Guest chunky Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 btw it's no secret that america is concentrating on assassinations rather than large scale military deployments it's in all the mainstream articles from the last year or so at least also obama hinted at such in a big speech recently whats funny is they think their lies and murders can be hidden like in a movie real life is nothing like a movie, real life is more like poker where a liar has tells that give the game away governments big mistake is to tell lies, especially ones where it is obvious that it's a lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 young turks is paid by media matters, think it's george soros and hilary clinton type of money. the whole point of it is to brainwash kids. sick fucks. captain planet for the next generation. young turks = youtube political TV program. media matters = a political pressure group which funds the young turks. george soros = a super rich jew who paid for obama's campaign and he pays for lots of tv propaganda such as young turks and captain planet captain planet = an old propaganda cartoon paid for by george soros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain C Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I liked INXS as much as the next guy but let's be frank here: his death is an open and shut case. He choked himself to death while wanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yikes Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 nothing new to see here folks move along http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdW2V5V8W4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3O7u9JYVgs now being made into a film Joseph Daniel Casolaro (June 16, 1947 – August 10, 1991) was an American freelance writer who came to public attention in 1991 when he was found dead in a bathtub in room 517 of the Sheraton Hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia, his wrists slashed 10–12 times. A note was found, and the medical examiner ruled the death a suicide.[1] His death became controversial because his notes suggested he was in Martinsburg to meet a source about a story he called "the Octopus." This centered around a sprawling collaboration involving an international cabal, and primarily featuring a number of stories familiar to journalists who worked in and near Washington, D.C. in the 1980s—the Inslaw case, about a software manufacturer whose owner accused the Justice Department of stealing its work product; the October Surprise theory that during the Iran hostage crisis, Iran deliberately held back American hostages to help Ronald Reagan win the 1980 presidential election; the collapse of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International; and Iran-Contra.[2] Casolaro's family argued that he had been murdered; that before he left for Martinsburg, he had apparently told his brother that he had been frequently receiving harassing phone calls late at night; that some of them were threatening; and that if something were to happen to him while in Martinsburg, it would not be an accident. They also cited his well-known squeamishness and fear of blood tests, and stated they found it incomprehensible that if he were going to commit suicide, he would do so by cutting his wrists a dozen times [3] A number of law-enforcement officials also argued that his death deserved further scrutiny, and his notes were passed by his family to ABC News and Time Magazine, both of which investigated the case, but no evidence of murder was ever found.[4][5] Contents [hide] 1 Early life and career 2 Research 3 Inslaw case 4 Final days 4.1 Last known sightings 4.2 Death 4.3 Police investigation 5 In Popular Culture 6 Notes 7 Further reading Early life and career[edit]Casolaro was born into a Roman Catholic family in McLean, Virginia, the son of an obstetrician, and the second of six children. One of his siblings fell ill and died shortly after birth. A younger sister, Lisa, died of a drug overdose in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury in the 1960s. Casolaro attended Providence College until 1968. He married Terrill Pace, a former Miss Virginia. The couple had a son, Trey, and divorced after ten years, with Casolaro granted legal custody of his son.[6] Casolaro's interests included amateur boxing, writing poems and short stories, and raising thoroughbred Arabian horses. He also dabbled in journalism, looking into issues such as the Soviet naval presence in Cuba, the Castro intelligence network, and Chinese communist smuggling of opium into the U.S. according to his own curriculum vitae (though it remains unclear how much he had had published).[6] At the time of his death, he had written and published one novel, The Ice King, with Vanity Press. Towards the end of the 1970s, he dropped his interest in journalism and acquired a series of computer-industry trade publications, which he began selling towards the end of the 1980s. In early 1990, he decided to take up journalism again and, soon after, took an interest in the Inslaw case, of which his IT contacts had made him aware.[6] Research[edit]Shortly before his death, Casolaro told people that he was nearly ready to reveal a wide-ranging conspiracy spanning the Inslaw case, Iran-Contra, the alleged October Surprise conspiracy, and the closure of BCCI.[7]David Corn writes in The Nation that the papers Casolaro left behind reveal few clues, except that he was in over his head, but was tenacious.[8] His papers included old clippings, handwritten notes that were hard to read, and the names of former CIA officers and arms dealers. Corn writes that the notes show Casolaro was influenced by the Christic Institute and that he had pursued material fed to him by a reporter who worked for Lyndon LaRouche.[8] Richard Fricker writes in Wired that Casolaro had been led into a "Bermuda Triangle of spooks, guns, drugs and organized crime."[9] Inslaw case[edit]Main articles: Inslaw, Michael Riconosciuto, Peter Videnieks, and Earl Brian Ron Rosenbaum writes that the Inslaw story alone is enough to drive a sane man to madness. "If they ever make a movie of the Inslaw suit," he writes, "it could be called Mrs. and Mrs. Smith Go to Washington and Meet Franz Kafka."[6] Inslaw's founder, William A. Hamilton, in a previous position with the U.S. Justice Department, had helped develop a program called Promis, short forProsecutor's Management Information System. Promis was designed to organize the paperwork generated by law enforcement and the courts. After he left the Justice Dept, Hamilton alleged that the government had stolen Promis and had distributed it illegally, robbing him of millions of dollars. The department denied this, insisting that they owned it because Hamilton had developed it while working for them. As a result of this dispute, Hamilton and the department had been in litigation since 1983. A federal bankruptcy judge ruled in 1988 that the department had indeed taken the software by "trickery, fraud, and deceit," a decision upheld by a federal district court in 1988, but overturned on appeal in 1991.[8] A conspiracy theory developed around the case, with allegations that "back doors" had been inserted into the software so that whomever the Justice Department had sold it to could be spied upon. The major source on the conspiracy-theory aspect of the case, both for Hamilton and, later, for Casolaro, was Michael Riconosciuto, described by Rosenbaum as a "rogue scientist/weapons designer/platinum miner/alleged crystal-meth manufacturer... ."[6] Riconoscuito had been introduced to a friend of Casolaro's by Jeff Steinberg, a longtime top aide in the Lyndon LaRouche organization.[8] Riconosciuto told Bill Hamilton that he and Earl Brian, a director of Hadron, Inc., a government consulting firm, had paid $40 million to Iranian officials in 1980 to persuade them not to release the American hostages before the conclusion of the presidential election that saw Ronald Reagan elected president of the United States; this is the claim now known as the "October Surprise". (Though brushed off by many as a 'conspiracy theory' the claim is verified by former Iranian President Abolhassan Banisadr[10][11] and supported by researchers such as onetime Presidential aide and Iran specialist Gary Sick.[12]) In exchange for his helping the Reagan administration, Brian was allegedly allowed to profit from the illegal pirating of the Promis system, according to Riconoscuito.[4][13]Brian, a close friend of then-Attorney General Ed Meese, has denied any involvement in either October Surprise or the Inslaw case. In addition to this allegation, Riconosciuto also claimed — in a March 21, 1991 affidavit submitted to the court in the Inslaw case[14] — that he had modified Inslaw's software at the Justice Department's behest so that it could be sold to dozens of foreign governments with a secret "back door," which allowed outsiders to access computer systems using Promis. These modifications allegedly took place at the Cabazon Indian Reservation near Indio, California. Because the reservation was sovereign territory where enforcement of U.S. law was sometimes problematic, Riconosciuto further claimed that he had worked on weapons programs there for The Wackenhut Corporation, such as a powerful "fuel air explosive". On March 29, 1991, eight days after submitting the affidavit, Riconosciuto was arrested for, and later convicted of, distributing methamphetamine and methadone, charges that he said were a set-up to keep him from telling his story.[8][15][16] In the summer of 1990, Casolaro arranged to meet Bill Hamilton, expressing an interest in pursuing the Inslaw story. Hamilton gave Casolaro a 12-page memo Riconoscuito had written detailing his allegations. Rosenbaum writes that, "The moment he got his hands on that maddening memo, with its maze of illusion and reality, was the moment Danny's life changed and he began his descent into the obsession that would lead to his death. He was slowly, then rapidly, sucked into a kind of covert-ops version of Dungeons & Dragons, with that memo as his guide and Michael Riconosciuto as his Dungeon Master."[6] Final days[edit] On August 8, 1991, Casolaro arrived in Martinsburg, West Virginia to meet a source who, he said, had promised to provide an important missing piece of his story. On August 5, 1991, Casolaro phoned Bill McCoy, a retired CID officer to tell him that Timemagazine had assigned him an article about the Octopus. He further claimed to be working with the reporter Jack Anderson, and that publishers Little, Brown and Time Warner had offered to finance the effort. All of these claims were later shown to be false:[1] Little, Brown, for example, had rejected his Octopus manuscript over a month earlier.[6] On the same day, Casolaro's friend Ben Mason agreed to talk to Casolaro about his finances. A few days later, Casolaro showed Mason a 22-point outline for his book and expressed frustration at having been tied up with a literary agent who was unable to sell it for the last eighteen months. He also allegedly complained about his sleep being disturbed for the previous three months by calls during the night.[1] The following day, a neighbor of Casolaro's neighbor and long-time housekeeper, Olga, helped Casolaro pack a black leather tote. She remembers him packing a thick sheaf of papers into a dark brown or black briefcase. Casolaro said he was leaving for several days to visit Martinsburg, West Virginia, to meet a source who promised to provide an important missing piece of his story. This was the last time Olga saw him. Olga told The Village Voice that she answered several threatening telephone calls at Casolaro's home that day. She said that one man called at about 9:00 a.m. and said, "I will cut his body and throw it to the sharks". Less than an hour later, a different man said: "Drop dead." There was a third call, but Olga remembered only that no one spoke and that she heard music as though a radio were playing. A fourth call was the same as the third, and a fifth call, this one silent, came later that night.[1] Last known sightings[edit]According to the Village Voice, Casolaro's whereabouts between late August 8 and afternoon August 9 are unknown. He met the Honeywell engineer William Richard Turner at the Sheraton at about 2:30 p.m. on August 9. Turner says he gave Casolaro some documents, and that they spoke for a few minutes. Witnesses reported that Casolaro spent the next few hours at a Martinsburg restaurant. A bartender there told police that he had seemed lonely and depressed. The police further learned that Casolaro was seen at Heatherfields, the cocktail lounge at the Sheraton, at around 5 p.m. with a man described by a waitress as "maybe Arab or Iranian."[1] At about 5:30 p.m. that night, Casolaro happened to meet Mike Looney who rented the room next to Casolaro's Room 517. They chatted on two occasions—first at about 5:30 p.m. and then again at about 8:00 p.m. Looney later explained, "[Casolaro] said he was there to meet an important source who was going to give him what he needed to solve the case." According to Looney, Casolaro claimed that his source was scheduled to arrive by 9:00 p.m. Around that time, Casolaro left Looney, explaining that he had to make a telephone call. He returned a few minutes later and said that his source might have "blown him off." Casolaro and Looney talked until about 9:30 p.m. At about 10.00 p.m., Casolaro bought coffee at a nearby convenience store. That was the last time anyone reported seeing him alive.[1] Death[edit]At about noon on August 10, 1991, housekeeping staff discovered Casolaro naked in the bathtub of Room 517. His wrists had been slashed deeply. There were three or four wounds on his right wrist and seven or eight on his left. Blood was splattered on the bathroom wall and floor; and according to Ridgeway and Vaughn, "the scene was so gruesome that one of the housekeepers fainted when she saw it."[1] Under Casolaro's body, paramedics found an empty Milwaukee beer can, two white plastic liner-trash bags, and a single edge razor blade. There was a half-empty wine bottle nearby. Ridgeway and Vaughan write that nothing was placed in the bathtub drain to prevent debris from draining away, and none of the bathwater was saved.[1] Other than the gruesome scene, the hotel room was clean and orderly. There was a legal pad and a pen present on the desk; a single page had been torn from the pad, and a message written on it: "To those who I love the most: Please forgive me for the worst possible thing I could have done. Most of all I'm sorry to my son. I know deep down inside that God will let me in."[6] Based on the note, the absence of a struggle, no sign of a forced entry, and the presence of alcohol, police judged the case a straightforward suicide. After inspecting the scene, they found four more razor blades in their envelopes in a small package. Police interviews further revealed that no one had seen nor heard anything suspicious. The Martinsburg police contacted authorities in Fairfax, Virginia, who said they would notify Casolaro's family. Police investigation[edit]The first autopsy was performed on Casolaro's body at the University of Virginia on August 14, 1991. The coroner determined that blood loss was the cause of death, and that death had occurred from one to four hours before the body was discovered, or roughly between 8:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. on August 10.[1] The day after Casolaro's body was found, Village Voice editor Dan Bischoff received an anonymous telephone call alerting him to Casolaro's death.[8] By Tuesday, August 13, Ridgeway and Vaughan write, the "rumors were flying,...and by the next day, the crazies started coming out of the woodwork. There were vague unsubstantiated rumors that the Mafia was somehow involved, and the wildest story even suggested that the undertaker was an employee of the CIA, hired to clean up after an agency assassination." Even at the funeral, they write, the family felt "engulfed by mysteries." As the ceremony drew to a close, a highly decorated military officer in U.S. Army dress reportedly arrived in a limousine. Accompanied by another man in plain clothes, the military man approached the coffin just before it was lowered into the ground, laid a medal on the lid, and saluted. No one recognized either man and, to this day, they have never been identified.[1] After Casolaro's death was reported by several mainstream news organizations, police re-examined Room 517. The adjacent rooms to Room 517 had been rented the evening of Casolaro's death — one by Mike Looney, the other by an unnamed family. No one reported hearing anything unusual either on the night of August 9 or the morning of August 10. In January 1992, about five months after Casolaro's death, Dr. Frost of the Virginia state medical examiner's office performed another autopsy; he returned a second suicide verdict, citing blood loss as the cause of death. Frost said there was evidence of the early stages of multiple sclerosis, but the degree of severity was probably minor. Toxicology analysis uncovered traces of several drugs: antidepressants, acetaminophen, and alcohol. He wrote: "There was nothing present in any way that could have incapacitated Casolaro so he would have been incapable of struggling against an assailant, let alone been sufficient to kill him."[1] Ron Rosenbaum, a journalist acquaintance of Casolaro's, speculated in Vanity Fair that Casolaro may have intended his suicide to appear to be murder triggered by his research, in order to have others look into the story after his death.[6] However, despite two autopsies being conducted (with both concluding suicide as the cause of death), Casolaro was known to have complained numerous times about threatening or unsettling phone calls directed at him, often occurring late at night, including those received by his housekeeper during his absences from his home. In Popular Culture[edit]Dominic Orlando, Casolaro's cousin, wrote a play based on Casolaro's story in 2008 called, "Danny Casoloaro Died For You." [17] In January, 2013 Aviation Cinemas Productions and Caliber Media optioned the film rights to the story of Danny Casolaro based on the play, "Danny Casolaro Died For You," written by his cousin, Dominic Orlando. Adam Donaghey, Eric Steele, Dallas Sonnier and Jack Heller are set to produce with Eric Steele directing. Production is set to begin in 2014.[18] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Everyone reading this thread is flagged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 that'd be millions of us doing something similar then. It's when we act on our discontent that we matter. Well unless you're that kid who wrote something about a school sh0 otin g on facebook or in gamechat or something, who is now in prison awaiting trial. For a joke threat after a league of legends game. !! I felt sick when i read about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerWaschbar Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Interesting article in Forbes about car hacking. You can pretty much control everything in the car via the computer. In this article they do it with a computer wired in direct, but they mention that in 2010 a group of nerds from U of Washington and U of Sandiego achieved the same thing wirelessly by hacking into an OnStar-like system. Maybe this should be in the Robot Terminator assassin thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Why didn't anyone tell me Chunky was ranting about jews in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patternoverlap Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 If Rubicon was premiered this Friday it would become a huge hit show, they didn't hit the wave of government paranoia in time. We were still in the sycophantic Obama worshipping Homeland phase back then . God I get depressed when I'm reminded that this show got cancelled so soon. So underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 one thing i think is funny to think about with regards to this story, is that it probably scared lots of journalists out there. whether or not the guy was killed by our own government, the circumstances surrounding his death are suspicious enough, that if i were journalist, i would think twice before i wrote an article with the words 'democrats' 'love' 'spy', or basically just anything too critical of the current administration or about the NSA thing, or about what happened in Benghazi... or the IRS.. is that all of them? wouldn't you? to me that's what's funny to think about. a message was probably received by a fair amount of journalists out there, whether it was actually sent or not. and of course you also have to really wonder what this supposed huge story he was working on was. has much else came out about any of this? i suppose i should look it up myself. but he claimed FBI had talked to some of his friends, which the FBI deny. could've been some other spooks just called themselves FBI for smoke screen. but who were these friends? have they came forward and said they were talked to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieBees Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 young turks is paid by media matters, think it's george soros and hilary clinton type of money. the whole point of it is to brainwash kids. sick fucks. captain planet for the next generation. ooh wow i wish only the most horrible htings upon you, even if ur joking and trollin i just hope u have the shittest life which im guessing u already do *farts* oh actually i didnt catch chunkys other posts? is it alright to hate on jews in watmm now? might use that as a new av/sig campaign u know fuckin bash the jews etc etc it must be tolerated by the mods if chunky gets away w it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 it must still be ok to shitpost! welcome back richie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 one thing i think is funny to think about with regards to this story, is that it probably scared lots of journalists out there. whether or not the guy was killed by our own government, the circumstances surrounding his death are suspicious enough, that if i were journalist, i would think twice before i wrote an article with the words 'democrats' 'love' 'spy', or basically just anything too critical of the current administration or about the NSA thing, or about what happened in Benghazi... or the IRS.. is that all of them? wouldn't you? to me that's what's funny to think about. a message was probably received by a fair amount of journalists out there, whether it was actually sent or not. and of course you also have to really wonder what this supposed huge story he was working on was. has much else came out about any of this? i suppose i should look it up myself. but he claimed FBI had talked to some of his friends, which the FBI deny. could've been some other spooks just called themselves FBI for smoke screen. but who were these friends? have they came forward and said they were talked to? If journalists get killed for being too critical about the current government, FOX News would have been slaughtered tens times over by now. If Hastings death wasn't by accident, he must have made some "enemies". And I don't think journalists create enemies by just being critical. At least, not in the US. So perhaps he knew things he "shouldn't" have known, or he was involved with the wrong people. Which may have been the FBI, or instead, some other group of people which made the FBI check up on Hastings. Who knows. Given that Hastings article got Mcchrystal fired, one might argue he did Obama a huge favor by writing it. The government killing critical journalists? And why is Greenwald still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The government is certainly capable. But beyond that--as with all conspiracy theories--one must still wait for compelling evidence to be justified in a belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblequadrat Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 There won't be a revolution, (at least not for a while), you're all a bunch of pussys. You have much more to lose before you start manning the baricades. And if things start looking bad, they'll throw you a few bones whilst keeping their hands firmly on the reins. That's not quite so. The last revolutionary, or pseudo-revolutionary, times in the West were the 60's, when everyday life was becoming maybe not better but definitely more affluent. When things get really bad it's easy to get demoralised and dog eats dog - and the moments where the big revolutions happened have never been the worst moments. People really get angry when things get better but not really, if you know what I mean. I do agree that we're all a bunch of pussies, though, but that has more to do with a huge lack of organisation and a lifetime of indoctrination in the blatantly false idea that everyone's middle class and that therefore you should have middle class values and aspirations. But yeah, who is going to fight middle class ideology nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 one thing i think is funny to think about with regards to this story, is that it probably scared lots of journalists out there. whether or not the guy was killed by our own government, the circumstances surrounding his death are suspicious enough, that if i were journalist, i would think twice before i wrote an article with the words 'democrats' 'love' 'spy', or basically just anything too critical of the current administration or about the NSA thing, or about what happened in Benghazi... or the IRS.. is that all of them? wouldn't you? to me that's what's funny to think about. a message was probably received by a fair amount of journalists out there, whether it was actually sent or not. and of course you also have to really wonder what this supposed huge story he was working on was. has much else came out about any of this? i suppose i should look it up myself. but he claimed FBI had talked to some of his friends, which the FBI deny. could've been some other spooks just called themselves FBI for smoke screen. but who were these friends? have they came forward and said they were talked to? If journalists get killed for being too critical about the current government, FOX News would have been slaughtered tens times over by now. If Hastings death wasn't by accident, he must have made some "enemies". And I don't think journalists create enemies by just being critical. At least, not in the US. So perhaps he knew things he "shouldn't" have known, or he was involved with the wrong people. Which may have been the FBI, or instead, some other group of people which made the FBI check up on Hastings. Who knows. Given that Hastings article got Mcchrystal fired, one might argue he did Obama a huge favor by writing it. The government killing critical journalists? And why is Greenwald still alive? i see your point but i don't agree with it. a) fox news obviously leans right, its on their sleeve b) hastings seems to have leaned left, like the majority of journalists out there c) fox news is very possibly just a kind of controlled opposition in my opinion. just look at oreilly for any random 10 minutes and you will see him rationalize, justify, and/or defend obama from one 'conservative' accusation or another. he called snowden a punk, and i don't think that jives with most conservatives either. the guy is a shill. fox is ran by murdock who called obama a rock star. do the math. d) there's a huge difference between your 'opposition' criticizing you, and people who have been pandering to you, begging you to be invited to your secret, behind closed doors press conferences, covering your ass, downplaying anything fucked up you've done or been involved in, or just outright ignoring it altogether. if those people start criticizing you, then you have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 what exactly do you mean most reporters 'lean to the left'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 You know, in the way that people who support human rights 'lean to the left.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 i mean it in the same way that most college professors, high school teachers, hollywood actors, directors, moguls, most people who cried about zimmerman being racist and started calling him a white hispanic, and as i pointed out, most mayors of the most dangerous cities in the country going back for half a century, lean left. reporters have refused to hit O with hard questions, time and time again. a republican president and department of homeland security head would not have had the luxury of going into that re-election right after a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11, with the vast majority of americans having no idea that it even happened (and still don't). everyone would have KNOWN about it in the case of the pres having an R by his name, and no shit about a video would have flew AT ALL. the media would NOT have allowed that to fly. they would not have played dumb and went along with that retarded bullshit. they built him, they got him put into office, and another person with the same credentials as him wouldn't have had a chance, unless they had full media backing. they made him into a cult icon. and since he's been in office, they've done everything they can to keep him popular even though he hasn't lived up to promise number 1 to his left-leaning voter base. force feeding mulsim prisoners still qualifies as torture in my book, so he doesn't even have THAT. he has jack. nothing. according to some studies, race relations have gotten WORSE under him, and i'll repeat that i feel that that's exactly as he wants it to be, as evidenced by his trayvon could be my son or i couldve been trayvon comments. this idea that obama was a powerhouse of intellect, where did THAT come from? where? that's right. journalists and media. it was a veil that they built around him, when they would describe how brilliant his speeches (read from a teleprompter and probably not written by him) were. when bush gave speeches all we heard about was how many times he said 'uhh', yet i think O says it more frequently and he's alfred fricking einstein? under bush they would take a thousand pics while he talked to get the one where his mouth is most awkwardly contorted to make him look like an ass, and use that on their CBS, NBC, CNN, etc, etc, website article. with O, it's always some holy angelic pose where he's looking up to the sky as if receiving divine messages. most people had no idea that FDR was wheelchair bound, because the then liberal media hid that from everyone. would a republican have got that? under bush, our president was ridiculed, questioned, doubted, mocked, etc etc etc etc etc all day long, by comedians, by popular media, by hollywood, and by journalists. under obama its like comedians forgot they could make jokes about the president. journalists forgot they are supposed to ask questions about policies. basically, i meant what i said the first time. the majority of them are left wing. of course i'm already expecting you to say that obama isn't left wing himself, to which i will say 'whatever'. maybe he is, maybe he isn't. he obviously doesnt give a shit about his lefty liberal voters or what they supposedly gave a shit about when they voted on him. but the people who make excuses and cover for him, some of them anyway, are still holding out some hope that he is going to fix things and usher in this new progressive era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 i agree with some of things you're saying but i don't think they are really leaning left on what i consider important or meaningful issues. Maybe superficially so, i just think that it's more of a partisan favoritism rather than actually being liberal people at heart. 2 examples of this, the fact that most democrats and so-called 'liberal' media news outlets like MSNBC are almost completely in agreement with what is essentially the George W Bush surveillance policy, and in addition to this the concept of the war on terror has all of the same democrats fully on board as long as it's Obama running the show and talking about chemical weapons in Syria and not Bush talking about chemical weapons in Iraq. And as much as the media seemed to 'go hard 'on George W Bush, if you actually watch the whitehouse press conferences of both presidents, there was more or less the same amount of push back and pressure in those press conferences under both administrations. That's different than reporters editorializing on their own time or pundits arguing about things, but I think ultimately that's where the rubber hits the road in terms of the press actually doing it's job, and they have been equally impotent during both administrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 i agree that actual ideas held and actions may not be the same thing, when you said 'superficial'. to varying degrees that's the case. we can't really know where or when people are just going along with something, or actually believe in it, or even if what they seem to be supporting is really what they want or if there is some ulterior motive. but yeah i do agree that in general the mainstream reporters are impotent at doing what should be their actual job, no matter who is running what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblequadrat Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Anyone who stands 100% behind Obama (or Labour, or European social-democrats) is not left-wing - it is one thing to vote for the black guy just to make the present a bit less backward, and to kick Bush out, and another to actually support him when he's simply a liberal and as such will never be left wing. This sounds old fashioned and dogmatic but as I said middle class ideology (we can find a better name for this, but I do think there is a class element in that it deactivates the fact that the middle class is a bit of an illusion) is not to be trusted, because when push comes to shove it's actually deeply conformist and mostly concerned with those things that, at a given moment, don't really make a big difference. Now, if you dislike what has been on the "left" for the past 150 years then I understand that but I can't understand how human rights liberals came to be seen as left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Jewish influence over America must never be criticised? It must be pretended that it doesn't exist when it clearly does, backed up by facts. Jews rule America, the government and media are saturated with their influence. It's a fact. They have power but we're not even allowed to point it out. That's fraud on a massive scale. It's absolutely shameful to support lies. Why do you deny this truth? You should be ashamed of your ignorance. Obama's policy is to assassinate opponents of his agenda. He's said it in his speeches. And his agenda is practically the same agenda as Tel Aviv's, though they put fake arguments in the media to distract people. It's not that the influence isn't there, it's just a major taboo to point out who is in charge, because when people understand the truth, they lose their influence and power. The best fact is that most adults know all about this. It's just kids like on this site who are in denial because of censored school books and TV. Pointing out the current extent of Jewish influence doesn't equal the ideology of the Nazi criminal third reich. There is a difference between the second and third reich, a major difference. For the current generation the most pressing matter is to find ways to co-operate with and support jews. The jewish state is a fact, and it looks like over the next 50 years the jewish state will grow in size tremendously. It's practically impossible to halt this development in world affairs. The fuss over a few palestinian camps is a media trick. Egypt, Syria, and Iraq are all part of Israel and will become Israel over the next years. So please forget the backwards notions that pointing out these facts is the same ideology as Nazism, a really old and outdated racial ideology. Nazism is dead. What exists now is not an ideological conflict between Nazism and Communism. The modern issue for today is a religious conflict among Christianity, Islam, and Judaism over the whole land in the middle east. Michael Hastings is murdered because he is a threat to Israel's influence in the world. It is only the beginning of mass assassinations by USA and other western countries. The reasoning is that it's better to assasinate political opponents (i.e. people who speak plain truth, thus reducing influence of the powerful). People on this site don't know what it means to support Israel or oppose it because they are so blind to real life and real things. I would have no problem supporting Israel and even fighting in a war on the side of Israel, in exchange for some minor cultural revisions in my country such as restoring marriage and family life in Britain and getting rid of the gay marriage/polymorphous perversity stuff. And that's just in Britain. If jews want America to be a giant gay orgy I don't really care about it, I just care what happens in my home country. So I would definitely work with jews and even help them take Egypt, Syria, and Iraq, and whatever else they want to do in the middle east. When they pull some scam like a suitcase nuke in california or some bullshit like that, I will know who did it, not Iran for certain! Kol Nidre haha! oath to a goyim is worthless. i.e. new york times = pure lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 getting rid of the gay marriage/polymorphous perversity stuff. And that's just in Britain. If jews want America to be a giant gay orgy I don't really care about it, lol, better not set foot in the transgender thread then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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