Affiliate Marketing

[Kanakori]

Hey guys.

I've come across some sites that offer methods and very extensive lessons on this but you have to buy it. However I'm not sure if it's legit. I've done my research and there are alot of sites and forums backing it up (for example http://unstoppableaffiliate.org/ and http://www.rankandpillage.com/?hop=extend123 ) But it could be part of a huge scam, even though you can get your refund. If it really works, I don'thave problems to read it all and learn my ways. However I'm not SURE. It sounds to good to be true. The internet has made me to cynical and this sites have all the elements to make me turn my back on them, still my research leads me otherwise, specially after seeing reviews on warriorforum wich has been up for almost a decade. So is anyone around here familiar with this business model? Can I actually see some results with these courses? Thanks

[BobDobalina]

 

[Kanakori]

Thank you for that useful post.

[modey]

 

 

yeah pretty much

[Kanakori]

I'm a mushroom

[DerWaschbar]

There are various elements that are important that you may never have considered. Did you know for example that the size of the font you use and even the actual font can have a bearing on whether people will stay on your site and click your affiliate link?

I'm not even exactly sure what this thing is about, but this quote contrasted by the web design on both the sites you linked makes me feel as though it's rubbish.

[Guest afxtonal]

Came across some good examples of affiliate marketing used sites

http://yourvitality.info/

 

There are ways of checking how a site is performing, and which keywords are drawing traffic to them.

[Guest fiznuthian]

Those sites look super sketchy.. I'm going to say no on this one. Maybe it does actually work or something but having a "DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE FOR SUREE?" message nag me when I close the site just makes me want to punch its owner in the face.

[Kanakori]

Came across some good examples of affiliate marketing used sites

http://yourvitality.info/

www.startreversephonelookup.com

 

There are ways of checking how a site is performing, and which keywords are drawing traffic to them.

 

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[Kanakori]

Those sites look super sketchy.. I'm going to say no on this one. Maybe it does actually work or something but having a "DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE FOR SUREE?" message nag me when I close the site just makes me want to punch its owner in the face.

 

I know, that's my problem. I am aware this kind of business exists. I just want to know if I can actually make some cash with their lessons.

http://www.warriorforum.com/ This forum has been up for years. The feedback on those programs was very good and the owners are regular posters.

[Guest fiznuthian]

Hm, then perhaps there is some truth to it.

 

Seems to me they are taking advantage of people who are gullible and do not understand the Internets very well.

I doubt their target demographic are people like us who see a page designed like that, full of promises and exaggerations, and instantly remember the other 1000 sites just like it we've all randomly stumbled upon on in searches..

 

Someone like my mother would see a page like that and think "Wow, this look cool" and think nothing too critically about it. She only recently learned how to turn a computer on a few years ago.. I think there's lots of people out there like her unknowingly fueling the affiliate websites.

[Kanakori]

I know what you're talking about. Sometimes my mother types google on google. My only question is really knowing from a 100% legit source that their method is not BS.

[Ego]

It's a shady scheme to try and create websites that seem more valuable to search engines than they actually are so you can get a steady visitor stream and some ad revenue. But when Google kills the pagerank of your shitty bait site and closes your adsense account you'll be stuck with useless domains and a failed expertise. It's not a quick buck and it has no future.

 

You might as well go sell drugs or something.

[Ragnar]

I think a guy at Starbucks does this and he tends to rock back and forth in an upsetting way when he thinks/does things

[Kanakori]

It's a shady scheme to try and create websites that seem more valuable to search engines than they actually are so you can get a steady visitor stream and some ad revenue. But when Google kills the pagerank of your shitty bait site and closes your adsense account you'll be stuck with useless domains and a failed expertise. It's not a quick buck and it has no future.

 

You might as well go sell drugs or something.

 

Hum Ok. Thank you. Are you experienced on these things?

[chaosmachine]

A lot of affiliate marketing involves pushing crap like diet pills, teeth whiteners, six-pack-abs training DVDs, etc onto gullible people.

 

Not all of it, though.

 

If you can find an affiliate program for a product you actually like/use/trust, and have an audience to share it with, it's a nice way to make some money. Amazon has a good affiliate program, for example, you can make decent money recommending books, etc.

 

But, in the long run, selling your own product is a better plan than selling someone else's. Affiliates are middlemen, inefficiencies in the system, and companies like Google are constantly working to cut you out of the loop...

[jeremymacgregor87]

*too

[Kanakori]

Humm okay. I understand it is a shady scheme but they say they have alot of content ( assuming what they say is true) and an easy method to follow. Still, it's probaly BS. I just wanted to make some cash while studying in college.... Thank you for your opinion.

[Hautlle]

Just came across this article about internet scammers and it goes into Affiliate Marketing

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/10/2984893/scamworld-get-rich-quick-schemes-mutate-into-an-online-monster

 

Austin asks Leigh to grab a pen and paper so he can give her a little lesson about affiliate marketing, which he calls "the best, first way, and actually the best way, to make money online."

"I'm sorry. What, sir?" She sounds stunned.

"Affiliate marketing," Austin repeats, "is actually the number one way to make money online right now."

It’s clear he has her turned around. "OK. This is ... affiliated marketing?"

Austin describes how the program is supposed to work — hell, he says he has a client generating $12,000 a month "from e-book sales alone." And then, after Leigh expresses some confusion, he goes on to explain that e-book stands for "electronic book."

"You should be bringing in at least $1,200 per week, every week ... that's the minimum that anyone within our coaching program is doing now."

Leigh seems to relax. At one point they talk about her interest in flowers. Austin continues to pitch, but it’s obvious Leigh is still at sea when it comes to his descriptions of internet businesses.

Austin goes on to say that he is "cutting checks for at least $5,000 a week, for each client." The implication being, of course, that soon she'll be getting her own $5,000 checks.

This part sounds good, but he's talking pretty fast and with all the terminology he uses — landing pages, proven success method, earn while you learn — Leigh's obviously confused.

When asked if she has any questions, Leigh responds: "I don't have any questions, because I don't know what to ask you, you know. You'll have to tell me what I'm doing here, and how I do it."

"I'm trying to get a gauge. How long have you been trying to make money online?"

"Oh, I haven't. Like I said, I joined on your site... and that's been three months ago? And I just haven't done a thing with it... I actually tried to get out of it and, I don't know, I received your call and I thought, well, maybe I should at least talk with you, because I don't know what I'm doing at all."

"Have you even looked at the e-book that we sent you?"

"No, I don't know how."

She doesn't know how to read a PDF, she doesn't want to be an internet marketer, she doesn't understand what Austin's saying — but she needs something like this — and this makes her vulnerable.

Leigh asks how much all of this will cost.

"It's not a thing of you paying us," says Austin, reframing the question. "We want you to prove to us that you're actually willing to participate and willing to learn, and you actually invest into your marketing."

"Well, what is that going to cost me to invest?"

"That depends on your level, uh , let's — we're contracted with big names, such as Visa and Mastercard."

He is implying some sort of endorsement by these two well-known and trusted companies, when in reality all this means is that he can accept payments from either major credit card.

"So it kinda depends on your level of investment," he continues. "What we like to do here is OPM: Other People's Money. Before you actually see a bill for your credit card, you're on the way by paying that back before your 45 days is up on that credit card statement [sic] is actually coming to you. So we actually let our clients tell us what they can bring to the table and invest into their own market."

OK, so again: "What kind of money are we talking about?"

"We've got three different platforms, Leigh, that we actually bring people in on. Now, I'm going to give you a breakdown, tell me what platform you might be able to come in on, and I'll work with you to get you through this platform, or get you up to the next platform. Because what I can do is, as a senior principal here, I can go down to my financial department, and if you can bring ‘so much’ to the table I'll tell them to invest the rest into you, because you sound like someone I want to work with..."

He rambles on in this way for a while, which is calculated to put Leigh further off-balance. Then he gets around to the cost of the program, which "depends on what I can get you approved for."

In other words, the product costs whatever she can get her hands on.

In other words, he's going to bleed her only credit card dry.

"Leigh," he asks. "Do you work better with Visa or with Mastercard? Because what we're going to do is try and get you approved on some type of level and see what we can, what level I can bring you in on. OK?"

This is always the point in the sales call where people start to freak out, when strangers start asking for credit card info. And Leigh is no different.

"Well, what I have is a Visa card," she says, sounding wary.

"If you can cough up $5,000," Austin explains, "it's gonna be a return after a full year of one website, it will get you to that $70,000 that I had you give me your goals and dreams about. Because of our proven success method, we actually have to analyze each client that comes through at what level they bring in, so we can make sure that if you come in on the $5,000 level you will make this amount of money, which is the $70K a year."

"Well, to tell you the honest truth, I cannot do $5,000. I don't have any money laying around."

Eventually, he talks her into a $500 investment, and when she agrees to that he tells her he's going to "try to put you on that platform of at least $1,000." He just talked her up to a grand without her realizing it: "Now, we have to bring you in on at least $1,000. That way, it's a secure tool into your investment, and we invested more into you also. We went ahead and invested the $4,000 into your marketing."

"Do I need to pay that back to you?"

"No. What I need you to do is prove to me that you're actually gonna be a loyal [sic], a client, and willing to learn."

After this, all Brent Austin needs is for Leigh to print out a form, sign it, and fax it to him. Then she will be well on her way to earning big money as an internet guru.

The recording winds up after ten more minutes, with Brent trying to teach Leigh how to use a printer.