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    Marxist thought

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    13 hours ago, cyanobacteria said:

    what godel is talking about is bourgeois electoral representative democracy.

    You mean chenGod!

     

    ??

    Marxist thought

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    Posted · Edited by Satans Little Helper

    To take a break from all these heated debates, take a cup a tea and have this vid.

    Interesting vid. All sorts of economical schools of thought in 10 mins. As far as I can tell, it's light hearted, fair and quite neutral as far as I'm concerned.

    Although, they do mention that the most likely development will be that the various schools will converge in the centre, as opposed to an extreme. 

    OK, that's it. Back to hair splitting again... ;D

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    Deleting Social Media

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    I'm happy to never have jumped on the FB train. For a while, it was pretty difficult though. Around 2013-2016 I've noticed many people started to communicate with each other through FB. And there was a real sense of missing out on what people were talking about. People were regularly talking about stuff on FB in real life, back then. That has lessened nowadays. Although I have to admit that Whatsapp is a must. Even professionally. But that has nothing to do with a FB account. And I've noticed more and more people getting off FB. Often out of principle. Which is a good thing, imo.

    Still use linkedin to follow what going on with former colleagues, expand the professional network and being informed about stuff that's relevant in my profession.

    Joined Twitter as well. And mostly used it during Trumps presidency to counter balance the BS by liking the "good guys". Since this year, no Trump has gone, I'm rarely on Twitter I've noticed. Feels healthy.

    Also, conscious efforts to NEVER connect the different platforms I am or was on. I'd like to compartmentalise my online experience. Even in terms of people I'm linked to on various platforms. There's no overlap. So, no you're not getting linked on linkedin. Or twitter. Bandcamp, perhaps. But I don't use that as a social platform.

    Marxist thought

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    2 hours ago, prdctvsm said:

    Zeffolium.jpg

    Highly explosive when mixed with Ca. Radioactive. Toxic. I'm sure it'd be a solid at chamber temperature. In its pure form, that is. Mixed with other substances, anything can happen. It becomes unstable. And please, keep it away from Ca.

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    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    In a - what I would argue - normal world he would have been convicted by the senate and (then) you would have been right. But that's just not the world we're living in. No need to jump into the weeds of semantics here. Just accept the reality of being wrong. For once. ?

    Marxist thought

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    2 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

    very low quality post

    welcome to communist standards of posting, comrad. also had to make sure i follow your lead in terms of quality. there's no difference in class here, right?

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    Posted

    1 minute ago, very honest said:

    trump is disqualified because he participated in insurrection

    It's just an accusation. There's a difference between a missing leg (easily verifiable) and an accusation of insurrection. I think you're getting ahead of your skies. This is more like that OJ Simpson case, where you know he did it, but he was acquitted anyways. Or whatever the outcome was zillions years ago.

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    4 minutes ago, very honest said:

    two thirds supermajority is a very high threshhold. to US political observers, getting 7 GOP senators to vote to convict is damning. it means he did it, in the world of reality, and serious people know that.

    if you've assumed that there is any formal connection between that vote and any upcoming 14th amendment vote then i think that's incorrect. it may come down to the party numbers in 2023.

    even mcconnell said trump did it.

    I really have a hard time making sense of your logic.

    First you say this:

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    in my view, by law, he is disqualified.

    And now you say that there's a number of people that think he did it. A majority but not the required 2/3s. By law that means he's acquitted. Instead of disqualified. That's how US law works, right?

    The threshold was put there for a reason. You can't just move it aside when it suits your view. If you say by law, you should follow the law. An impeachment is not much more than an accusation. The jury was the senate. And they acquitted. Acquitted by law.

    If there's any article of some legal expert making the opposite argument, be sure to post a link. And I'm not looking for legal experts who argue there's a strong case for Trumps playing a role in this insurrection. The argument is about the implications of the acquittal. Not whether or not there's a strong case that Trump is guilty of insurrection. That's a separate issue.

    Marxist thought

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    47 minutes ago, cyanobacteria said:

    the lack of comprehension of what communism even is is really annoying.  it's not a thing you can just do if you choose to.  it's a mode of suppression and regression.

    finally

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    1 minute ago, very honest said:

    they are talking about impeachmemt. talk about 14th amendment won't pop up until 2023, (if he tries to run).

    this is my understanding. i'm not sure if lawsuits or other mechanisms could also be a factor but yeah i think congress would have to invoke it and vote. they will wait to address this until they have to (2023/2024)

     

    now, here's section 3 of the 14th amendment:

    https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/#:~:text=But neither the United States,be held illegal and void.

     

    i view this debate we are having this way: there is the law and there is enforcement. in my view, by law, he is disqualified. if congress fails to enforce that, that is another issue.

    I think the point is that he was accused (impeached) by the house and the senate acquitted. So without any further action from the senate, he can run again. The accusation on its own is not enough. The 14th amndmt. assumes more than just an accusation. At least, from a legal point of view, that makes the most sense. To me anyways. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    Thanks! Clear answers!

    41 minutes ago, very honest said:

     

    he was not disqualified by impeachment conviction

     

    he is disqualified according to the 14th amendment because he participated in an insurrection. regardless of your willful ignorance.

    You can write it off as wilful ignorance, if you so desire. If that floats your boat, go at it. I was just looking for a straight answer to a simple question.

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    Thought I was asking a straight question. So I'll repeat: Acquitted means he can still run for office, right?

    Either a "yes" or "no" will be fine. Not interested to expand my knowledge beyond that, tbh. I'm currently in an instant gratification mood.

    Thank you.

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    1 hour ago, very honest said:

    not a record because the other guy got 7 million more

    Not sure if going pedantic here makes any sense, but he has the record number of votes for a GOP candidate. And apart from Biden had the highest number of votes. Fair to call it a record imo. Or case in point: WTF.

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    At the conclusion of the trial, the Senate voted 57–43 to convict Trump of inciting insurrection, falling 10 votes short of the two-thirds majority required by the Constitution, and Trump was therefore acquitted. Seven Republican senators joined all Democratic and independent senators in voting to convict Trump, the largest bipartisan vote for an impeachment conviction of a U.S. president.

    Reads like he was acquitted. Am I missing something? Acquitted means he can still run for office, right?

    Coronavirus COVID-19

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    3 hours ago, Rubin Farr said:

     

    And this guy still got a record number of votes during the last election. And could run for office again in 2024. Sometimes the reality can be worse than your imagination. ?

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