LimpyLoo

There's a lot of assumptions in the things you were saying though. like the assumption that having a driver's license makes one a better and safer driver which isn't the case. Having experience driving makes one a better a driver. A lot of government regulated things are useless bloat that give the illusion of safety. Like drug laws, and they empower the government and its agents to do things that are manifestly unjust. a lot libertarianism is about not empowering a entity that is incapable of being held accountable to wreak havoc on people's lives. You say in lieu of government that it would be the rich and powerful, but the rich and powerful already own our government. Obviously a totally government free society isn't the answer but our government is nowhere from being ideal 1) You won't find me defending drug laws and gov't bloat and inefficiency and corruption...these are real problems, as real as they come 2) so you're saying that since drivers licences are a low standard, therefor we should have no standard? A lot of Libertarian logic seems to have this flavor...e.g. Our current regulation isn't perfect at protecting against pollution etc, therefor the answer is zero regulation...? You're gonna have to explain that to me, because you always point to this magical logic but how would NO regulation be better and safer than SOME? 3) "not empowering a entity that is incapable of being held accountable to wreak havoc on people's lives" That is the joke of it...if you think the American gov't is unaccountable, try living under under a corporate tyranny...free markets create monopolies, we know that...even slightly under-regulated markets do...you will live under a 100% unaccountable corporate tyranny, no voting, no elections, no petitions, nothing...it would be Neuromancer, not Burning Man...

People are gonna be too busy scavenging for clean drinking water...the commons will immediately be polluted, overfished and overhunted...we're gonna all be stuck on the bottom level of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs...politics? Solar panels? Ebola containment? Justice of any kind? Not likely... Or maybe if you're lucky, Nestle will sell you a glass of clean drinking water for 10 hours of hard labor...maybe you'll have the occasional 5 minutes where you're not in survival mode and you can pontificate about political systems or Ebola solutions or how to pull your 5 year old daughter out of prostitution I mean, talk about taking things for granted...the reason all these things don't happen all the time is because laws are basically a way to offset the perverse incentives hard-coded into humanity...if you remove regulation against raping the commons, the commons will get raped...it already happens plenty WITH regulation...and you wanna dismantle the EPA? Good luck with your arsenic home testing kits

There are so many assumptions hidden in what you're saying, though... Using solar panels assumes you would own property...what is stopping Google from buying up land and then renting it to people...that is what tends to happen, the monarchy takes your life and then rents you a life...and if you misbehave politically, hey they send dudes to come rip out your solar panels or beat you up...and if you think this violates some non-aggression principle, well what are you gonna do about it? Space-x? You think anyone's gonna be thinking about space? People are gonna be thinking about food and violence and how not to get enslaved...this isn't gonna be some beautiful hi-tech world, it's gonna be Dickens with robots and shit...

You can't organize a revolution with the Internet if Google or Verizon decide that they don't want the economy destabilized by a revolution...

What does that mean, exactly? "Open Source" is a great solution for some things, but you can't have people on the Internet crowdsource solutions if Google or Verizon or whoever in the chain decides to selectively block or filter things based on political or economic motivations...you need a government to protect against Rupert Murdoch buying all the communication utilities

Utopian or not, this is where Ron Paul libertarianism points...and he's not even slightly humble about stuff he hasn't thought through, he just says 'free market will yield the perfect results' to any specific policy questions Gary Johnson is a fan of private prisons...why, because if the free market does it then therefor it's good and it "maximizes freedom" even if that means there is now a financial incentive to imprison people...but hey, whatever the cost for this "freedom" they speak of

I think it's safe to assume Ron and Rand Paul just wanna "Eiffel tower" some Ebola-ridden child hooker while drunk driving an RV going 200mph

When you think of Libertarianism, don't *merely* imagine an Orwellian boot stomping a face...imagine child prostitutes on every Dickensian corner...if you're not born to parents that can afford an education for you, then go fuck yourself...you'll make a great worker in my sweatshop...that is, if you're not killed by a drunk un-licensed driver...and this is a world lousy with Polio and AIDS and Ebola....who the fuck is gonna deal with big-picture epidemiology shit? The imaginary fucking hand isn't...who's gonna risk studying Polio for 10 years in a world with no intellectual property? If you find a cure, I'm just gonna immediately copy it and make it cheaper...yay freedom!

no, you're the one mistaking who they are. oddly there are even some libertarians who seem to be supporting Trump (most of them are not dumb enough thankfully, and might spoil the election for the republicans by voting for Johnson in swing states instead), not realising he's the antithesis of a libertarian: he doesn't believe in the free market, he believes in protectionism, he loves eminent domain, wants to massively increase the military budget, doesn't want to decriminalize drugs, wants significant barriers to immigration, advocates committing war crimes (including deliberately bombing civilians, murdering the families of jihadists, and torturing people), wants to expand government surveillance programs, wanted Apple to cave to the FBI's requests to create backdoors for government uses, wants to beef up libel laws (mostly so he can sue people who point out what a cunt he is), panders to the social conservatives on every issue (I think he's probably fairly socially liberal in person - really he's an authoritarian big government Democrat, an ignorant, misogynistic, racist one - but as a president he won't, and can't, be socially liberal). a large section of his support comes from white supremacists and neo nazis, I really don't know how you could possibly fail to realise this. Clinton recently called half of his support deplorable, she was wrong, it was actually 42%: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Pres/Maps/Sep12.html#item-2. his running mate just the other day refused to call former leader of the KKK David Duke a deplorable individual. you're on the same side here as actual nazis. This sordid interest in "Libertarianism" needs to die a quick death. The Libertarian Utopia assholes like Ron Paul advocate for would be populated by slavery, brutal mafias and cartels un-impeded by any government, it would be assholes on crystal meth doing 150mph wherever the fuck the want, no drivers licenses, no Amber Alerts, public resources would be raped to destruction, if you buy a product you better fucking hope the person who made it knew what they were doing AND ALSO isn't trying to sell you Fukashuma apples (ooh, but they might face "market discipline" after they kill 400 people...better hope they don't just skip town and do it all over), your milk has arsenic in it? Too fucking bad for you...what recourse do you have? You gonna sue them after you die? Is your widowed spouse gonna write a negative Yelp review? When I hear a Libertarian talk about "enhanced freedom" all I hear is "this world isn't shitty enough, let's TRULY let the monsters run the show simply because I hate taxes so much"...you got a mob of killers and rapists walking around...you need to be more powerful than them to stop them, that is just a brute fact of reality...Libertarians just offer duct tape 'fixes' for these sorts of problems based on reputation and market discipline...it is just adolescent nonsense Yeah, social libertarianism, fine...but fuck Rand Paul in the ass with a dildo made in China full of lead and arsenic and dioxin and just whatever corners can be cut to make the most profitable dildo

I wouldn't mind owning an AK-47 I would like a pistol, and some sort of rifle. But i live in australia and it's not that simple since we're effectively disarmed here. We didn't have the astronomical rate of gun crime that the US has when we were armed by the way. And if you take all the races out of the stats besides white people and north east asians, the US has similar rates of gun crime to europe. Those 'stand your ground' people that limpy is paranoid of are not the one's that will use a weapon to rob or kill him, they are the least likely too. He's just racist against middle america, which is the typical liberal disease. You seem to think I am just an empty receptacle for the party line, like I just love Hillary and am eager to defend her against all criticism You can't even concede one single criticism against Trump, whereas I think Clinton is a power-hungry criminal piece of garbage... "Racist against middle America"... Have you ever actually been exposed to "middle America"? I live in "middle America" and We're not talking about "middle America", we're talking about my ex-KKK upstairs neighbor who is obsessed with how big black people's lips are...this is the intellectual pedigree we're dealing with here... The big difference between us I think is that I recognize blacks commit a massively disproportionate amount of violent crime...but this "middle America" you speak of thinks it's because black people are genetically inferior, whereas it is very clearly the result of Relative Poverty I mean, tell me Delet, why do YOU think blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime? Just admit that you think they're genetically inferior and we can move on

Once again, evade the subject...just ad hominem your way out of it Trump went on record saying Blacks are lazy and stupid The gov't sued him twice for not renting to non-whites His cabinet is filled with openly racist people He says literally "I love war" and he talks about wanting to use nukes He openly praises the world's fascist dictators He has incited his supporters to use violence His proposed foreign policy VIOLATES THE GENEVA CONVENTION Please, Delet, pick any one of these and defend it

And folks like Delet won't even address this... I mean at least Chunky would explain how it's the Jews' fault and that we're all just a bunch of Zionist dupes or shills But folks like Delet just conveniently dodge this Neo-Nazi shit...

The accusations of dog-whistling to bigots are spot on http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/57accd1b1700002600c72a5b.png That fucking Star of David? Nobody can be that oblivious over and over like "whoops, accidentally tweeted some Neo-Nazi shit again...happens to the best of us"

It's just bald-faced white nationalism...I mean, imagine if white Christians were causing trouble (which they are...) and some parallel-universe Trump said we should make a database of white Christians and ban them from the country...would these people be down with that? Of course not, because it wouldn't benefit them anymore...these people are the intellectual sewage runoff of the world...they're the ones that want to keep school bullying legal, and hey my right to have any AK-47 I want trumps your right to not live in a fucking shithole surrounded by 'stand your ground' fucking assholes... It's "why of COURSE we're not white supremacists" with a wink and a nod

Those people would elect a Hustler magazine wrapped in a Harley Davidson jacket if they could

Delet, how do you feel about Trump not renting to black people? about his pre-campaign statements that black people are just inherently lazy and destructive? About his literally praising Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-Un, Putin? About saying "I love war"? About how many of his proposed policies would, you know, violate the fucking Geneva Convention? (yeah, let's kill the family members of terrorists to lower their morale!) Databases of Muslims? This guy is a fucking fascist monster...and I don't mean 'fascist' like "my mom makes me clean my room, what a fascist" I mean literally a fascist ideology, openly advocating for war crimes and violence against protesters and really just the scummiest shit... AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW THE MEDIA IS HURTING HIS FUCKING FEELINGS??? Jesus dude, that is just sad

He didn't charge me, and it wasn't really a formal lesson.

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My neighbor has paranoid schizophrenia and he often wants to talk (I'm usually happy to talk to him indefinitely) but last time I was late and in a hurry and he blocked me from leaving until he was done talking...and lately he's been using the n-word in a very hateful way (he's from Sudan, so it's kinda strange) and very very loudly... He had previously thrown his TV out because it was talking about him...but then he told me the radio was talking about ME...which scared me because it means his delusions are starting to involve me...which is bad because he already thinks the Democrats killed his family, and things could potentially go badly if he injects me into that narrative...

Dude, I live 1.5 blocks from where Lenny Breau lived (in Portland, ME)...I took a lesson from one of his old students a few months ago and got to listen to him tell Lenny stories for 4 hours...

Jill Stein is an anti-science quack And Gary Johnson is the sort of rigid, blinders-on libertarian that supports private prisons despite the obvious hazards because hey, the free market is always good, regardless of the actual consequences...he is the embodiment of dogmatism, and a great cautionary tale for anyone thinking of dabbling with economic libertarianism (or any no-compromise ideology)

Jill "energy crystals cure AIDS" Stein* *not really, but pretty damn close

Oh p.s. I love John Fahey and that whole country-blues lineage...Mississippi John Hurt is one of my favorite musicians of all time... A couple months ago I found an old 60's Mel Bay book of country-blues tunes/tabs...really just some of the most hauntingly beautiful music I've ever heard... John Hurt can somehow turn simple open chords (major chord, no less) into the most tormented and plaintive sounds a guitar can make...I know that's eye-rollingly cliche, but goddamn...I've been fiddling with a solo-guitar arrangement of "Nobody Cares For Me" for the last couple months, and it still hits me in the gut every time I hear it

Well the thing is...I don't necessarily like their (Kock, Gatton) music...but I think there is a lot to be learned about their approach to the guitar... Danny Gatton especially is a poet and a wizard on the ol' tele...just the attitude of using volume knobs or pickup toggle switch for musical purposes is inspiring... Anyway, I kinda think (most) jazz guitarists are the most insular musicians on the planet...like, the ones who can actually play over changes all sound like they refuse to listen to any music made after 1960...and the ones who do cool shit (e.g. Marc Ribot, Nels Cline) can't actually play over changes...and I think it has to do with the concept of "moral purity" (like, for the same reason someone might be icked out by GMO foods or getting a tattoo or swearing in public...is the same reason they won't draw from sources outside of jazz...) Anyways, there only seems to be a small handful of exceptions to this...

Thx, m8