i want to make a poll

[Guest theSun]

dualism or materialism?

[Boxing Day]

Dualism

[AJW]

Good old platonic dualism up in this piece

[chenGOD]

there you are good sir.

[Capsaicin]

I voted dualism, but I don't know anything about either except the first few sentences on each wikipedia page

[Guest 277: 930-933]

I have difficulty believing in something that of which there is no manifestation that can not also be (better) explained by science and laws of nature.

So materialism all the way.

I am my brain and that is it.

[Boxing Day]

I Voted Dualism , But Honestly I Don't know .

 

There is no way of knowing .

 

Add a third option for Neutrals Agnostic types ..

[Capsaicin]

I don't think dualism is good and evil, maybe more like metaphysical and physical

[Guest theSun]

let's say for the sake of this thread that dualism is the belief in anything supernatural, that cannot ever be explained by science, no matter how far we progress technologically.

 

materialism is the idea that all there is is matter and energy, and all phenomena can be explained by physical processes.

 

ps: thanks chen

[Boxing Day]

let's say for the sake of this thread that dualism is the belief in anything supernatural, that cannot ever be explained by science, no matter how far we progress technologically.

 

materialism is the idea that all there is is matter and energy, and all phenomena can be explained by physical processes.

 

ps: thanks chen

 

Supernatural is a very tricky word ..

 

If it is happening .. its natural .. Just because we don't know it, doesn't mean is Unnatural or Supernatural ..

[Guest 277: 930-933]

Let's not get into semantics here.

You know what he meant.

Besides, if a certain event does not conform to the laws of nature as we know them it could be considered supernatural.

[Guest theSun]

yes please i don't want to get into a discussion on what exactly these mean or any subtleties within, such as eliminative materialism vs reductionism.

 

let's just have a gentleman's (and bitchez) agreement and get some responses for at least 3 pages (75posts) or so.

[Guest 277: 930-933]

Heh, sorry, I'm an asshole.

[Guest sine]

yes please i don't want to get into a discussion on what exactly these mean or any subtleties within, such as eliminative materialism vs reductionism.

 

let's just have a gentleman's (and bitchez) agreement and get some responses for at least 3 pages (75posts) or so.

Materialism,bitch.

[Boxing Day]

"All i know is that i know nothing "

 

Best Quote ever .. Live your life by it and you will not find yourself in the religious-non religious mindfuck

[Hoodie]

"i yam what i yam"

 

- popeye, a materialist

[Guest ezkerraldean]

my hands are sticky

[chenGOD]

Oh and materialism please.

[Guest Super lurker ultra V12]

Kantian dualism!

[Atop]

Orphic dualism!

[Guest ms-dos]

materialism is the only game in town

 

e: (except maybe some weak form of property dualism according to which conscious states aren't themselves material, but are mere epiphenomena nonetheless)

[Root5]

I still don't understand what the distinction is supposed to be between physical and non-physical things.

[Guest the anonymous forumite]

Dualism, by default. Materialists should read the knowledge argument, by Frank Jackson, and get back to me with apologies.

[Root5]

Dualism, by default. Materialists should read the knowledge argument, by Frank Jackson, and get back to me with apologies.

 

LOL! Read Knowledge Possibility and Consciousness by John Perry to see it utterly refuted.

[Hoodie]

Dualism, by default. Materialists should read the knowledge argument, by Frank Jackson, and get back to me with apologies.

 

apparently, even frank jackson admitted the flaws to his argument, according to wiki.

 

so i am thoroughly unconvinced.