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    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    10 hours ago, vkxwz said:

    Can you elaborate on this? And also how is this situation different from humans copying another artists style, and why are those differences such a big problem?

    auxien and Satans Little Helper (great handle) have already provided some important points, and let's not discount dcom's terrific primer right above ^. I'm not nearly law- or tech-savvy enough for this topic, but a big mistake that a lot of people are doing right now is applying human qualities like "understanding" or "inspiration" to AI. It's a black-box dependent on input conditions, and right now a big chunk of that input is copyrighted material. It cannot judge whether a specific output is copyright-intrusive or distinct enough. The input conditions are manipulated via prompts, the output is also (somewhat) predictively influenced based on input prompts that directly reference copyright-protected works. This essentially means that in some way, the dataset is accessible in this process. 

    A JPEG of a copyrighted work is already a data-string converted into RGB pixels at the output, is AI image generation functionally different?

    AI companies are banking heavily on the nonprofit angle for whatever reasons, but they do have corporate sponsorship. Through tactics like this they are (most likely deliberately) obfuscating the inherent copyright issues. Courts are already running into those issues, with a recent response being an AI piece cannot be copyrighted. This is a super-weird situation, as we all know generative music is most certainly copyrightable even though the human-machine interaction is similar to AI image generation. But generative music does not include input of vast archives of recorded music. I would venture to say an AI production cannot be copyrighted if it is trained on copyrighted material, but nobody knows where we'll end up with that.  

    6 hours ago, Satans Little Helper said:

    Namely, that on a certain level there isn't much difference between an AI copying and a human copying. Some might argue the understanding part is what signifies the difference. But IMO, much of what people think or do are based on an unconscious layer. And there's only a small % of our neural activity that we are aware of. In this sense, there's not much between the two.

    This is a potent argument but it's also on a philosophical level that is way beyond the scope of the immediate issue. At that point we're comparing machine data entry with human biological sense-input. You don't just shove the data-string of a JPEG up your butt. I'd argue that a human has near-infinitely many more variables in play (visual input is a relatively small part of visual processing), and importantly tends to know when they are copying. An AI is not subject to optical illusions, color constancy, sensitive to depth perception & anisotropy, etc etc. When I'm drawing from a reference, I can barely even remember what it's like as soon as I'm not looking directly at it. It's constantly being processed and influenced by ideas and memories, as well as my specific body's motor skills/tendencies. 

    The AI itself isn't really the issue, what's happening that's causing grief is that people are deliberately abusing the fact that datasets contain famous artists and their platforms. And they're being real dicks about it. 

    Another reaction is that this thing is happening. Not sure how optimistic I'll be about it though. Much of our modern vernacular stems from jobs and skills that don't exist anymore.

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    Divorce

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    Wait. Why the living fuck would you want to "win" her back at this point, considering the way she's been handling this so far? Women let go mentally loong before they do anything concrete to break up a relationship. She feels nothing and does nothing to ease your part in the situation. Nobody's "letting" you do this Lifetime simp crap because your mind is racing and you're coming up with all the wrong ideas. If anything, please allow yourself some self-respect in this mess, it will help your healing. 

    +1 on zazen's advice to run in the opposite direction, stay away and work from a public library if that's what it takes. It helps,

    I've done many agonizing mistakes in previous breakups, top one was keeping the log-in cookie to an ex's Facebook account so I could see everybody she was dating & screwing over Messenger. I did not start to heal before I deleted all that and threw our "deep shared spiritual connection" to the winds. It gets better than that, way better. 

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    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    13 hours ago, o00o said:

    They don’t get that these tools are not pulling current images from artstation and that the images are generated from scratch by understanding the image itself not by cutting and pasting their stuff 

    The AI doesn't understand jack shit. "Training on" versus copying is just elaborate semantics. 

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    13 hours ago, Summon Dot E X E said:

      "Let's stop this new technology from unfolding" is something which has never worked, and which will never work.

    But legislation and content control hasn't? People still pirate movies but Netflix and Spotify are doing well. The idea is not to stop AI art outright but control the dataset entries and allow creators to opt out from them. Right now it's a shady grey area of "fair use" that isn't being adressed.

    13 hours ago, Summon Dot E X E said:

    So all that's left will be... people who do it for sheer joy, rather than commercial success? Sounds like the new human-made music will be much more interesting, overall. Right now we have most artists iterating the same clichés into the ground for a buck, and then even deeper into oblivion. The subcultures associated with different musical genres are also all pretty bizarre. Like little cults.

    This is the lousiest argument I've ever seen. Many artists might dream of commercial success (and the financial security it brings) but the vast, vast majority would be more than overjoyed by simply being able to keep a reliable income equivalent to any regular job. Until we have our UBI conveyor belt utopia, you can't subsist on the sheer joy of an economically worthless craft, and being forced to seek other ways to make a living will always deprive the quality and possible time alottment of that craft. Sacrificing other pathways to devote yourself to a craft will then permanently be a lose-lose situation that automatically entails a lower quality of life, lower long-term health & a lower level of education. Shoulda just studied economics instead of learning to paint or sing. The very reason artists are reiterating all these clichés to scrape a living is because the whole spectrum of art is being undervalued - this is compounding that direction.

    13 hours ago, Summon Dot E X E said:

    The industry I hope is most disrupted by this is Hollywood. Imagine if average people are able to generate movies tailored to their precise specifications, and start to prefer those to the entertainment shoved in everyone's faces by TPTB. It would be pretty computationally expensive with current technology, but if this tech singularity continues to accelerate I could see it happening.

    Bigwigs like Hollywood will likely abuse it to cheat creators out of their livelihoods, not the other way around. We're already seeing this happen with studios laying off major chunks of their art dept. 

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    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    Posted · Edited by chim

    The Artstation (and Deviantart) feed is currently going all Butlerian Jihad on the AI issue: https://www.artstation.com/?sort_by=trending. For future generations browsing this in the toxic hellscape of tomorrow, the feed is being flooded with uploads of this image, by pros and laymen alike:

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    I'm conflicted as I dig the tech and procedural/generative nature of this stuff, and have had quite a bit of fun with the novelty of the image generators, but current models are encroaching way too much on artists with the nondiscriminatory webcrawling. Lots of AI users are utterly spiteful against the same artists whose images they're leeching off of in their datasets & prompts, hoping to put them out of business. That's also looking like a real possibility with companies and clients relying more and more on AI for images. 

    The AI image generators might not be all the way there at the moment (the hands thing is pretty ubiquitous), but it's robably only a matter of time before it'll get close to indistinguishable from actual artists' works. Riffusion is harmless fun as it is now but we might very well reach a point when you can endlessly generate further music tracks of an artist based on their entire discography, their entire genre, and choose any famous vocalist you want to sing vocals on it. Even in a fairly simplistic state, it would likely kill most of the library/production music industry and the hope of making a living in a business that's already very tough. 

    So yeah, nice things, can't have them. 

    Divorce

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    Sad to hear and it's a little unfortunate that it's unusual in your immediate circle, because it's absolutely not. No real personal experience of divorce (I'm actively avoiding the institution of marriage), I've had my share of trials & upheavals but almost every relative and everybody I work with who has married is a divorcee, lots of messy situations with kids involved, two are widows whose husbands killed themselves. People get by fine with time and take the experience for what it is, but it's a slow process. Nobody can control this stuff and if it isn't working out it isn't meant to be. I don't know any stable person who started looking for another relationship immediately, those who did ended up worse off the first period. Can't really offer much else except try not to think of the "s'posed to"s and recover on your own terms, whatever that means. Keeping busy & active is usually a good idea, especially regarding your health issues you describe. Could be an opportunity to care for your health on several level, maybe spiritually, or start something you've been meaning to. You sound like a very considerate and sympathetic person but there is sadly not much reward for that in this world, so be careful. Best of luck brother! 

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    Riffusion - Music Made From AI Stable Diffusion

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    9 hours ago, logakght said:

    Can someone try black metal IDM?

    I tried all evening, with various followup prompts to try and nudge it, but all I got was BOCCY variations on some grunge guitar riffs and rock drums. The dataset is fairly limited to a low-mid tempo, and not a lot of material from black metal or blast beasts. I'm pretty sure they put various constraints to keep the tempo and keys similar across variations. 

    Riffusion - Music Made From AI Stable Diffusion

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     This is freaking RIDICULOUS. Some highlights of Experimental electronic noir waltz, into avantgarde atonal string quartet, into rhythmic bucket clattering. The thing just does an effortless DJ set for you. Very inspiring! (my post formatting is super messy) 

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    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    On 12/12/2022 at 2:08 PM, auxien said:

    thanks for explaining! i assumed it was still attached/pulling info from to the internet. i see what you're saying about the impressive aspects tho, i have seen some hints of that from the bits of it i've seen shared. but of course, lots of that info could be skewed/incorrect....see the following showing some of the mistakes and the tendency to double down on mistakes: https://mathstodon.xyz/@neilbickford/109499711620779615

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    This is hilarious. 

     

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    Tunes, jams & noodles

    in Your Latest Creations

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    On 11/28/2022 at 7:01 PM, End Quote said:

    Bell Workout
    Thoughts While Listening :

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    START - 0:17 -> oh I very much like this stutter sound
    0:20 - 0:34 -> that's a nice way of bringing in the beat
    0:45 - 1:10 -> ah, this is why it is called Bell workout ? Very nice detuned sound
    1:11 - 1:44 -> nice bassline, the track seems to be progressing quite well
    1:45 - 2:09 -> I like the subtle changes to the bass melody here
    2:20 - 3:11 -> the delayed plucks I hear sound extremely nice, they mix well with the vibe the bass brings.
    3:50 - 4:00-> the snare/perc with some attack I hear sounds nice, I wish I would have heard it earlier in the track as a 'teaser' for this part
    4:20 - END -> testing out some new melodies/drum patterns here? They sound nice ; I like the final pluck

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    This was a very enjoyable track. There was a decent deal of progression in the track, which is always a good thing. There were clear sections to the track (e.g., the initial play with the stutter sound, followed by the bell sounds, followed by the bass introduction, etc.) which were all 'connected' in a nice way. The track doesn't incline on trying to be too complex, but achieves a similar feel by keeping a simple practice of elements (if that makes any sense.) Each element of the track has its purpose and they appear clear in the 'melodic' spectrum.

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    If we could turn our attention to mixing, I think this track lacks a little. Each element clearly wants to sit in its own position in the frequency spectrum, but they all seem to overlap in some areas (I should mention I'm listening on some crappy headphones.) Of course if this is just an 'exercise' track, then this comment can be ignored (i.e., it hasn't reached the mixing/mastering stage.) I really really wanted this track to experiment with some FXs (especially delays) on the melodies and bassline. I can hear an improvement in in section-to-section transitions by adding delays, and bringing their wetness from 0 to whatever number sounds good, on the bassline. Going back on mixing, try maybe panning a few things, giving us a clearer space to hear everything! Also, what I would do personally is to increase the Delay/Release on many of the instruments to find a different feel in the track somewhere in the middle. The drums are fine but I think they could experiment a little more in the 'off-beat'. I usually align my kick patterns with the bassline and hi-hats with the other melodies.

     

    Thanks for the sincere listen. Personally feel it's kinda meh, but it was my first track done with the Digitakt, a device which I didn't really connect with. 

    Developing A "Sound" on the Album/Body Of Work Level

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    15 hours ago, Golden Rolli said:

    Would you elaborate on this?

    What I mean is that it's easier to keep things under the same spiritual umbrella if they're all made fairly close to eachother within a specific time period. That's my experience anyway, it comes naturally. Conversely, it's harder to go back after a year or longer and conjure up the same thought processes, methods and moods that inspired the earlier stuff. If that means doing a Project 168 type of thing with a super-tight deadline or just continually making a bunch of stuff and gathering it up afterwards, well that's up to the artist. 

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    Tunes, jams & noodles

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    On 11/22/2022 at 9:27 PM, willochill said:

    Love Comeback! James Brown somehow works so well as an IDM sample. I think there is something inherently funky about Autechre (and all IDM in general, especially more beat-based tunes...)

    Thank you! I agree, it's so easy to make the funk work in an IDM context, It's as if they're inextricably connected. 

    Librarization

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    Posted · Edited by chim

     Large buildings where people can work on anything they want in groups or alone by free access to any tool or equipment needed for any form of work.

    Yes please, give me that Bogger 288, I want to take it for a spin. It's free, right?

    A mall where everything is free but communal. 

    I need five dozen extra Soylent Green bags and two pallets of Skub for my sick grandmother, brother in law, 2 kids & twelve dogs. To each according to his needs, right? 

    Efficient conveyor belt based automatically routed transportation of objects between any two points. 

    This horrific conveyor belt existence really ties the natural surroundings together.

    A place designed for work, in the most free and voluntary way possible, but also optimally and without wasted work through compulsory but free education on tool usage and ability to manufacture whatever is being made.

    No sir, I don't want to work with garbage disposal or dangerous electrical work (like these damn conveyor belts breaking down all the time), I'd prefer to be the 800.000.000th Sour Haze QA tester in my particular conveyor belt Mega Block. It's an essential task! I might consider an extra side-gig as a Whiskey taster as well. Gotta be productive in our new utopia!

    Encouraging the workers to not need to buy any commodity except certain subsets of items not manufacturable by amateurs or on a small scale

    If only there was an incentive to escape the conveyor belts...

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