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8 hours ago, Satans Little Helper said:
that's a rather long rant to say you don't understand trump voters.
that's fine though. but remember, if you'd actually understand them, you wouldn't be writing posts like this. (please note that understanding and agreeing are two very different things)
i identified the core of trump's political support and laid out a compelling, strong, well-supported argument illuminating that core as obviously a con
it was wordy. i tried to edit it down
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i listen to sarah longwell's focus group podcast and trump voters are all buying a trick from 2016. the "political outsider champion of the people" idea. that's been a ridiculous idea since 2017.
it's absurd: trump stands up for no one but himself, he's famously a narcissist. he's known to espouse a philosophy of admiring deception and greed, and having contempt for honesty and selflessness. he's known to say things like "troops are suckers."
the "outsider" narrative is always bogus because as soon as you're running for office you're a politician. that's just by the definition of the word.
and then: he's the billionaire yet working people think he is standing up for them against the rich? somehow trump has landed this deceit. it's an inversion of reality: trump pandered to the rich and was extremely corrupt.
doing things for the people? there's not much people can say he did for them. he inherited obama's good economy and tanked it.
he tried to take the most profound thing away from people, freedom from tyranny. democracy is a fragile experiment of collective self-goverment in a hostile universe, he tried to collapse that. that's what he did for the people.
it's interesting that this lame trick from 2016 is what's driving most voters who would reinstall this compromised demon that threatens to destabilize the world as we know it. this is how low-information voters are. it's like they haven't received new information since the 2016 campaign? it's true that a lot of people aren't getting a lot of information. but also information that the fascist collective don't want people to believe gets phase inverted. fallacious narratives are deployed to make people less likely to believe the true thing. that's why it's as though trump doesn't conspire with putin, didn't abuse power and didn't try to overthrow democracy, for a lot of people. true information is systematically dismantled in people's minds by the weird collective of actors subverting reality in the modern information ecosystem.
somehow, after all the counter-narratives cancel out, what's left for trumpers is believing his schtick: that "outsider champion of the people" character that he transparently cons people with.
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On 2/18/2024 at 5:59 AM, Satans Little Helper said:
spatial computing? is that the new apple thing? if so: lol...as if
that's facial computing
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quite dramatic and tragic, the fate of navalny
a week after tucker meekly platforms professional deception operative putin for millions of international viewers
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blown away by the insight that biden is old
scorcese is also 81 and killers of the flower moon is a masterpiece. i love how it focuses on deeply immoral and manipulative deceit, and people who are tricked by people they trust. it even demonstrates how to manipulate someone into being an accomplice. i notice many familiar tricks employed by deniro's character, like persuasion with fallacies such as the Fallacy of Inevitability.
see 23:05 for a perfect rebuttal of fools saying things like biden should step down. we would get kamala or newsom, who perform worse in swing states.
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@ignatius it was an example that served the point i was making about how deceptive narratives are designed so that people are motivated to post them. i thought you wouldn't mind. you know i'm doing gonzo here. it was more about the biden-is-old narrative than hair sniffing. it was so weird to see jon stewart owning biden for being old like he had no idea what he was doing. i'm trying to explain what's going on because it's just a new world. now this republican special counsel did a hit job on biden while finding no proof of criminality, and i am just aware that the game is now, not october. influence is a cone. put a compelling argument in someone's mind today, and it stays there for the next 9 months and becomes part of the way that person sees things, and aspects get transmitted on to subsequent people. i was putting a donk on things and trying to draw people into this aspect of the situation, because i think we're only just starting to appreciate exactly how the societal configurations are transforming. there's a dark-money-fueled cult ready to tip the us military into authoritarian hands.
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10 hours ago, ignatius said:
edit: srsly man.. get ahold of yourself. don't panic. a handful of people here on watmm making jokes and having opinions/discussions and sharing memes isn't going to amplify any narrative in a way that changes anything in the wider world of american presidential/electoral politics.
sometimes the mongol horde kills everyone in your village. people don't want to think things will fall apart but it happens. there are futures where trump wins and futures from there include bad ones. we get there with all these unhelpful takes about biden.
repetition is proven to result in a higher likelihood of people believing something. to churn out influence, you need get your narrative in as many places as possible. the way to do that is to get people to spread it for you, to design the most viral narrative possible, that makes people feel righteous or enlightened to post. get the posters to post your narrative.
activists know influence is possible, they know the ground game where election results can be impacted. people who deal in this see messaging, see narrative seeding and see deceit, all designed for election results.
you're here publishing on the internet where multitudes read and claiming to not have influence. i'm trying to highlight that we're in a new world where individuals have more responsibility for helping each-other in a hostile info space.
honestly these are insane times and people don't realize what's happening. the conversation gets stuck but it can be moved.
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i'm fucking amazed how people are sharing bad takes for likes that could result in a deeply fucked dystopia in the next 1 year.
all the hot takers criticizing the dems for not having strong messaging don't realize that they are the messagers and they are fucking up the dem messaging
including jon fucking stewart. i grew up on the guy but i can't help but notice in recent years he's looking thirsty and his shit isn't landing. now here he is cashing in some cheap likes that will demobilize dem turnout
let me tell you about this election. it's a mobilization election. it's about not splitting the anti-trump vote, and it's about mobilizing the biden voters. if you don't like that, fist your ass. that's how it is.
biden's fucking great and that's not even bs. people's minds are fucked and they can't handle someone saying the wrong word without bringing about armaggeddon. we're fucked
the guy says the wrong word and jon stewart can't resist amplifying the fox narrative that he's senile
the guy hugs someone and ignatius can't resist amplifying the disinfo narrative that he smells hair
smart people are falling into the modern traps and they don't know they have fishing line hanging out of their mouths
holy fuck we're fucked. and it's not because of biden, biden is a better elected official than most. it's because the minds of the voters are fucked
enjoy pretending you know shit you don't know. these attractive tricks were designed for you to enjoy and you're enjoying them. jesus christ.
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On 2/9/2024 at 9:39 PM, usagi said:
listen, I hate to break this to you, but no matter how much you worship him on this board, you will never actually get to suck his dick. it's better to face this now rather than later.
i would hug him
benevolent grandpa elected leader ♥
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17 hours ago, usagi said:
there's definitely nothing wrong with his cognition, anyone could confuse Mexico and Egypt.
he was obviously talking about egypt and simply said the wrong word. when you talk enough you say the wrong word sometimes. you can even see why, he was talking about a border and associates it with the us border which is used as a political weapon. it happens to everyone. it means nothing. there is nothing wrong with his cognition.
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adherents to q-anon increased from 14% of americans to 23% between 2021 and 2023?
comes up at 31:25 here
jesus fucking christ
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ufo's got a brand new bag
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20 hours ago, Nebraska said:
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111848593080388710
"Somebody said to me, ‘Alina would you rather be smart or pretty?’ And I said, ‘Oh, easy, pretty. You can fake being smart," - Alina Habba
we're in quite a weird world where the dupes of the right are ready to reelect the adjudicated rapist who tried to end america. that is because the information flows are all different these days and people's minds are toast. the zombies are cult members and hostile when you tell them they're manipulated by the real nefarious actors, and they're ready to undo american government.
a heinous concern that people don't think about enough is what the world looks like when the US military falls into the hands of an authoritarian regime. it's a sea change for world history.
those who are able to stay grounded in reality have been wondering what could break the fever? progress has been incremental on the side of sanity in america, but the forces of confusion are empowered by a confluence of funders. and the forces of confusion are empowered with modern info tools, which give the deceitful an advantage over the honest. one hope has been that trump being convicted could be the cold water to wake people up.
earlier here i posted a list of the criminal indictments. basically:
- new york - fraudulent business practices
- georgia - coup
- federal - coup
- federal - stealing national defense info (espionage act statutes)
trump's an info operator before all else. he knows he can sway and delay on georgia with the new accusation fanni willis had an affair with her prosecutor (though it doesn't impact merits of the case). he knows the judge on the federal espionage case is a dumb trumpist who has already revealed her bias in his favor, and she may delay her case past the election. the new york case is less than what trump has been able to get away with, politically, by far.
it shouldn't be overlooked that he's now lost twice in civil court to e jean carroll. but info doesn't penetrate the weird ecosystem of right wing bubble land. of course he's lost on other fronts; trump university and trump charity were shut down for fraud, and his associates have lost criminal cases for sinister charges, but the guy knows how to kick up dust.
that leaves the federal coup case. this is what trump is strategizing as his chief obstacle in his longshot attempt to regain power this year. any day now the DC appeals court will rule on whether trump is immune from prosecution (a ridiculous argument that will lose). as soon as that ruling comes down, either the supreme court will take it or not. if they do, they will almost certainly also find that of course the president cannot do anything they want without criminal liability. so, depending on whether or not the SC take up the case, the expectation is we will be past this delay tactic in either the next week or the next month or so. at that time, the scheduling for the federal coup trial (previously set to start march 4) will be set. expectations are sometime between april and august.
the mistake is to wait and see what consensus does. the whole problem is that people are used to going by consensus, and consensus is hacked. if we wait then all of a sudden it's october and the cake is baked, and it's a cake of bullshit that results in us ending up back in constitutional crisis territory. we actually have a problem of a cult positioned to install an orange russian agent who already let a million americans die as part of his efforts to stay in power.
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biden is great, in my honest opinion. left afghanistan, resolved covid, recovered inflation, good economy, helped ukraine. continues to call things what they are and to handle political conflicts more effectively than anyone i can think of.
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more cause for concern, trump's wins in iowa and new hampshire don't have a historical precedent. he beat his opponents more easily than candidates have in the past
the reality divide is real. and it's not one divide, reality is shattered into a kaleidoscope. and it's not just fractured, it's strategically destructed, deliberately, by a collective of individuals who don't even know what they're doing. and they are continuing to do it.
instructions for the modern information era
- share good info sources
- compare differing info sources and resolve discrepancies, to understand reality
- share good facts - when speaking with someone across a divide, find an innocuous fact they will find interesting. move the ball forward, you don't have to win the battle
- people who are deliberately spreading bullshit, mercilessly crush them. the reality is that the consequences of what's going on right now are potentially quite dire. the information domain has power over the nuclear domain. the mutually assured destruction of nukes has forced conflict into the information space. world war 3 is in people's minds. the kinetic part could be quite catastrophic and we stop it in the information phase. it's not just appropriate, it's important, to shame deceivers publicly, and to illuminate deceptions.
- be careful that you yourself are not spreading harmful bullshit narratives that are seeded for strategic purpose.
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good covert. ronck67 - sounds like karsten pflum
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not only is amanda carpenter a clarion voice but also she is a brilliant, talented, hard-working journalist. this video is two conservatives talking about how seriously dire the trump threat is to american democracy. amanda has the details at hand to describe what we are looking at and what to expect if trump gets back in the white house and it's scary.
amanda just published a report on the trumpian authoritarian playbook
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interesting to see these great (conservative) analysts reacting to trump's landslide win of iowa
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1 hour ago, zlemflolia said:8 hours ago, trying to be less rude said:
sounds like we agree that stalin signed a non-aggression pact with the nazis
so did france and england
false, asshole
you just want to paper the thread with crap
conjure some whataboutism or another fallacy, now, to try to confuse people about murder by lying scoundrels
you cynical self-servers think you're wizards for tricking people, but you're just pretending to be real people. you're fucking actors. you chose the wrong path in life. the human project is about communicating real information so individuals help each-other. you fucking genius deceivers are leeches on the society you depend on and you're so deluded you have no idea what you're even doing
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On 1/10/2024 at 1:30 AM, iococoi said:
aliens be like
that's pretty alarming. the oceans are like buffers. they absorb some temperature change from the atmosphere but there is a limit to how much raised temperature they can bury away in their depths.
probably relates to the lessened sea ice, especially in the arctic. one of the many feedback loops/chain reactions
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sounds like we agree that stalin signed a non-aggression pact with the nazis, and they were both conquering countries at the same time while helping each other and coordinating.
sure, later hitler turned on stalin and did tremendous harm to russian people. both things are true.
russia's aggression in ww2 and soon-following acquisition of nukes is the backdrop for nato
and look... putin is invading neighboring countries. nato is not without justification. what would russia do if there were no nato?
the gymnastics going on in this thread are really amazing
nazi apologist? i'm being trolled. by putin apologists.
zlemflolia you're a fucking propagandist.
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16 hours ago, decibal cooper said:
I believe that Russia was provoked to invade
this is insane.
16 hours ago, decibal cooper said:As you mention above, Russia was invaded via its Western border by Nazis.
no, i mentioned that they fought with hitler. they had a non-aggression pact and worked together as each was conquering neighbors. hitler turned on stalin later.
16 hours ago, decibal cooper said:I hope peace comes soon
i agree
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11 hours ago, decibal cooper said:
My brother in Christ, I politely disagree. Russia did the same thing in Georgia in 2008, and there the conflict was also very much tied to NATO membership. Russia now occupies something like 20% of Georgia after the conflict there. Having a NATO country on its border is a clear red line, as Putin made clear with that invasion of Georgia.
??? what is your point. seems like a non-sequitor fallacy. or maybe appeal to force fallacy, if you're arguing that we should appease invading armies or something
11 hours ago, decibal cooper said:Another way to look at this question of aggression is to do a thought experiment and imagine if China, Russia, and Iran started a military alliance and began building military bases all throughout South America. Their next and final move was to recruit/invite Mexico into the military alliance. Do you not think that America would invade Mexico to prevent this from happening?
appeal to hypotheticals fallacy. different scenario with different context.
11 hours ago, decibal cooper said:Obama was pressured to intervene in Ukraine when things started heating up there, and he declined. He said something like 'Ukraine is not of dire strategic interest to America, but it will always be so for Russia.' One user mentioned taking into context the last decade, but you need to go further. NATO was Russia's mortal enemy during the entirety of the Cold War. If you do not take these things into consideration, then in my humble opinion, you are maybe buying into American propaganda. Just like the Russians we do it too.
??? what is your point. yes, nato was primarily strategized as a defense against russia. the context of that involves them siding with hitler and trying to conquer the world in world war 2, then shortly thereafter developing insane nukes
putin invaded ukraine. usa didn't make him do that. are you arguing it was a reasonable response to usa? this argument doesn't even make sense. if zelensky invaded russia then maybe you could try a proxy argument but here it's just vague and refers to nothing. walk me through the logic again.
1. nato
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3. putin had no choice but to invade ukraine and fire missles blindly into civilian areas literally thousands of times
dude this makes no sense. the "USA" argument skates by the simple fact of ukrainian choice. they chose to fight. it's some dark fuckery to suggest that USA is somehow sinisterly manipulating events in order to cause an ally nation to fight a war for them. is that the suggestion? it's darkly fucked up, in addition to being wrong, and in addition to being offensive. it's deeply fucking wrong, i can tell you as someone who consumes way too much high quality content about us government, intelligence and military, and has for a very long time.
the below poster is a known propagandist
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2020 US Election
in General Banter
Posted · Edited by trying to be less rude
i'm talking about listening to trumpers talk about why they like trump. maybe i could distinguish between those who may vote for him and those who actually like him. probably some people may vote for him in 2024 even though they don't like him. that's a good distinction to make.
right. he's a demagogue. a charlatan. a con man.
this is really interesting. you're describing a demagogue becoming a tyrant, as the founders feared. his voters think he is being disruptive in a benevolent or acceptable way, because they are buying into the false schtick that i described, and don't realize that he is destructive like cancer.
and you're right, that is part of the draw: people like that he is something different and that he is fucking with things. but their perception of that destruction is colored by that schtick i describe, which is false. lending credence to the idea of that fake character he claims to be is what prevents people from seeing his destruction as the cancer that it is.
you say "all they care about is someone who acts/feels like they do" and that is the same idea my argument aims to dismantle. trump is not the champion of the people, he doesn't feel like they do. trump despises the people. he's tricked them into thinking that he is like them. he is nothing like regular americans and he is not acting like they would. he's a sociopath and is manipulating people into thinking that he is like them.