Guest Iain C Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I don't think it ever was an argument really. I agree the automation in FL used to totally suck... that was one of the things that drew me to Ableton... but I think they souped it up quite a lot in V5, and you can record audio into it as well now too. Still no midi effects I don't think, but ableton has a few and they're very useful :laughing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba69 Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 i reccomend energy XT. so does acid1 :heart: I want my XT2! Iwant my XT2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I HATE Cubase and Logic and similar programs to this (needlessly fiddly and annoying and CPU intensive) I think that about says it. I like to spend hours being anal and tweaking knob automation so it is _exactly_ right... I also have a dual athlon PC. :grin: If you're not a details person and you just want to get some music done, FL will serve you well, but I'm a computer nerd and I love endlessly tinkering with things. Hugely complex pieces of software also make me boner, because I find a large number of options inspiring. LUDD - In Cubase, my usual dealie is: 1) Roughly twiddle the knobs like I want live and record it, 2) Go back and edit that in detail via value vs. time on a bar next to my midi. If FL can do that now, I rescind my effects automation comment. I have briefly dicked around with FL 4 and 5, actually, just not written any music with it... 3 was the last I did serious work in. BTW, can you record audio in it, now? Any facilities for messing audio tracks? I would also like to see MIDI effects (Cubase has MidiEcho, Arpache, etc). I really don't hate FL or anything, and I didn't mean to start one of these pointless interweb debates. Sorry if I offended anyone. I guess it's just, a lot of the terrible bedroom studio music I've heard was cranked out of FL (I'm sure none of it was from you chaps, just saying) and I have a hard time taking something "fruity" seriously. As I said before, as long as it works for you, I honestly don't give a shit. But opinions were being dispensed, and so I gave mine. Yeah, fair fucking play mate. Like you say, whatever works for you. Yeah, you can record audio into FL6, but it doesn't have the more fancy features like MIDI effects (er, well I don't think it does. Probably has now I've said it doesn't....), or infinitely adjustable effects automation etc. I'm sure if I used Cubase for a few months and got the hang of it, I'd love it - I've just always either used hardware synths (mainly Groovebox-y type things) or FLoops or ACID Pro to make my better tunes and like the step sequencer as I'm used to programming that way. Not a big fan of painting notes onto a piano roll (even though I do do this in Floops sometimes), but I do like the way you can use the step sequencer and choose each note on that. Also like the arrangement page - find it dead quick and simple. So, yeah, horses for courses I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarsier888 Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 how do you get fruit loops? i have a demo, but i can't save anything. how much does it cost? and where did you guys get yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrHat Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 1. internets via slip/ppp + scones 2. google for softwar hax 3. enjoy software(z) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fahz0r Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 this is just another full thread of fucking fanboism everyone should use the sequencers and softwares that work well for themselves, and stop crapping all over others. You can't take anything coming out of Floops serious? Wtf? Is it about the fucking sequencer one is using, or IS IT ABOUT THE FUCKING MUSIC they should close this thread now, before one of the kids hurt themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Magoo Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 i just want a sequencer that is simliar as easily as fl5 is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain C Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 If it works for you, why change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosca Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Cubase sucks shit - i used it for years (since the ATARI days) - it's overblown shit - binned it, got an SX boxed copy in a cupboard gathering dust Ableton is amazing, best music software of the past decade - it has a step sequencer (someone asked that) FL Slicer is pure class Reason is a sketchpad - don't like the sequencer on it Renoise is good for stuff ProTools is for cunts with too much money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Magoo Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 i've never seen the pro-tools. screenshot? what the fruity slicer? abelton has a sequencer? i thought ti was just a piano roll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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