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    How does the World view America these days?

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    4 minutes ago, hijexx said:

    Ad hominem is attacking the person not the issue. When you said I’d look at a dog take a shit and I’d say “Now let’s wait for evidence” you are attacking me. That is an ad hominem. You saying “that dog took a shit” when a dog took a shit is a fact. I would not argue with a fact like that. Your opinion on the shooter’s motive is just an opinion.

    Again, your character was not being attacked. Your words were. If you say something silly and then I say "you just said something silly," your character has not been attacked. The dog thing was there to illustrate how obvious this case is.

    How does the World view America these days?

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    2 hours ago, hijexx said:

    I’m not trying to insult you or even debate you. We have a difference of opinion and you seem to have a really hard time accepting that.

    You definitely did try to debate me.

    16 hours ago, hijexx said:

    Your bias is that the murder’s actions don’t match his words. It’s fine to have that bias but don’t go putting words in my mouth that I can’t believe he’s a liar. If there is evidence that he is a white supremacist, like he’s a member of a bunch of WP FB groups or wrote screeds about the stuff I’ll believe it. Until then the only fact I’ve seen is his statement.

    Still not sure why you had to take it to an ad hominem attack but whatever makes you happy.

    By the way, an ad hominem is an attack on your character, which I didn't do. I criticized your comment, because it was silly.

    How does the World view America these days?

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    57 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

    So you think in a pointed question about his addiction, where police had previously mentioned that, the responder should have backtracked on already publicly available information. 
     

    So the other two murdered because they were there. Where were they exactly? In massage parlours. 
    Let’s reframe it. If it were strictly racially motivated, why didn’t the suspect go to the nearest Asian grocer? 

     

    51 minutes ago, usagi said:

     it's irrelevant.

     

    How does the World view America these days?

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    1 minute ago, chenGOD said:

    The reporter. 

    First of all, that's a weird question without prompt. Second of all, since it's a speculative element of an ongoing investigation, he doesn't have to answer it. There is no motive at this time.

    Here, let me edit that. Here's what he should have said:

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    This is an ongoing investigation. There is no clear motive at this time, so we can't speculate on that.

     

    11 minutes ago, chenGOD said:

    Also, if it was purely racially motivated, then why were two non-Asians killed? 

    Because they were there. Murder is messy.

    How does the World view America these days?

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    1 minute ago, chenGOD said:

    My dude, they aren’t framing shit. They are reporting the facts as they have them to this point.  
    The comment about “having a bad day” was reprehensible, but they’re not saying “well he said he didn’t do it, that’s it case closed”. They have explicitly said the investigation will continue, to further uncover evidence which may or may not lead to a hate crime sentence being tacked on. 
    Apparently the suspect has some anti-Asian material posted on his social media accounts, which may provide more context.
     

    However, the below may provoke more thought.
     

    Question: how many white sex workers are there in massage parlours in Atlanta? If this guy had been going to these massage parlours for a couple of years, and there are no white girls working in similar establishments, then I’d say the racial element probably stemmed from fetishization of Asian women, combined with significant mental health issues about relationships. Add those together with the fact that he bought the gun on the same day, and it becomes a little more nuanced. 

    The facts, again, weren't the problem. Don't start a straw man here. The police do not have to give any statement about him being a sex addict or anything. They don't have to comment on that at all. Kind of odd since it doesn't have anything to do with the events that occurred. This looks explicitly like framing the conversation, especially considering charges haven't been filed yet.

    Also, I seriously think that a white guy that drives that far, and to several locations, to kill women who are mostly Asian makes this look like a race related crime. LIke....fucking obviously.

    The bastion of American journalism is even jumping on that narrative: https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-shooting-suspect-robert-long-rehab-sex-addiction-former-roommates

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    How does the World view America these days?

    in General Banter

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    Just now, chenGOD said:

    But not worse than the 3 life sentences for murder he’s looking to serve...

    Also, that path of “the cops should assume” is a very dangerous one. The police should investigate and report the facts, not what people (or the police for that matter) may want to hear. The representative from the Anti-Defamation League says it well in the second half of this article. Yes it’s not up to the suspect to decide, but that is the information the police had to that point, or at least the information they get comfortable releasing to the public. So they are reporting the facts as they knew them, at that time. If they just stopped there, obviously there would be a bigger issue.  

    That said, the cops’ statement that “he had a bad day” is fucking ridiculous, and that comms person should be fired. 
     

    I’d say the bigger racial issue is why so many Asian women are reduced to working in rub’n’tugs. Are we allowed to say that Asian organized crime is a huge issue? Cause make no mistake, a lot of those women who were working in those brothels were trafficked, and not by whitey. 

    My point was that they shouldn't have said anything!

    They should have described the incident, like usual, instead of forming an argument like the one they did.

    How does the World view America these days?

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    1 minute ago, hijexx said:

    It only matters what the jury thinks. If a racially motivated mass murder  carries a stiffer penalty than one that is not racially motivated that will be for the courts to decide which punishment he gets. That will depend on evidence.

    We're not in court here and we're not discussing a court case since it doesn't exist yet. We're criticizing the police's response to the suspect.

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