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    HAPPY NEW YEAR

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    As the hour approaches, I'll darken the room and pull all the curtains tight, fish a razorblade from the cupboard and queue up Steinvord. As 23:59 passes into 00:00 I will jizz myself and slit my wrist in perfect sync with *that* bit from Maelstrom. Thus I will summon the antichrist

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    Your pointless thoughts & observations

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    I've always lived by the smell test - I'll happily keep, and eat, things well past their sell-by date as long as they smell/taste/look alright. Cheese? Cut the mouldy bit out, the rest is fine you wuss. Pasta? Don't be dumb, pasta never goes off. But today I met my match. Natural yoghurt. It smells and tastes sour anyway. 

    I've done a couple of really weird shits this morn

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    Sacha Baron Cohen on the state of society

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    On 12/3/2019 at 2:37 AM, Zeffolia said:

    I say all advertisement is made illegal and billboards and bus station posters are used to give educational PSAs

    If people want information about products they can consult advertisement-oriented media rather than having it mixed in with everything else.  this will require ending "free" content but it will make us better off since the positive economic effects of throwing off the chains of mass corporate brainwashing will eclipse the economic losses of having to actually pay for news and social media services

    unrequested advertisement should be considered a form of vandalism of the commons

    It's interesting to think that, the whole underpinning of our system of economic liberalism is that open market activity is a maximization of free choice. But IMO, free choice as a concept can become a bit shaky in our modern context where several generations have been born and raised in an environment that is saturated with broad spectrum marketing. Are your choices really your own when advertising has influenced your very upbringing? (I assume I've pinched that line of thought from Adam Curtis somewhere)

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    Climate Emails Stoke Debate

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    8 hours ago, goDel said:

    I don't disagree. But just to clarify, the whole thing about "normal" was to point to it being arbitrary. It's "our" normal. Or just call it vapid. 

    Things are changing. And we might have triggered some of it. Either triggered, or just added to it. (To me, triggering and causing are two very different things, btw. Eg. A person might trigger a snowslide, but think away that person and that snowslide might still happen. The conditions for it to happen were already there. The person did not single handedly cause the snowslide as the snow and the risk for a snowslide were already there.) But even if that is the case, the idea that we can return to a stable situation again is wishful thinking at best, imo. Were not at the point of controlling climate. Influencing at best. And mostly without a clue of where it would be going. Were just guessing at this point.

    So yeah. Learn to adapt. And try to better our ways to not fuck it up even more. Things are already put in motion. And there are far too many feedback loops in the system to turn things around in the short term. With plenty parts of the puzzle outside our immediate control. 

    Really don't get how that's your takeaway. We've not triggered or added to anything, we're directly causing warming, totally overriding natural forcings which presently would actually be causing a very slight cooling. We're swinging atmospheric chemistry around to a level hundreds of times more extreme than anything that's happened naturally since that big space rock fucked the dinosaurs

     

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    Climate Emails Stoke Debate

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    On 5/28/2019 at 6:12 AM, goDel said:

    so, if change in climate is a given, stability is the anomaly. our current hockeystick might not be as unique as assumed.

    It's pretty unique from the last several tens of millions of years, at least. Historic atmospheric carbon levels (i.e. CO2+CH4) can be gleaned from lots of different sources in the sedimentary record (shoutout to forams), and you can map out historic fluctuations (inputs or drawdowns of biogenic carbon) using the 13/12C ratios.

    You can, crudely, convert this type of data into estimates for the actual CO2 atmospheric ppm, but for our purposes of survivability what is far more important is the rate of change. A high rate of change means a big "spike" or excursion in the 13/12C ratio. There aren't any 13C excursions that stick out against the glacial/interglacial cyclic background, until you get back to the Eocene ~50Ma. 

    These tie in with the "hyperthermal" events of the Paleocene and Eocene, the most famous of which is the PETM - these are our best proxies for our current ill-advised atmospheric experiment. They were probably (but not conclusively) caused by magmatic activity in the newly opened north Atlantic, vapourising coal and hydrocarbon deposits.

    From the sedimentary record you can see that these correlate with temperature spikes of 5C upwards, rapid onset of a monsoon style hothouse climate across much of the world (mixed in with increased aridity in a few spots e.g. arabia, western-interior north america, central europe), more forest fires, major dieoffs of marine organisms, poleward jumps in ecosystems, and erosion of shallow carbonate deposits (probably caused by shoaling of the lysocline, caused by higher CO2 and also releasing more CO2, lovely feedback). Another odd one is increased insect damage to plants, which can be seen in the fossil record. Possible cause is reduced nutrient content of plant matter in higher CO2 environment (known experimentally). The various negative feedbacks did their work gradually over hundreds of thousands of years following the events.

    So, if we were to undergo another hyperthermal today, that's the kind of thing we should expect - with the added complication that we also have ice caps (which didn't exist then), so there's a bonus sea level rise factor for us.

    You can also put a rough figure on the absolute amount of organic carbon pumped into the atmosphere. The PETM was about ~2000Gt of carbon, over perhaps 20,000 years. Current human emissions are pushing 10Gt a year (this doesn't take into account the differing effects of CO2 vs CH4 of course). So we're playing out our current shenanigans at hundreds of times the speed of the only remotely comparable event in recent Earth history.

     

    PS any discussion of what is or isn't "normal" is vapid - what matters, surely, is whether it's survivable or adaptable, and are we causing it?

    Plaid - Polymer

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    Just listened through for first time, agree it gradually gets better. A very "synthetic" feel, far removed from their more recent luvvy dubby albums with overt uplifting melodies, but nothing like the Spokes, Greedy Baby era that was colder but still very "organic"

     

    or something

    Halleluwah Orbus (an Orbus Terrarum era listening club)

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    Thomas Fehlmann's introduction into the group really helped bring in the influence of the techno/trance scene in Berlin that had been blossoming there since '90/'91. He was a producer/close associate/co-writer in Sun Electric at the time, who helped produce Orb's "little album", Pomme Fritz.  

     

     

    "Waitati Post" is a highlight from one of the best/most overlooked "techno" albums of the 90s -- Present.  This album bridged some of their earlier more tranced out experiments with more of the free jazzy feel of their later work.  A crossroads of everything I love by them; and a clear influence on one of my favorite eras of the Orb.  You can hear some of the kookiness that appeared on Pomme Fritz, as well as some of the more driving sounds of Thomas Fehlmann's solo work.  

     

    If you are not familiar with the work of Tom Thiel and Max Loderbauer (Sun Electric),  it is time to remedy that now. 

    Present is a lovely album, I find most SE (and possibly most Fehlmann-heavy stuff?) quite lacking in the melody department but Present is their best in that sense.

     

    Looking forward to hearing that extra FFWD track later!

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