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Braintree

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  1. 20 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

    Democracy is an essential component of some forms of socialism. The definition at the wiki portal is broad, but useful.

    The problem is that basically all attempts at establish communist countries have turned into dictatorships to date.

    The entire point of socialism is to democratize the workforce so that the labor owns the company they work for and has a say in its day to day operations. The idea at that point (an idea that has never fully been put into practice) would then spread to other facets of society. It's trying to spread democracy, not hinder it. It is a system that is trying to give the most amount of freedom to each individual.

    We can pontificate all day as to why it's never succeeded, but suffice to say, the history is complicated. Also, we're talking about socialism, and communism is only one flavor of socialism. I'm not a communist, fyi.

    22 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

    I think you being so dismissive of a person's lived experience is pretty unkind.

    Because it's not relevant. That is not how socialism is defined and it is not how we define things in general. My lived experience in America is very different from many others' experiences. It is tangential and not definitive of democracies or republics.

    Also, socialism is an economic system. How to structure the government is an entirely different subject.

    Also also, if this dipshit thinks he can just end a discussion by merely saying so then he can fuck right off. The mob doesn't rule what logic & reason is.

  2. 1 minute ago, Thu Zaw said:

    We risk going in circles of petty dispute. I've presented my points. They've been well-received by others. I'm going to end this discussion now. 

    Yes you've demonstrated you don't know what socialism is. Please fuck off.

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  3. Just now, Thu Zaw said:

    Democratic Monarchy ...like the UK, Netherlands, Spain, Denmark....?

    Marxism is an entirely undemocratic ideology. 

    What you're thinking of is a constitutional monarchy.

    If you think Democracy has nothing to do with Socialism then you need to do some reading, my friend.

  4. 10 hours ago, Thu Zaw said:

    Marxism is an attractive idea to teenagers who think they're overflowing with compassion for every living being, but sadly they don't have enough experience of the nature of the human.

    They are people who believe Hollywood movies display the same calibre of political interrogation as academic literature. 

    They see things in binaries; people think like them, or people are evil and selfish. There's no mid-ground. They refuse to engage in dialogue, because they view independent thought and ideas that stray from the ideology as harmful. 

    They believe people that don't share their view are wilfully hateful. They 'other' groups of people. 

    Marxism is for people who think that in life there is either good or evil, right or wrong, equal or unequal. They fail to see nuances; the greys in life. 

    They fail to see the authoritarianism and totalitarianism of their own approach. They believe that their violence and oppression is all for the greater good.

    Marxism is a totalitarian ideal that punishes dissent. Yet it believes it's the great equaliser. It gives total power to those who control the system, but calls its critics oppressors.

     

    Signed, 

    Someone who grew up in a militarised socialist dictatorship.

    Democracy is an essential component of Socialism. You didn't grow up in a socialist country. You grew up in a dictatorship.

    "Socialist Dictatorship" is like saying I grew up in a "Democratic Monarchy."

    :::drink fire-water:::

  5. 7 hours ago, Silent Member said:

    Stop calling dictatorships "socialist."

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    The Burma Socialist Programme Party (BSPP)[n 1] was Burma's ruling party from 1962 to 1988 and sole legal party from 1964 to 1988. Party chairman Ne Win overthrew Burma's democratically elected government in a coup d'état on 2 March 1962. For the next 26 years, the BSPP governed Burma under a totalitarian military dictatorship, until mass protests in 1988 pressured party officials to adopt a multi-party system.

     

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  6. I just use FB to promote music and as an events calendar (pre pandemic). IG is better for promoting music and finding visual artists. I work for a company that has a contract with a big social media company and now my personal account is tied up with their internal shit so I can't even delete it now until I work on a new contract.

  7. 23 minutes ago, very honest said:

    are you an american citizen? do you grant him that immunity? are you conceding to the trumpist fight before they even have to make it? we have 3 years to set the tone and these conversations are the game in electoral activism. influence spreads exponentially when you strike something resonant so why not sound the argument for what is right?

    the political arena gets ugly and it's also really weird. there is influence and impact that is possible, particularly with the advantage of time. the idea behind this crazy beast of a government is that the politicians are supposed represent us. people should know that trump is fucking disqualified and congress should do their jobs.

    i think i clarified how we are using the same idea in different ways here

    Are you having a stroke?

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  8. 3 minutes ago, very honest said:

    re: @Satans Little Helper @Braintree

    as i said, i view it as a question of enforcement.

     

    here's an analogy. let's say the rules are that you can't lifeguard if you have one leg. i have one leg. am i disqualified? or do we wait and see if the beach owners enforce the rule?

     

    trump is disqualified because he participated in insurrection. if congress wants to subvert that constitutional amendment then that's another problem.

    Our point is that it's irrelevant to his question. So speculate all you want, but as of right now Donald J. Trump can run for office again.

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  9. 42 minutes ago, very honest said:

    they are talking about impeachment. talk about 14th amendment won't pop up until 2023, (if he tries to run).

    Trump can run for office again, as of right now. Whether or not the 14th Amendment applies to him, or if sometime in the future Congress chooses to bar him from office, he can still run for 2024 right now. That answers the question that was asked.

  10. 2 minutes ago, very honest said:

    i see your point but i'm also seeing that the dictator was trying to achieve communism and had a kind of socialist ideology. i guess let's ignore that

    The ideology isn't really the important part. Or what they call themselves. It's their actions. If they don't structure their economy and government to benefit the working class, then it isn't socialist. Remember that socialism requires democracy.

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  11. 1 minute ago, very honest said:

    the first article notes the 14th amendment applies and is actively being considered. 

    the second article doesn't mention it

    It says this in the first article.

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    Despite these hurdles, with impeachment out of the way Trump is currently clear to stand for President again in 2024. The question now is: Will he?

    And says this at the beginning of the second.

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    The impeachment by the House alone will not prevent Mr Trump from running for office a second time, as that decision rests with the US Senate.

    Following a trial, the Senate needs a two-thirds majority of its 100 members to vote in favour of the conviction of the president and the penalty is removal from office.

    If convicted, the Senate also has the option to vote to disqualify the president from holding public offices in the future, in which case he would be prohibited from running again in 2024.

     

  12. 2 minutes ago, very honest said:

    but:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

    i don't claim to be an expert on this but i found multiple sources calling the political project communist.

    maybe you are confused because communism and dictatorships overlap so much?

    Yeah, and the nazis described their party as "national socialists." The Chinese government calls their main party communist. Neither of those are true.d

    To put it plainly, when you have a figurehead that's calling the shots (especially when those decisions are made against the interest of its people) then that is not communism. It's not even socialism.

  13. 2 hours ago, drillkicker said:

    I stopped at 7-11 for a lemonade on my way home from the gym and this huge crackhead-looking guy appeared in front while I was inside and started screaming and kicking the trash can.  He tried to talk to me on my way out and I ignored him, but I was too afraid to unlock my bike that I parked right next to where he was furiously pacing back and forth.  I'm now squatting on the street a block away and wondering whether I can safely go back for my bike.  It's starting to rain.

    You get your bike yet?

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