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    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    Posted · Edited by Satans Little Helper

    15 minutes ago, Summon Dot E X E said:

    The different kind of approach, already being worked on, is to connect many different, complementary ML models together, and to give them access to as much information as possible.

    The stuff they are showing the public is just the tip of the iceberg - a PR move so people can begin to understand it.

    Also, the question of whether it models a human brain or is conscious is irrelevant for practical consideration. It's what it can and will be used for that is most important. Autonomy can occur without consciousness, however we want to define consciousness.

    OK, so in other words, it is actually about functionality. Fair enough. I pretty much agree with this point.

    Trick is though, that you have to understand what kind of data you need for different kinds of functionality. If you want to make a chatbot, you can learn a model on large amounts of text. If you want to create "a human brain"  - which is obviously vague - you have to know what kind of data it needs. And whatever that is, it is not just the internet. Or text.

    On the architecture side of things, I must say the complementary ML models seems far fetched to me. Unless a transformer model is similarly a collection of " many different complementary ML models together". There's a certain reason (logic) to the transformer model which makes it work. There needs to be one to make this artificial brain work.

    And assuming we have such an architecture, I'm afraid your going to be stuck with a "brain" in a bottle. Without a body it wont be particularly interesting. And yes, I'm fairly certain we're more than just a brain in a body. There's a bit of embodiment which is tied to our human intelligence. imo. That's why I'm not too hyped, btw.

    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    Posted · Edited by Satans Little Helper

    3 hours ago, auxien said:

    the significance is it's not a metaphorical thing, or at least their implied goal is to create a real, honest analogous but far, far more powerful, version of a brain/neural network. they're not trying to create a chatbot, or a search engine, or a test subject, or a mathematical reasoning tool, or a code-writing wizad, or a weapon. they are trying to create an all-powerful, singularity-inducing neural network. and they're stepping right out and saying it.

    I think you're a bit too much going for the hype. From the transformer architecture it's clear how important the architecture and the data are for its success. The claim to build a brain also needs both: an architecture and a lot of data (parameters). We're not there yet. Not by a long shot. You can't just train a different architecture on the same data as chatGPT (the internet) and think something entirely different pops out on the other side of learning. This brain "dream" requires a different kind of approach. 

    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    2 hours ago, auxien said:

    basically saying ChatGPT is a digital brain, btw, 'neural networks.'

    This isn't news or a surprise, right? Not sure what's the significance. Neural networks have been around since the 70s. And since roughly 2010's I believe, the complexity of those networks have increased and the term "deep learning" is put on top of it.  It's not some dark art or anything. 

     

     

    Wisp/Dwaallicht Appreciation & Track Sharing

    in Music Discussion

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    On 4/15/2023 at 3:33 PM, o00o said:

    There are a bunch of wisp tracks listed on his discogs released from 2019-2021 I couldn’t find anywhere. Neither google or bandcamp. Anyone got a hint where these dropped?

    https://www.discogs.com/artist/482388-Reid-W-Dunn

    Yondersnow_1-6-20 ‎(File, MP3, 192)

    Break Test ‎(File, MP3, 192)

    Mixolyd-euclid ‎(File, MP3, 192)

    Normally some obscure ones are uploaded to YouTube but no luck 

    Facebook? (I'm not on FB, so honestly no idea!)

    Like to know as well, btw. ? There's a bunch of self released tracks according to discogs. And I have none of them ?

    How does the World view America these days?

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    Living the free life in the U S of A. ?? 

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/20/north-carolina-shooting-girl-parents-basketball-yard

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    A six-year-old girl and her parents were allegedly shot by a neighbor after a basketball that the child was playing with rolled into the attacker’s yard, according to authorities and local media reporting.

    ...

    Witnesses told the station that Singletary ran out of his home upset after the ball rolled on to his yard and started firing a gun at a neighbor. William White and his six-year-old daughter Kinsley were seriously hurt during the shooting. White had his own gun and tried to shoot back at Singletary, who witnesses say unloaded an entire magazine at White and his daughter.

     

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    Autechre. Live. Twentytwentytwo.

    in Autechre

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    8 hours ago, toaoaoad said:

    The sub-sub bass on this (helsinki) is just heaped on. It's a bit too much and detracts from overall enjoyment, gets really fatiguing by about 2/3 of the way in. I still think this is probably what overwhelmed the sound system but of course can only speculate cause I wasn't there and generally never listen to audience recordings.  
    They seem to be REALLY into these low sub frequencies over the past several years. Loads of it in S+P. I wonder if that has something to do with them getting older and losing some degree of hearing, sparking a greater interest in mostly "felt" frequencies. Or in this case it serves a specific purpose to the physical live experience. Maybe fatiguing on cans cause it's not meant for cans (yet). So personally I'm hoping to hear those frequencies reasonably mixed down in the final edits. Ymmv of course. 

    ae already put out the helsinki set, no?  ?

    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

    in General Banter

    Posted · Edited by Satans Little Helper

    23 minutes ago, Alcofribas said:

    on the forum, refusing to read posts

    watmm

    I read this post of yours. I didn't refuse to read posts in general. I just don't go with the "read my comment i wrote somewhere else" BS. This is not a work environment. It's not my job to invest in and keep track of everything ever said around here. If you disagree, I'm happy to support you having an opinion I disagree with.

    watmmmmmm

     

    666th post party ??

    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    1 hour ago, Alcofribas said:

    no conflict. have you gazed upon my other posts, m9? we need better better thinking, not just a stream of jargon used to buttress definitions of intelligence that will fit a technology currently in vogue. 

    We also need tolerance. It's not realistic to expect an  academic level of accuracy in public discussions. But I would agree that real expertise is completely undervalued in public discussions. Not your point, but could be. Fair enough, I guess. But complaining about it only makes life hard. Can't be bothered, tbh.

    Just like I can't be bothered to track your entire comment history. Even within this thread. Going back one or two pages? Sorry, man. Would you be arsed to check my pervious comments? I assume not. (no disrespect!)

    AI - The artificial intelligence thread

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    7 hours ago, Alcofribas said:

    i'd actually really love to see a lot more philosophy in our society, and less slavish devotion to the completely morally bankrupt tech sector to solve all the problems they incessantly create

    You sound conflicted. In your other post you seemed to criticize the use of concepts like knowledge, consciousness, intelligence, language model and what not. And at the same time you crave a more philosophy in our society. Perhaps it’s not philosophical savvy, but I see it everywhere. Quantity is not the issue I’m guessing. But quality is? 
     

    Or rather, those slaves devoted to the morally bankrupt tech sector? But is that because of a lack of philosophy in our society? I’d love to take the opposite side of the argument! ?
    Here’s a bunch of silly thoughts:

    - even if people would be more philosophically savvy, they’d still show interest in tech. 
    - who’s to say a more philosophical society isnt morally bankrupt? (Looks at ancient greece)

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