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    Losing the 'one' in tracks and knowing it

    in Music Discussion

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    35 minutes ago, brian trageskin said:

    i hear the first bass note as 1.

    the syncopation in the bassline got me confused for a bit, i had to slow down the audio to figure out how long the loop is. turns out it's 6 measures in 4/4

    heck really.. agreed re the 6 bars of 4/4. Tried shifting the track against the metronome, can't hear it any other way, it's too late now

    bpm is 108.92

    that chord progression tho

     

    Dopplereffekt - Isotropy.mp3

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    Losing the 'one' in tracks and knowing it

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    4 hours ago, Zephyr_Nova said:

    I don't think I ever hear this Meshuggah track correctly.  Brain always puts the snares on 1 2 3 4, putting all the cymbals and vocals on the off beat.  Sounds cool, but I don't think that's the groove the band intended (I think the cymbals are meant to be on the 1 2 3 4 as well as the vox, but my brain refuses to put it there because of how I interpret the intro riff):

     

    I checked it out, tempo is 110bpm (or 220bpm, whichever suits. I prefer 110).

    Song starts on the one. Haake's then enters with cheeky hi-hats in the offbeats like

    image.thumb.png.143e914f2c4b3328aadbd6faf3344cd4.png

    The bit that starts at 0:32 has bass drum and snare drum like this:

    image.thumb.png.d65e4061864803646c5ce1d914c1bfea.png

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    Losing the 'one' in tracks and knowing it

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    11 minutes ago, auxien said:

    i can't figure out if the snares are on the & (1&2&3&4&) or on the 1. that bit between ~0:50-1:00 where's it's a pretty straightforward thrash might be key to figuring it out but i'm not smart enough

    Have only heard this once just now - in that bit you mentioned the SD is on the numbers aka the onbeats.

    Usually they put a crash on the 1 when they change from e.g., the verse to a chorus, that's what helped here.

    Another similar SD fuckery from them happens in Demiurge, where the snare is on 1 and 3 (not the 2 and 4 as usual).

    You ARE smart.

    How rhythm functions

    in EKT General Discussion

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    On 9/4/2021 at 7:15 AM, vkxwz said:

    After doing some pretty simple/shit composition for a few years now i've become very interested in how rhythm in music actually functions, ie why things sound the way they do, create the emotion they do, just from the structure of the rhythm. I have found very little information on this online, almost nothing beyond notation and some very simple stuff that isn't really explanatory.

    Seems like almost everyone can come up with some decent sounding rhythms by following their intuition for what feels right, but I suspect most of this is similar to what GPT3 does, and you are just extending the track by predicting what should come next, and that prediction comes from all the music you have heard before, which to me sounds very limiting and uncreative in a way.

    From what i've gathered the stuff thats important is: hearing one bar relative to the previous, expectation, the "shape" of the music around the consistent time intervals and how that changes over time. obviously this is all stuff that you dont need to understand why it works for it to work.

    Does anyone:
    A) know of any good resources for learning about this
    B) have any theories of your own that you'd like to share

    Sounds like you may want to look into Music Perception and Cognition. There's tons of academic articles and books to read; based on words you used in your post (e.g., emotion, expectation), some relevant MP&C topics are:

    - auditory grouping / stream segregation

    - expectation in musical listening

    - perception of temporal patterns (in infancy, in adulthood etc)

    - emotional experience of music

    I could be well wrong, but from what I gather, unfortunately a large number of studies in this field are heavily based on/influenced by western classical music.

    Worth mentioning is that one of the key texts in auditory grouping by Bregman ("Auditory Scene Analysis") is accompanied by audio examples; SND used one audio example as their opener for their FACT mag mix:

    https://www.mixesdb.com/w/2011-08-19_-_snd_-_FACT_Mix_276

     

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    Autechre production methods speculation

    in Autechre

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    ^^ hmm, not sure what's going on here. Ae weren't lined up to perform in that festival. There was a "Gescom DJs" entry in the line up, in the early hours of Sunday, where essentially it was RB mixing records for a couple of hours or so; at some point both SB and RB were on stage with laptops and it sounded (to me at least) as if they were jamming some of their tracks.

    That setup with the analog TV monitor is what Team Doyobi were using, I'm quite sure.

    https://drownedinsound.com/news/6162-atp-2003-sold-out-and-lineup-confirmed

     

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    Forum Discussion/Issues

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    1 hour ago, ignatius said:

    had 10+ email notifications of various WATMM threads today for some reason. i think i have every email notification turned off so not sure why this happened. 

    same, got about 5 emails asking me to verify my email address, all ended up in the spam folder. Emailed Joyrex as it looked like some bug triggered by an update, or an ATTACK

    Bernard Parmegiani

    in Music Discussion

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    ^^ Same, just checking discogs. I hadn't heard the track by Jeff Mills (I know the one by Parmegiani only), could it be that some upload algorithm mistakenly/deliberately uploaded it with the wrong metadata?

    FM Synthesis (techniques, anecdotes)

    in EKT General Discussion

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    I think those SND chords - at least in the Atavism track you quoted - are more about them being 7ths and 9ths (or higher intervals), and also their shape like inverted or something, that gives them this distinct timbre, rather than relying on some specific FM algorithm or ratio to produce the partials. I hope I'm making sense here

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