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How about Mark Fell's Composing With Process PodCast?
in the upcoming second part of the first episode they will play a track by Sean Booth called Horizon
31:44 Sean Booth 'Horizon', 2004 (20 min)
'Horizon' is a generative piece composed in the BBC BASIC programming language. It was composed for the rand()% generative internet radio station in 2004 but was never broadcast. The aim of the piece was to use as little code as possible and be interesting enough to hold the attention.
Where is it?
oh yeah
basically we're exclusive to warp, but we can do stuff with mates as gescom (but we can't do solo stuff or use any other names, particularly our own names)
mark just didn't know so he put my name, and we couldn't put it out then even if he changed the name.. it was my fault for not saying
happened w/kouhei as well but that was already produced when i found out (oops)
This seems ridiculous
You're one of Warp's top acts and they can't give you a little bit of freedom?
they pay us for it, and it wasn't too important at the time we negotiated it
This still seems a bit weird to me. You can't do solo stuff under different names? It's only Gescom? I mean I understand them having rights to the "Autechre" name, maybe even having rights to all your stuff that you did together and without anyone else, but not being able to do solo stuff seems a bit ridiculous to me. idk maybe I just don't understand the music industry. Is it that if you pressed the issue they'd probably let you but you just haven't wanted to yet?
Also, the only piece of hardware I own is a cheap keyboard that I use as a MIDI controller, but please don't name him, he's insecure about that kind of thing.
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I heard a friend say that 10ish years ago you played at a venue called the Wexner Center in Columbus, Ohio. Will any shows in or near Columbus happen again? Every cool electronic act seems to be going towards Europe these days, and I can never get a chance to see them.
Related but not entirely: do you ever do house shows, and have you considered doing more?
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if you had a "Magic 8-Ball" right now, what question would you ask it, and why?
wtf are orbs?
quote of the day
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Are there any super unknown artists that you love that you could share? Some artists who you think have value but that have like <200 soundcloud followers or whatever.
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Are you going to retire these accounts after this thread and go back to being Troon and LUDD, or do you plan on posting occasionally under these aliases?
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Have the recent net genres (witch house, future bass, vaporwave, etc) caught your interest at all, and will they possibly (or have they already) affect your music? How do you feel about them? Have you ever thought about trying to do things with the artists from it, like Fatima al Qadiri or Vektroid? Or even Oneohtrix Point Never?
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damn that blank banshee track is hot. way better than any of the stuff ive heard from him before.
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I mean, I guess I think that these guys might not be "vaporwave"; music is music, genres are genres, whatever. But they are making forward, as opposed to lateral, movement with the style in my opinion, along with a few other people I've heard like Jono Mi Lo. Also, Internet Club had that release as Monument XIII that was pretty much vaporwave, and not at all like the Saint Pepsi style with catchy beats and stuff. Not that I think that other stuff is bad, I just really think that there are some people pushing the ideas forward as opposed to just making slowed down catchy stuff, which is typical of Fortune 500. But others may feel differently; perhaps the combination of Vektroid and Lopatin-era vaporwave with catchy hip hop beats in order to make it more listenable and accessible is actually bigger forward movement.
Also, when I said "hardly even vaporwave", I really just meant that very few people make what was originally considered vaporwave and even the people who I think are making it aren't really making it, at least as far as I've seen. This kind of makes sense though, because vaporwave is a pretty specific sub-genre; to keep making the same stuff could get old fast (although I would probably still like it lol).
Side note: the avatar is more inspired by Future Bass and Grime music, acts like Fatima al Qadiri. In no way do I intend it to be original, I just think it's cool. I don't even really know Future Bass music, I just like some Fade to Mind and Jam City shit.
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The various avatars of Internet Club are (is) the only ones (one) doing anything interesting with "vaporwave" anymore, and it's hardly even vaporwave at this point.
http://wakesleep.bandcamp.com/
actually this is pretty cool too:
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I know, I couldn't believe it either. I was in the chatroom about an hour before that, had to work through the actual talk unfortunately. There was this lady talking about einstein and milk and equations for things rising in fluids, it was really funny. She said that einstein got judo chopped.
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At last, I have some peace. Allofthetrash sent someone just a few of her old videos to be reuploaded in a compilation. Seeing it sort of just makes it hurt more that she's gone though.
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I'm with the iPod people. In my opinion, Apple has the best UI out of any players ever, hands down. The iPod touch is incredibly convenient, and those classic style iPods are hardy as fuck.
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SPF 420 is fun, I got to chat with XXYYXX at the last one although I missed the real show. It feels kind of like a bunch of people late to the scene thinking that they're super cool or whatever, but that kind of diminished when they started saying "we're not vaporwave, we're just trying to have fun" and admitted that it was just something fun to do. Too low quality as well, the sound is literally shit. Best set I've seen there personally is DJ Paypal's.
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I don't mind it to much, but most of the Fortune 500 and AMdiscs stuff is pretty cheesy. It's the stuff that supposedly "killed vaporwave". Saint Pepsi is nice though, stuff I can play in a room full of people and nobody will get mad at me, but I still like it.
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Compare the sourcing of muzak to that of say, the revival of 909 drums and hoover synths in dance music recently. One is supposed to be ironic and clever and the other is supposed to be purely hip and retro. Personally, the more artists seem to avoid such divisions of self-awareness, the better.
I really don't see this as being much of a problem as everyone else does. The music perfectly represents emptiness on an emotional level. I like ironic music. Like I said, I don't have to think about this music to like it, I just like it. I "get" it emotionally. In fact, I don't even love pure retro; it's fun but it really just steals whatever emotions were there before, or more accurately it creates feelings of what we remember the past was like. It's fun stuff but that's about it for me. I'd go so far as to say that I prefer my music to stray away from the nostalgic. Nostalgia is a nice thing to throw in the mix because it taps us at such a core level and can open the mind to complex emotional landscapes, but if it's nostalgia for the sake of "remember when we were young" then it does little for me. Referencing broken VHS tapes reminds me of the deterioration of technology and losing touch with the past. Groovy 303 funk lines at dance parties remind me of...groovy 303 funk lines at dance parties. Which, don't get me wrong, I like, but not on a same core level. One could argue that the "fun" stuff is important in its tongue-in-cheek lightheartedness, like watching shitty kung-fu movies because they're badass. But I still feel more strongly about the other stuff. Maybe it helps to have really lived through the era being lived to and in that case more diverse meaning is ascribed to a given work, although I feel like I've absorbed certain ideas through culture; commercial 50s music also feels empty and materialistic to me, and thus has more value. Boards of Canada is a great example of a band that injects more than just nos
Related genres don't evoke nostalgia at all, although they do have referencing. Future Bass is literally the opposite of nostalgic, using a future-as-imagined-by-the-media mixed with anything current and "badass" like energy drinks to make political/social satire and show how technology separates people (and yeah, some of it is just nice music). New vaporwave-ish stuff from people like Jono Mi Lo and E+E sounds like the future crumbling apart. And there's other stuff too. None of this is nostalgic in the slightest, unless you consider it nostalgia for current pop culture.
Nostalgia is great and all, but by itself it can be boring. I might argue that anything that makes you feel a certain way is actually making a point, even if you and the musician don't quite know what it is, which might be a point against what I just said, but w/e.
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imo vaporwave is extremely similar to Andy Warhol's art. The same semi-ironic-portrait semi-glamourization of the "lowest" art possible.
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Well my point with the
http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/virtual-information-desk-contemporary-sapporo
this is the problem. read the review. the guy doesn't seem to be able to wrap his mind around the concept that someone might actually LIKE the source material, that it isn't valueless noise. That maybe the person who compiled and remixed the samples did it out of appreciation and not just to make some political statement.
Closed-minded as hell.
---leads me to something I have to get off my chest:
I think the vast majority of people who over the past 6 years have mindlessly transitioned from listening to indie rock to listening to modern electronic music just because tastemaking websites told them to do so will never fully understand the appeal of electronic sounds. For 99% of people music outside of their little cultural context doesn't make sense unless it has some cool factor attached to it. cunts.
What if people's sincere appreciation for something was a political matter? And why should I care about the personal preferences of someone I'll never know, and why should I do the work of linking those preferences to the product at hand? Is making a political point "less" than something else? Why should it be "valueless noise" if it's political? Don't you "like" at least one politics?
That said, the actual political weight of vaporwave is pretty much 0 in my opinion.
well my comment was directed at the reviewer, who bases his interpretation of the album on the assumption (based on his own tastes) that most of the material is "so cheesy and so bad that, even when reframed, it’s cheesy and bad. Or, at the very least, forgettable and inconsequential." "This indifference to taste is flaunted throughout the album (...) to the point where this direct and, importantly, chosen confrontation with the bland becomes a large part of the sensually jarring, hyperreality-by-proxy experience that is listening to 札幌コンテンポラリー." "I mean, is this stuff a critique of capitalism? Is it a way of expressing the shortcomings of technology? Is it an attempt to reclaim the spaces in which this otherwise insufferable music is normally played?"
He brings up good points, but it doesn't occur to him that the music could actually be enjoyed for what it is.
Yeah, I think it's interesting as a personal review, but I fucking loooooooove that album. At the same time though, I think aesthetically I like it for the reasons he points out. I feel the vapidity of the music, and even though he doesn't I don't think that that means his interpretation isn't valid.
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I like the way gmanyo's last post sort of took his first post in this thread and turned it from "liked it before it was cool" into "I sincerely love this stuff".
oh yeah lol i already told that story in this thread. hey, it was an important moment for me.
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I just want to say this:
A few years back, I think 2009 or 2010 and before I'd heard any vaporwave or eccojams, I turned my television with my friend to channel 21. This channel was 100% text slideshow and shitty MIDI music. And it only had two backgrounds and about 10 songs. We sat there watching it for hours, and I told him that we had to make this shit. Somehow we had to do this (I never did, of course; I don't really do things that I plan to). For ages I was obsessed with this, and people thought that it was just as a joke somehow, but I really loved it. Sitting there as the bland screen lit up the room to songs made on one $100 Casio keyboard was an incredible experience.
When I learned about "vaporwave", I fell in love. It started with Eccojams, and then as more things came out I loved the more muzak-ey stuff. It wasn't about being some online fad, and it wasn't really political. But it was hollow in a way that nothing else manages, cold and relentless and i hit me at a time where I was already very depressed.
All I'm trying to say here is that this music isn't just a fad for me. I really do like it that much. And it wasn't one person coming up with an idea that was latched onto. It was something many people felt on a core level, something bred by culture. I was always one for examining the philosophical, postmodern edge of things, the destruction of meaning through pop and the void left by technology, but it really did hit me on an emotional level, and I really do love it. poblequadrat mentioned something about carpeted flooring and generic concourses. I love that shit to death.
Idk what my point here is really, nor do I think people are at odds with me. But fuck, I love vaporwave.
PS Nebraska, Midnight Television, the person who made the song for that video, is the same as Vektroid, and she made that album while she was homeless.edit: like when I listen to this shit, I'm not trying to like it even though I don't while thinking "This is making this sort of statement", I'm crying at the chorus because of how much I like it. Although I totally do like to think of all the pomo and political shit lol.
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This album sounds like it's trying to be super edgy and angry. With emphasis on trying. It's like he wanted to make something aggressive without actually being angry. Weird.
I agree, but at least that's more than most pop music. Maybe it'll do something good in the end.
AAA - Ask Autechre Anything - Sean and Rob on WATMM!
in Autechre
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Have you ever thought about doing a total 180 with an EP or even just a single where you some entirely different genre, or just a new style, like only recordings of acoustic instruments with live players?