Guest tbio2007 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Is this any good, I am considering buying it as my first ever drum machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCONES TO DIE FOR Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 It's probably okay, but really pricey for just a drum machine with digital samples. I would get a sampling drum machine - then you can put in whatever sounds you want. Check the Akai MPC line, the Korg Electribes, the Roland SP line etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Promo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 No idea but I seriously don't know why anyone would want to buy hardware these days when vsts and software can more or less do what an instrument such as that can do plus much much more. Not to mention the extra electricity costs of running a load of hardware units. Okay I can understand its the touchy feely element etc but push come to shove whatever equipment one uses its actually for making music and not the aesthetic. Anyways totally up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCONES TO DIE FOR Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I agree, but a $600 (used) MPC-1000 can go a long way for some one who might not want to deal with the costs of a good, powerful computer if that dont' have one already, and also the cost of the soundcard, software, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Promo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Overall buying a half decent pc and sound card is definitely the soundest investment (excuse the pun) these days. I mean seriously pcs are so incredibly cheap now and the power of Ableton/Reactor etc is just mind blowing compared to yesteryear. I mean I've been fuckin' around with music since the late 90s and so I just think its amazing how easily people can make tunes these days. Definitely if I go back to the late nineties then getting a decent sampler with envelops, filters, lfos and fx would definitely have been the thing to do but now just makes little or no sense to me. But again its totally a personal decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 No idea but I seriously don't know why anyone would want to buy hardware these days when vsts and software can more or less do what an instrument such as that can do plus much much more. Not to mention the extra electricity costs of running a load of hardware units. Okay I can understand its the touchy feely element etc but push come to shove whatever equipment one uses its actually for making music and not the aesthetic. Anyways totally up to you. god Promo - you're so out of touch and like, not in. it's all about hardware now if you can afford it..... no, seriously, it is! i'm totally fucked off with VST's and mouses etc and have gone hardware myself. anyway, the DR-880 is a quality drum machine, but as promo said, is quite expensive for what it is. I just bought an Alesis Micron synth which was £257 and features the same synth engine as the Alesis Ion (basically one of the most powerful analogue modelling engines there is)..... it also features a full drum machine and on board sequencer and sounds fucking excellent. if I was gonna buy something brand new for £260 odd then I'd either get a Micron, or a Novation X-Station which both have a much larger range of sounds than a simple drum machine and can be used as one if you like. if you specifically want just a drum machine, then I'd go for a TR-606 or a TR-707 or a TR-505 (all much much cheaper than the DR-880). Failing that, go for an Electribe ER-1 or some other type of Grooveboxy thing. much more bang for your buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rook Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 First of all, vst's do not sound like the real thing. Also, hardware is in most definitely. The Tuss? Autechre? Ceephax? And hardware is way more fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vegeta897 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 its actually for making music and not the aesthetic.And to some people, making music is a hobby. A fun hobby. Using hardware is a lot more fun than software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Moss Acid Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 No idea but I seriously don't know why anyone would want to buy hardware these days when vsts and software can more or less do what an instrument such as that can do plus much much more. Not to mention the extra electricity costs of running a load of hardware units. Okay I can understand its the touchy feely element etc but push come to shove whatever equipment one uses its actually for making music and not the aesthetic. Anyways totally up to you. god Promo - you're so out of touch and like, not in. it's all about hardware now if you can afford it..... no, seriously, it is! i'm totally fucked off with VST's and mouses etc and have gone hardware myself. anyway, the DR-880 is a quality drum machine, but as promo said, is quite expensive for what it is. I just bought an Alesis Micron synth which was £257 and features the same synth engine as the Alesis Ion (basically one of the most powerful analogue modelling engines there is)..... it also features a full drum machine and on board sequencer and sounds fucking excellent. if I was gonna buy something brand new for £260 odd then I'd either get a Micron, or a Novation X-Station which both have a much larger range of sounds than a simple drum machine and can be used as one if you like. if you specifically want just a drum machine, then I'd go for a TR-606 or a TR-707 or a TR-505 (all much much cheaper than the DR-880). Failing that, go for an Electribe ER-1 or some other type of Grooveboxy thing. much more bang for your buck. tr-626 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Oh please people. Listen to some Kraftwerk, then go listen to the "Minimum/Maximum" live album. Tell me now that VSTs are just so inferior and passe, please, since that entire tour was done with Arturia plugs. I will agree that paying attention to tonal qualities and timbre is important, but not only is composition about 10,000 times more important, you're talking about drum sounds here! Jesus just sample your favorite drum machine and load it up in a computer and you'll have 50 times the control for next to nothing in cost. If you like tactile feedback then Behringer will sell you knob or slider boxes with endless LED encoders and motorized faders for practically pennies. Gear whoring for the sake of gear whoring leads to shit like Your browser does not support the HTML5 video tag This complete shit demonstration. Boy all that analogue warmth and gritty texture sure saved THAT jam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Also anyone who makes music gear choices based on what's "in" or what some other artist is doing has their head completely up their ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rockthomas Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vegeta897 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 TFTT: Nobody here said anything about following trends. Not everyone here makes music for the sake of composing wonderful perfect and superior pieces. See my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 TFTT: Nobody here said anything about following trends. Not everyone here makes music for the sake of composing wonderful perfect and superior pieces. See my post. Ahem: god Promo - you're so out of touch and like, not in. Rook then adds a list of artists who are "in" that use lots and lots of hardware. Look if you can afford it and want to then great. The point is that you don't HAVE to to get good sounding results as tons of people would have you beleive. To listen to some of the fanatics, analogue warmth would make any composition 1000% better instantly, just by virtue of its superb warmthness. Hardware controllers are cheap viable alternatives that give you all of that tactile control that's "fun" as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vegeta897 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 TFTT: Nobody here said anything about following trends. Not everyone here makes music for the sake of composing wonderful perfect and superior pieces. See my post. Ahem: god Promo - you're so out of touch and like, not in. Rook then adds a list of artists who are "in" that use lots and lots of hardware. I think your sarcasm detector is broke. I doubt 95 percent of the people here give a fuck what's "in". Look if you can afford it and want to then great. The point is that you don't HAVE to to get good sounding results as tons of people would have you beleive. To listen to some of the fanatics, analogue warmth would make any composition 1000% better instantly, just by virtue of its superb warmthness. Hardware controllers are cheap viable alternatives that give you all of that tactile control that's "fun" as well. I don't use hardware to get "good sounding results". I know software is just as good, in fact better in my case because I don't have too much hardware at the moment. But I'm not ever going to agree that having a software controller is more fun than having my 3 grooveboxes and some fx pedals all ripe for the tweaking. And the more I buy, the more fun it is. Like I said before, not everyone is all about the most efficient way to get great results. Some people like hardware. I don't understand why you need to try and compare which style is better, when there are not only differences in tastes, but people have differnet reasons for why they make music, and this affects what they need or want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 And that's my point as well, that it's absurd that people stammer on about how everyone should buy hardware because it's so superior, when in many cases and for many people it isn't. In addition, the reasons people have given for hardware (something physical in front of you etc), complete ignore the fact that with a fraction of the investment you can have all the knobs and sliders and faders you want. If you must have hardware great but don't shit over anyone who suggests software out of sight, which is what people were doing. I don't care about what you think is fun because that's really irrelevant to the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Moss Acid Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 one thing is software = mouseclicks as hardware = hands on the latter wins in my humble opinion. i think software has its perks definatly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 But, like I said, just buy some hardware controllers. For $100 you can get a Behringer box with like 38 knobs on it! they're even endless ones with LED encoders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rook Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 If I may site some words from richard himself... there's no physical quality to the instrument to define the "original" from the "fake." ha its so funny when people think they are soooo right and yet sooo wrong classic some people bought the analogue equipment when it was unfashionable and very cheap though. some of us are over 30 you know! anyone remember when 303`s were £50? and coke was 16p a tin? crisps 5p also you have overlooked A LOT of other points because its not all about the overall frequency response of the recording system its how the sound gets there in the first place. here are some things which you can`t get from a plugin,they are often emulated but due to their hugely complex nature are always pretty crass aproximations.. the sound of analogue equpiment including EQ, changes very noticably over even a few hours due to temperature changes within a circuit. Anyone who has tried to make tracs on a few analogue synths and make them stay in tune can tell you this,you leave a trac running for a few hours come back and think Im sure I didnt fucking write that,I must be going mental! this affects all the components in a synth/EQ in an almost infinte amount of tiny ways. and the amount differs from circuit to circuit depending on the design. the interaction of different channels and their respective signals with an analogue mixer are very complex,EQ,dynamics.... any fx, analogue or digital that are plugged into it all have their own special complex characteristics and all interact with each other differently and change depending on their routing. Nobody that ive heard of has even begun to start emulating analogue mixer circuitry in software,just the aesthetics,it will come but im sure it will be a crap half hearted effort like most pretend synth plugins are. they should be called PST synths, P for pretend not virtual. Every piece of outboard gear has its own sound ,reverbs,modulation effects etc real room reverb, this in itself companies have spent decades trying to emulate and not even got close in my opinion, even the best attempts like Quantec and EMT only scratch the surface. analogue EQ is currently impossible in theory to be emulated digitally,quite intense maths shit involed in this if youre really that interested,you could look it up...good luck. your soundcard will always make things sound like its come from THAT soundcard..they ALL impose their different sound characteristics onto whatever comes out of them they are far from being totally neutral devices. all the components of a circuit like resistors and capacitors subtley differ from each other depending on their quality but even the most high quality milatary spec ones are never EXACTLY the same. no two analogue synths can ever be built exactly the same,there are tiny human/automated errors in building the circuits,tweaking the trimpots for example which is usually done manually in a lot of analogue shit. just compare the sound of 2 808 drum machines next to each other and you will see what I mean,you always thought an 808 was an 808 right? same goes for 303`s they all sound subltey different,different voltage scaling of the oscillator is usually quite noticable. VST plugins are restricted by a finite number of calculations per second these factors are WAY beyond their CURRENT capability. Then there is the question of the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is probably the biggest factor I think. for example the smell of analogue stuff as well as the look of it puts you in a certain mental state which is very different from looking at a computer screen. then there is analogue tape...ah this really could go on forever.... im quite drunk cant be bothered to type anymore... so yeah,whatever, you obviously dont have to have analogue equipment to make `good` music in case thats the impression im giving,EVERYTHING has its uses .And not all anlaogue equipment is expensive you can still get bargains like old high end military audio devices,tape machines fx etc just go for the unfashionable stuff. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 TFTT: Nobody here said anything about following trends. Not everyone here makes music for the sake of composing wonderful perfect and superior pieces. See my post. Ahem: god Promo - you're so out of touch and like, not in. Rook then adds a list of artists who are "in" that use lots and lots of hardware. Look if you can afford it and want to then great. The point is that you don't HAVE to to get good sounding results as tons of people would have you beleive. To listen to some of the fanatics, analogue warmth would make any composition 1000% better instantly, just by virtue of its superb warmthness. Hardware controllers are cheap viable alternatives that give you all of that tactile control that's "fun" as well. oh for fuck's sake i was JOKING. god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Yah Rook it's easy for the rich man to absorb gear like its water but unfortunately not all of us are independantly wealthy from our compositions. But hey, I'd love to know what piece of "hardware" other than a computer he used to put his face in Equation! You can get good results from anything, it's just silly to discount anything out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 ZOMG THE WARMTH! Synth are Oberheim ob 8, Yamaha cs 60, Korg ms 20, m5, dotcom, studio electronics midimioog, prophet 5,roland sh 5, monopoly triggers dotcom , System 100 for bass, korg emx triggers all sequencers via midi to cv , dotcom sequencers for cv for Roland sh5 and m5, sequencers rolans system 104 for system 100 and filter from ob8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rook Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 No one says that you have to have hardwares. My favorite album is Confield remember? Lots of computery thingies on there. But I am just saying that interface affects the way you write musics. What is written on hardwares is not reproducible on computeries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 lol if you don't think you can reproduce a drum machine on a computer I think you need ITT Technical Institute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rook Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 lol if you don't think you can reproduce a drum machine on a computer I think you need ITT Technical Institute. If you notice, I didn't say that. I said you cannot reproduce what is written. If you have ever worked with a large amount of hardware, you will write very different music than what you write with a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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