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There it is. The Pitchforks have spoken: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21950-elseq-1-5/
imo "elseq" does not definitely sound like jams. this review is only echoing what lots of people on here have been taking for granted, that this release is autechre jamming or improvising or running software that's being controlled in real-time. it's certainly possible that this is true, or that at least some of the tracks employ such methods. but imo there is nothing about this music that is just so obviously "jams" like pitchfork and some peeps on this forum are suggesting and if it wasn't for the fact that sean has talked a lot about computers and spitting out albums in real time i'mnot sure what it is about this release that's justscreaming "this is just some edited jams by the electronica duo the 'chre."
fact is we have no real idea about autechre's compositional processes. and this seems like a fairly deliberately contrived mystery on their part; for all their willingness to discuss software stuff or how they make albums by pressing record and jamming away, they also seem to walk back many of these claims and insist tracks are made meticulously note by note or sean will get pissed and tell people they don't know what they're talking about when they employ the term "generative." personally, i don't think they're being mysterious to construct some cool idm identity, i just think they're artists who don't wish to be pinned down by cheap shop talk in lame interviews.
anyway, this pitchfork review is, unsurisingly, shit. there's no way some reviewer sat down, listened to 4 hours of autechre and just came to the conclusion that these are jams. the reviewer probably played elseq on his computer while browsing the internet to find things to write in his assignment and came up with "it's long" and "it's jams."
love this bit: "the Brown and Booths violent squelches."
(...) Progressions rather slow and not that abrupt as on their previous releases. (...)
this applies to pretty much their whole output up to untilted, tho. even on exai the average number of distinct "parts" per track was 2~3 max... meandering tracks with shitloads of microvariation is pretty much what autechre is (with obvious exceptions). this release is not particularly jammy imo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwmkn0b34NU
this is so tits but just a tad too expensive for me to fall for: http://data-discs.com/products/superhangon
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gesualdo is proper sick yo, specially 5th and 6th books of madrigals! dude is like the varg virkernes of mannerism, killed his wife n shit...
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[youtubehd]Mw8XE3j_c0U[/youtubehd]
here's the same tune sung by the monks of simonos petra monastery, awesome version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuF-LS51fSY
paid visit there as part of pilgrimage on the holy mountain last year, magical place!
this one was probably the coolest to stay tho (iviron):
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it seems to me like as a professional he's making a bit of a crusade out of a pet peeve. his nostromo stuff sounds very cool!
personally i don't get it either but my eardums are covered in callus anyway from a wasted youth of metal and noise musics... 95% i can't tell mp3 from lossless. i just bought the 24 bits because i can. anyway elseq sounds perfect to me. like it's really jumping out the speakers, 3 fucking D. listening to exai is like looking through a window in comparison.
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I saw Stephan Mathieu rate this release with a 2 star out of 5 on discogs, 4 for the stuff and minus 2 coz of "the joke that is 24-bit version". Wonder what he meant (i prefer listening to 128 mp3 since it was my peak days habit and i never move on)
considering he sells his own stuff in 24 bit as well it's probably not about the "humans can't tell difference anyway" thing. anyhow i don't quite get the point, it's like "wagner yeah, 5 points for the music, -3 because he's an antisemite."
Your example isn't really comparable, discogs is the place for finding out about cut quality as much as about music. Sure there could be a Holocaust music lovers site, where they rate nazi loyalty level. Needless to say, rating habits are differ, some are giving 1-stars to the best stuff and don't give much of a fuck, at least Mathieu left a note.
So what's wrong with 24-bit version then? Any non-humans?
I also guess he's point that selling 24 bit files more expensive than 16 bit is trickery.
that was my assumption, that he's rating the artist's "greediness" instead of the product, hence the classic (pun semi-intended) example of an influental albeit asshole music person...
ANYWAY
let's return to wanking over elseq! enjoying eastre as i type... it's certainly more of a "stage" than a "scene" track, but it's mix of both which makes this release so epic.
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I saw Stephan Mathieu rate this release with a 2 star out of 5 on discogs, 4 for the stuff and minus 2 coz of "the joke that is 24-bit version". Wonder what he meant (i prefer listening to 128 mp3 since it was my peak days habit and i never move on)
considering he sells his own stuff in 24 bit as well it's probably not about the "humans can't tell difference anyway" thing. anyhow i don't quite get the point, it's like "wagner yeah, 5 points for the music, -3 because he's an antisemite."
Your example isn't really comparable, discogs is the place for finding out about cut quality as much as about music.
oh, i wasn't fully aware of that, but makes sense since it's also a marketplace. i apologize, was an insensitive analogy to begin with.
"4 stars but my dog's not feeling the 24 bits: -2"
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I saw Stephan Mathieu rate this release with a 2 star out of 5 on discogs, 4 for the stuff and minus 2 coz of "the joke that is 24-bit version". Wonder what he meant (i prefer listening to 128 mp3 since it was my peak days habit and i never move on)
considering he sells his own stuff in 24 bit as well it's probably not about the "humans can't tell difference anyway" thing. anyhow i don't quite get the point, it's like "wagner yeah, 5 points for the music, -3 because he's an antisemite."
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maybe they didn't release it on vinyl cause they didn't thnk it was good enough?just needed the cash?I take it all back, just got to the end of 13x0 step and it's making sense now lush vibez
you haven't even finished listening to part one and already complain about this release being throwaway material? what gives man?
anyway, yeah 13x0 is just so good. eclectic, in the best possible way. that melody from 3:30 onward is still killing me, i can't remember having such feels from ae since late 90s.
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but to suggest that physical releases are "antithetical" to the autechre project is utterly ridiculous.
yeah well, i said leaving the physical format behind fits their modus operandi imo but it's not the same as claiming the opposite, that would be obviously wrong as you pointed out (i actually had to think about the surface noise thing, too). it's not like music downloads are 2016+, so they could have switched long ago. anyway i wouldn't be suprised if they settled down with dls for a while. see quaristice release related quote etc... i just think it's silly to question the "properness" of this release based on the fact it's not wrapped in paper or shit. you pay for the music.
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I love defensive Ae fans get when someone turns round and says actually some of these tracks are a bit wank...
example: TBM2 6 mins beat not going anywhere?
you sure theyre not trolling?
it goes from eastre to mesh. it's comparatively sparse alright but that's quite the opposite of wanky innit. anyway i think it has its place on this rec... alb... thingy.
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oh i hope i'm not late to a party shitting on vinyl/physical format requirement cunts?
not having a physical format for autechre is really the most natural thing for them to do, it's exactly the same thing as them turning off all the lights on their live shows. it's a pointless superficiality they never needed but had to include due to being on a label with its own requirements..
and fuck that "not buying digital files" thing too, you're not buying anything, you can literally get the links to download this album for free in the first few google pages with the "autechre elseq" search string. you're just paying them money for their effort. why the fucking need to own some piece of mass produced plastic? jesus i hate you fucking twats.
rude but word. petty traditionalists.
edit: mixing drug with music experience is (potentially) cool but not mandatory. end of discussion.
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embrace it.
yeh, let's do. didn't they already state concerning past records the flac was the actual release? i think it's a cool statement fitting what they always were about: the music, exclusively. like playing live in complete darkness. not that i wouldn't enjoy a well made artwork like the next man but tbh usually i just shelf the vinyl indefinitely and listen to them 24-bits instead (yeah, i'm an idiot) anyway.
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Not even fucking around.. this shit is easily my favorite Ae release in many years.
like srsly. untilted, quaristice, oversteps, exai ... i really, REALLY like (and in parts love) those records and yet THIS fucker just downright shits on em and from quite the altitude! it's like a best-of, only everything is new D: ... still reluctant to rate it in relation to their whole discography, but damn. DAMN!
also inb4 everyone getting the masterpiece that is mesh. best of the 20min+s atm.
(fanboisting)... works great as one journey imo.
elseq 1-5
in Autechre
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on tracks like feed1, c7, eastre, TBM and pendulu c mayyybe... the rest? don't think so, no way in hell. i mean c'mon 13x0 is a fucking opera in itself...