And as usual, what makes China worse isn’t so much the horrors themselves but the scale at which they happen. In China everything is always larger and involves an order of magnitude more people.

    46 minutes ago, Rubin Farr said:

    Don’t forget the US nuked Japan twice, that’s pretty horrific. 

    Yup. Extremely callous. I was surprised to learn, however, that that was nowhere near the worst thing the US did to Japan:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

    Japan had been so thoroughly brutalized by august 1945 the nukes aren’t mentioned at all in the meeting notes of the Japanese cabinet for when they were discussing whether to surrender or not.

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  3. 2 hours ago, chenGOD said:

    While we should be cautious about survivor or defector narratives, we can’t always dismiss them out of hand.

    The horrors of the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward before it are *very* well attested. Hundreds of thousands of eyewitness accounts exist and they’re even studied (and acknowledged) by official Chinese historians.

  4. 18 minutes ago, zero said:

    some hardcore stuff in that list. this one in particular caught my eye - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre

    hannibal lecter seal of approval right there -

     

    From that Wikipedia article, a quote by someone who lived through the Cultural Revolution:

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     "I am pessimistic about humanity and pessimistic about humans. Because we have been through the Cultural Revolution, we have become very alert. I am very alert, alert like a peacock. Be careful, because humans are the most horrible animals, 

    If you consider the horrors everyone in mainland China who is older than 40 has gone through a lot more about the country makes sense. From the absolutely vicious behavior when queuing by way of the completely obscene obsession with material goods to the stupendously dark world view that shrugs off internment and worse of millions of Uighurs and Tibetans: it all makes much more sense if you remember this  society has had just about the worst imaginable atrocities possible inflicted upon it within living memory and that with hardly any of the perpetrators being held to account for it.

     

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  5. On 8/28/2021 at 2:32 PM, brian trageskin said:

    i've watched herbie hancock's "masterclass" and as expected, it's complete garbage except for the bits where he plays. 

    Hancock couldn't possibly be a good teacher. He's too much of a musical genius to impart onto mere mortals how it's done.

  6. 2 hours ago, chenGOD said:

    The video game thing is dumb of course, because there are numerous loopholes to exploit, and prohibition doesn't work.

    The interesting aspect about it is really in the power hierarchy it exposes: the original release was done through the National Press and Publication Administration (NPPA), and not the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT), which is the Ministry responsible for regulating the internet. Why is this interesting? Because the NPPA (which is responsible for granting licenses to online games) falls under the Central Propaganda Department. State control over online gaming as a means to promote CCP propaganda is an interesting tactic indeed.

    It's also going to lead to more invasion of privacy by corporations for the state, such as the Tencent use of facial recognition, or their logging of play time in games like League of Legends.

    I can also imagine the ministry of information technology not being big on curtailing information  technology companies.

    Anyway, really interesting to see how all this clamping down on tech will unfold.

    Probably best to do it from afar.

  7. 2 hours ago, auxien said:

    video gaming culture is only one aspect of this and is not inherently bad at al

    Video gaming culture as a bunch of nerds building fun things for using computers as toys is not inherently bad at all.

    Video gaming culture as a bunch of multi billion dollar companies leveraging addiction science to milk their customers for all they're worth very much is.

    EU countries mitigate the effects of this by, for example, prohibiting loot boxes. It's not much, but it's a start. China probably thinks they're pussies for not doing any more, but would probably be wise to read up on the effects of prohibition. That never seems to work to truly stamp out something - quite the opposite. What do they think is going to happen once people turn 18 and can start playing games unfettered?

     

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  8. 1 hour ago, Squee said:

    Wouldn't that be where the parents come into play instead of the state?

    The state is more powerful than parents, though, so probably better equipped to tackle behemoth companies that target children.

    Not saying I agree with this policy, but I could see how this would be the reasoning. This seems to be a more draconian version of the rules in EU countries that prohibit (or at least limit) advertising aimed at children.

     

    EDIT: which is probably a fair summary of everything China does:

    - Bigger

    - More people are involved

    - More draconian

  9. 9 hours ago, brian trageskin said:

    lol at foreigners on an idm forum watching more french films than i do. i can't even remember the last time i watched one. but then i rarely ever watch films so...

    never mind me.

    In her defense, Julia Ducournau is quite the Cronenberg, so you might just watch her films because they’re good, not because they’re sentimental sepia tinged bits of nothing with hints of pedophilia.

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    Titane (2021). By the woman who brought you Grave (raw). This one’s less straightforward (I got some Dupieux vibes from the scenes with the firemen having fun together) but nevertheless engaging from start to finish. My wife found some bits a bit gross. I didn’t and I’m normally the squeamish one.

    Highly recommended.

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  11. 45 minutes ago, Rubin Farr said:

    I feel they always got too much credit for following The Beatles’ lead, following the trends of each decade, but coasting after the 70s. As for touring, I think they will hire a seasoned drummer to finish the gigs and maybe beyond that. A lot of fans don’t even realize they’ve had a black bass player for almost 30 years after Bill Wyman quit, as he’s usually not included in band photos.

    Coincidentally I just walked past a record store that had “Their Satanic Majesties Request” in the window. That’s not following the Beatles lead, that’s straight up plagiarism.

    Plagiarism filled with mediocre pub rock, of course. That band truly is the very definition of middle class kitsch.

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  12. Ah, the death of a Rolling Stone.

    While sad for his family and friends (condolences, of course) it does provide me with an opportunity to once again put forth that The Rolling Stones are the most overrated band in history.

    If you want to listen to mediocre pub rock, there are tons of others that are nearly as good, if not better at it.

  13. This looks really interesting:


    Singaporean movie about a guy whose life is controlled by an algorithm that seeks to maximize his happiness.

    Read more here: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/08/review-tiong-bahru-social-club-asks-wont-you-be-my-algorithmic-neighbor/

    If you’re in Canada, apparently you can watch it online for $8 at https://fantasiafestival.com/en/film/tiong-bahru-social-club

    The rest of us will have to wait, I guess ? 

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  14. 1 minute ago, Squee said:

    I think Jefferoo was asking about pizza stones for a gas grill and not an oven. Could be wrong though.

    He did.

    Not sure those can handle such weight either, unless they’re the type you can grill entire pigs on.

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