Guest blicero Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 This video is infuriating. Regardless of your feelings on Maddow, it's hard to ignore that this guy is doing his best to conveniently hide the fucked up side of his hyper-libertarian agenda (a/k/a the private sector can do whatever the fuck they want): http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/05/rand-paul-and-civil-rights-the-end-of-the-tea-party/57053/ Fuck this dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 lol it took him less than 24 hours to recant and say he was being stupid. whattacunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 also, rachel maddow rules. the ease with which she utterly violates people through civil, measured argument is just astounding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Pg22ow1e8 i mean goddamn. just goddamn. pure sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 libertarians are left wing nutters legalise weed gay marriage might as well join democrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I fucking love that his name is "Rand." And by love, mean it makes me puke and destroys what little hope I had left for humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 libertarians are left wing nutters legalise weed gay marriage might as well join democrats naw they want to deregulate everything, period, and turn america into a hellish corporatocracy the likes of which have only ever been seen in futuristic cyberpunk role-playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 waiting for EDGEY to come in here and tell me i'm a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 libertarians are left wing nutters legalise weed gay marriage might as well join democrats naw they want to deregulate everything, period, and turn america into a hellish corporatocracy the likes of which have only ever been seen in futuristic cyberpunk role-playing games. left wing anarchist nutters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 yup xxx that's exactly the damn problem with libertarianism. i love that the argument presented by rand and other libertarians is that "oh, corporations only try to cheat the system because there's a system in place! do away with the regulations and they'd have no reason to try to do any of that!" of COURSE they wouldn't, it wouldn't be ILLEGAL for them to fucking dump chemicals in my backyard and inject me with thalidomide so i have flipper babies and cheat the stock market and do whatever the hell else they can get away with for a quick buck. it's the most retarded argument ever. left wing anarchist nutters it's not left wing though. i mean socially, yes. they are socially liberal. but fiscally they're conservative. as conservative as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Most economic libertarians either have never hear the word "externality" (particularly with respect to resources/environment) or just plainly don't give a shit about anything but their short-term cash flow. I mean, that's a gross generalization, but. . . yeah. Basically, the end result is corporate feudalism and pretty far removed from anything but Adam Smith's worst nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 "The terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution, referring to the seating arrangement in parliament; those who sat on the left generally supported the radical changes of the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization" - wiki I put 'em on the left. Crazy radicals who want to change everything. Conservatism is about saying "whoa, stop changing all this stuff dude". Free marketeers aren't the same thing as conservatives, even though they currently have a lot of influence in today's Republican Party and Tory Party (UK). I don't think Edmund Burke would have approved of Rand Paul, could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 "The terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution, referring to the seating arrangement in parliament; those who sat on the left generally supported the radical changes of the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization" - wiki I put 'em on the left. Crazy radicals who want to change everything. Conservatism is about saying "whoa, stop changing all this stuff dude". Free marketeers aren't the same thing as conservatives, even though they currently have a lot of influence in today's Republican Party and Tory Party (UK). I don't think Edmund Burke would have approved of Rand Paul, could be wrong though. conservatives haven't been about keeping things the same since things started to change. these days they're more about setting things back. simply put, fiscal libertarians pretty much want a return to the robber barons and monopolies of the late 19th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 For the record, this guy is running as a republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 simply put, fiscal libertarians pretty much want a return to the robber barons and monopolies of the late 19th century. as the french revolutionaries wanted a return of pre-monarchist times! big change, big revolution in how things are done = left wing! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 simply put, fiscal libertarians pretty much want a return to the robber barons and monopolies of the late 19th century. as the french revolutionaries wanted a return of pre-monarchist times! big change, big revolution in how things are done = left wing! :-) not quite how polisci works. might not entirely make sense, but that's what the elitists in their ivory towers say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 LOL: Rand Paul on BP oil spill and W. Virginia mine tragedy: "Shit happens [sic]" http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcWDDpnvzUBPOjd-av800lfTR8AQD9FRBTF83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 LOL: Rand Paul on BP oil spill and W. Virginia mine tragedy: "Shit happens [sic]" http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcWDDpnvzUBPOjd-av800lfTR8AQD9FRBTF83 omfg he's shaping up to be the next bachmann. wonder if he even knows what the b in bp stands for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 LOL: Rand Paul on BP oil spill and W. Virginia mine tragedy: "Shit happens [sic]" http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcWDDpnvzUBPOjd-av800lfTR8AQD9FRBTF83 I. . . . We're doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 you guys have guns over there, use them. his peeps are the ones with all the guns. im a liberul pantywaist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EDGEY Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 waiting for EDGEY to come in here and tell me i'm a cunt. I'll be polite... Yes, I'm a libertarian. Yes, I read Ayn Rand. Now that I've said that.. and you've all made assumptions about my politics, allow me to return the favor. All democrats are socialist tree-hugging jobless hippie faggots. All republicans are racist toothless inbreds fucking their sisters with the butt end of pa's shotgun. Also, tea-baggers have co-opted the true libertarian intent - and they've diluted the politics of party. It's troubling because I'm such a libertarian concerning individual rights and even the Fair Tax but it fucking fails to the hilt when anybody with even a little more power and money than you feels the same way because they can wind up fucking owning you and then using the same philosophy--"hey, everyone do as they please, it's my imperative to start a huge buttfuck corporation like BP and so what if I fucked up the gulf coast, I'm just exercising my freedom to capitalist endeavors; it's not my fault that the fish, wildlife, and coastal humans chose the Gulf as their home" Stop treating business entities as if they were people, and you might be able to find a solution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3FF3R00 Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 I think it's funny that so many libertarians thought we had shit much better off in the 1700s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 I think it's funny that so many libertarians thought we had shit much better off in the 1700s. well libertarians are either rich people who are like FUCK YOU GOT MINE and just want more or poor idiots who think they'll make it big someday and get to oppress people with the best of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 big business aside, the linked article was about segregation in the private sector. And you know what? I'm fine with that. As long as public schools, govt, transportation, medical care, etc are desegregated, why should I care if some racist dude wants to make an exclusive little clubhouse for whiteys? Falls into the same category for me as the ban on smoking in bars, or helmet laws. Let people do what they want, civil society will sort itself out eventually, without prodding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Helper ET Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 imagine if you injected hard deadly metals directly through the skull and into the brains of children, then locked them in a small classroom, and forced them to discuss american politics. it might be a lot like this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 big business aside, the linked article was about segregation in the private sector. And you know what? I'm fine with that. As long as public schools, govt, transportation, medical care, etc are desegregated, why should I care if some racist dude wants to make an exclusive little clubhouse for whiteys? Falls into the same category for me as the ban on smoking in bars, or helmet laws. Let people do what they want, civil society will sort itself out eventually, without prodding. it's not about that though. that would remove anti-discrimination laws in the workplace too. its not just about NO NEGROES EATIN IN MY RESTAURANT, it's about people getting away with not hiring people due to race (or any other factor, really.) and that wouldnt be as blatant as "NO IRISH NEED APPLY," that would just be silent crap. i mean, enough places have discriminatory hiring practices as it is, even with regulations. take away those regulations and bad things will happen. in a perfect world, you're right, i'll give you that. the world's not perfect, though. these paint chips are DELICIOUssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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