Alzado Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 is it just me, or are the number of Dilla references/comparisons getting a little out of hand every time a new hip-hop production comes out? I've seen so many comments that an album or artist is "Dilla-esque" or "post-Dilla" that I don't really understand what it means anymore. If I had to describe Dilla's sound, it would be the use of recognizable samples (not going out of his way to obscure them) juxtaposed with some really extreme sample like a siren or something (think Gobstoppers). Maybe I'm wrong. but every album that has beats and samples now is being compared to Dilla. Dilla was great, but he certainly wasn't the first or the only producer to use beats and samples as the main elements of his tracks. So what do all these comparisons mean then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Enter a new display name Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Like your comparison between La Fine Equipe and J Dilla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzado Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 haha, yeah exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 If I had to describe Dilla's sound, it would be the use of recognizable samples (not going out of his way to obscure them) juxtaposed with some really extreme sample like a siren or something (think Gobstoppers). i guess that might be close if you've only ever heard Donuts. But since that is really the only album that applies to that description, i'd say you're a bit off. Like your comparison between La Fine Equipe and J Dilla? LOL pwn! actual dilla sound: [youtubehd]ceJJpuREXm0[/youtubehd] [youtubehd]0a9_O1M4slA[/youtubehd] a bunch of classics here: [youtubehd]0bFEVeqdSTM[/youtubehd] Do any of those sound like your description? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greg Reason Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 i guess that might be close if you've only ever heard Donuts. But since that is really the only album that applies to that description, i'd say you're a bit off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Enter a new display name Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 actual dilla sound: [youtubehd]ceJJpuREXm0[/youtubehd] This is tight as fuck. I never heard of Slum Village until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I'm going to throw out "Adult Swim bumper music" as an alternative. As mentioned earlier, most people bringing up Dilla are referring to his very late era solo beats. It'd be like everyone comparing any IDM to "Aphex Twin" instead of a specific album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbhasdance Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Pretty much what everyone here is saying. If you listen to any pre-2003 beats from Dilla, you'll see why a lot of people compare all of the Los Angeles beat artists to him. The same snare swing, the dirty percussion, airy samples and all that. Sure they switched it up to make it their own thing, but a lot of artists took some ideas from Dilla. Now stuff like Donuts, Ruff Draft, The Shining, that's where I agree with you that there's not too much being taken from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbhasdance Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Kinda OT, but I finally listened to 1st Down (his collab w/Phat Kat in the very early '90s, some of his first beats). This one is incredible, it's unlike a beat I've ever heard from him since, reminds me of very early Madlib almost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up4qSz5v5fE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbhasdance Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Man I'm all Dilla-d out now, one of my favorite producers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgt4ktbMxWU and definitely in my top 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0g_LJ-OFX8 sample from the Beatles (not exactly a sample, but most known from them): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-x9-Xeuc4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lube Saibot Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I think the whole thing goes something like this: before the whole wonky thing exploded, and before it was called as such, it very much existed and was called "abstract hip-hop". Samiyam, Dilla and Madlib (and occasionally RZA, and some might say even early Prefuse before he went all edit-y) are the only ones i know of, but there's probably loads others, these being just the most seminal\popular. Very different amongst themselves. Now take wonky: tons of different styles similar only in overall "feel" if anything. Now, FlyLo seems to be a sort of guiding flame of wonky, since he's easily the most popular in the whole "genre", Adult Swim bumps and all that, as is said above. And FlyLo has very apparent and numerous Dilla influences. So they take the most seminal and prolific abstract hip hop guy and link him to the most seminal and popular wonky guy and voila: now everything that comes out that is remotely "wonky" and has a remotely ethereal sample or a snare that 3 ticks to the right on the grid is gonna be called "Dilla-esque" or "post-Dilla" in this inane mission of journalists to place everything in an anal little prison of chronology. But what do i know, i've got conjunctivitis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 This is tight as fuck. I never heard of Slum Village until now. oh man.... you are in for some amazing shit, my friend. start here: http://www.lala.com/#album/1657606138382647478/Slum_Village/Fan-Tas-Tic_Vol._1 then here: http://www.lala.com/#album/1657606138212647144/Slum_Village/J-88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Also.... [youtubehd]s5tiil5qhq8[/youtubehd] [youtubehd]0ovDj6AsZZY[/youtubehd] [youtubehd]-wYmQJkyvio[/youtubehd] [youtubehd]Pc2uHGeR5cI[/youtubehd] [youtubehd]-blxwMxuAcY[/youtubehd] [youtubehd]U-WxG5p8-oQ[/youtubehd] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greg Reason Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 And don't forget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ZkzrUkQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzado Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 Blicero, was that Aa track from the other thread one of your dtrenz tracks? It's pretty tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Blicero, was that Aa track from the other thread one of your dtrenz tracks? It's pretty tight. And don't forget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ZkzrUkQ or this... [youtubehd]oecneY2-6No[/youtubehd] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain James Mission Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KTF3eqtxgY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxA-MvXfzjo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QYv9XBMHI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4x8jOQp2zY&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementia Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 [youtubehd]0bFEVeqdSTM[/youtubehd] What's the name of the second track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementia Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Oh, it's a countdown. Track #19 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 [youtubehd]0bFEVeqdSTM[/youtubehd] What's the name of the second track? Slum Village - "Do You" [Detroit Deli - 2004] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementia Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Great, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Great, thanks. I don't know if you know who he is, or care, but MC Breed does a cameo on that track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbhasdance Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Dillaaaaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alzado Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 I'm glad I started this thread. There's good stuff here. I just bought the Fantastic Vol. 2.10 instrumental tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blicero Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 dilla subforum or bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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