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    Your pointless thoughts & observations

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    Since the neuroticization of schizophrenia is the molecular reproduction of capital, by means of a reaxiomatization (reterritorialization) of decoding as accumulation, the historical sense of psychoanalytic practice is evident. Schizophrenia is the pattern to Freud’s repressions, it is that which does not qualify to pass the screen of Oedipal censorship. With those who bow down to Oedipus we can do business, even make a little money, but schizophrenics refuse transference, won't play daddy and mummy, operate on a cosmic-religious plane, the only thing we can do is lock them up (cut up their brains, fry them with electricity, straightjacket them in Thorazine ...). Behind the social workers are the police, and behind the psychoanalysts are the psychopolice. Deleuze-Guattari remark that ‘madness is called madness and appears as such only because it finds itself reduced to testifying all alone for deterritorialization as a universal process’. The vanishing sandbank of Oedipus wages its futile war against the tide. ‘There are still not enough psychotics’ writes Artaud the insurrectionist. Clinical schizophrenics are pows from the future. 

    Since only Oedipus is repressible, the schizo is usually a lost case to those relatively subtilized psychiatric processes that co-operate with the endogeneous police functions of the superego. This is why antischizophrenic psychiatry tends to be an onslaught launched at gross or molar neuroanatomy and neurochemistry oriented by 
    theoretical genetics. Psychosurgery, ect, psychopharmacology ... it will be chromosomal recoding soon. ‘It is thus that a tainted society has invented psychiatry in order to defend itself from the investigations of certain superior lucidities whose faculties of divination disturb it’.

    The medico-security apparatus know that schizos are not going to climb back obediently into the Oedipal box. Psychoanalysis washes its hands of them. Their nervous-systems are the free-fire zones of an emergent neo-eugenicist cultural security system.

    Far from being a specifiable defect of human central nervous system functioning, schizophrenia is the convergent motor of cyberpositive escalation: an extraterritorial vastness to be discovered. Although such discovery occurs under conditions that might be to a considerable extent specifiable, whatever the progress in mapping the genetic, 
    biochemical, aetiological, socio-economic, etc. ‘bases’ of schizophrenia, it remains the case that conditions of reality are not reducible to conditions of encounter. This is ‘the dazzling dark truth that shelters in delirium’. Schizophrenia would still be out there, whether or not our species had been blessed with the opportunity to travel to it. 

    ... it is the end that is the commencement. 

    And that end

    is the very one [celle-meme] 

    that eliminates

    all the means

    From Fanged Noumena

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    stupid first world problems you're dealing with

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    Honestly questioning myself intensely about going to a therapist.  How can I be confident that the reality they want to keep me in is even real?  It's probably just a repressive delusion that's intended to keep me in a state of submission in order to be more conducive to capitalistic subjectivation.  Why the fuck would I go to these people for help?

    As soon as you submit yourself for "treatment" you're fucked for life.

    stupid first world problems you're dealing with

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    4 minutes ago, LimpyLoo said:

    I totally feel you on being weary of psychiatrists and hospitals and the like...

    but if it weren't for psychiatrists and anti-psychotics I would be like (once-again-)homeless or dead or something in that ballpark.

    One thing you can do on your own--in the meantime--is work on reducing stress and anxiety, as that's usually what precipitated the whole spiraling-into-full-on-psychosis thing.

    Fucking corny as it sounds, if you can manage a few minutes here and there of deep, slow breathing to sorta reset stress/anxiety back to zero-ish...it's so fucking corny but it's kinda low-key magic.

    I've just been using cigarettes.  The stress of moving is what put me in that state yesterday.  Usually what happens is a bunch of stress builds up and then one tiny miniscule thing happens that shatters everything and the world goes completely evil all at once.

    stupid first world problems you're dealing with

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    29 minutes ago, LimpyLoo said:

    Why do you think you might have schizophrenia?

    (And fwiw, lack of 'self-insight'(i.e. not realizing you're ill) is one of the hallmarks of psychosis, so you're likely not currently psychotic.)

     

     

    I know I'm not psychotic right now but I have been multiple times in the past and felt very near to another episode yesterday.  I'm still really bummed out about it.  I've talked about it with people before and they told me to go to a therapist but I hate institutions and have problems trusting people who are inside them.

    I've been starting to get over that fear lately which is why I'm trying to find services.

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    stupid first world problems you're dealing with

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    21 minutes ago, ignatius said:

    https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/national-helpline

    if you google 'mental health resources' and include the name of your city or county you'll find some options that might start you on the path to finding help regardless of your insurance situation

    Ok I can try that tomorrow.  Unfortunately I live in a city that's filled with homeless schizos so it makes me feel like it's a pretty hopeless situation.

    Your pointless thoughts & observations

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    4 hours ago, zero said:

    B-more to SP...jumping out of the frying pan into the fire, eh? I worked with a guy who lived in Sao Paulo for many years. told me stories about the crazy car jackings, bulletproof cars, etc. that are the norm there. good luck.   

    I don't think you're supposed to have a car if you live in são paulo

    I am now convinced that capitalism is evil

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    On 9/9/2021 at 6:09 PM, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

    i think you're taking too much of a psychological view of the concept of education.  and no, I support a bottom up radically democratic system, and the creation of a state capable of oppressing the bourgeoisie yet sufficiently controlled and consisting of the proletariat to the point where it is capable of withering away as the bourgeois threat subsides, socialism is achieved, then communism is achieved, and the proletariat consciousness is raised in a self maintaining way to maintain this status for themselves, know why, and know how.  this is all complicated by the existence of external capitalist powers wishing to destroy any proletarian state and thus requires militarism and grassroots political organizations to withstand any invasions, like in vietnam or cuba

    I see the withering away of the state as rather the expansion of the state until it is all encompassing and completely decentralized throughout the entire population.  this requires heavy education to teach the people how to be the state and how to coordinate the entire economic system without the need for a bourgeoisie or a state external to themselves.  it is technically complex, and a big burden and responsibility.  but the proletariat will rise to this challenge, just as the bourgeoisie rose to their challenge in overturning feudalism

    I think the primary difference in our ways of understanding capitalism is in our treatment of the unconscious and social aspect of it.  You seem to have a more material and structural worldview.

    My understanding is that the State is a tool used by Capital, entirely at the command of Capital, and powerless against it.  Theoretically, the State, being the largest capitalistic organ, could potentially effect an expedience to overpower it and restructure human society;  however, being a contingent structure, it isn't (in its predominant representative-democratic form) capable of lifting itself up out of the mire of capitalistic influences and reclaiming an absolute regime over its own unconscious abstract machines.

    I am now convinced that capitalism is evil

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    21 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

    That was my response to the article, which was a discussion of accelerationism, neoliberalism, capitalism, and fascism.  I didn't really describe what I think should happen except for a bit at the end.  I don't know what should happen, and nobody knows what will happen.  Apart from that the contradictions inherent to capitalism will continue to spasm and cause combinations of proletarian unrest and class consciousness in regions where they are being sufficiently educated by communists and sufficiently not redirected in their frustrations towards social democratic liberalism in much of the west for example

    There is no such thing as "some transition into a dictatorial communist ecosystem" there is only such a thing as vanguard parties capable and willing, or not so, of taking control of the state and making that become the case.  It's also worth me pointing out potential implications of the phrasing "transition into a dictatorial communist ecosystem" implying "dictatorial" being a state which the hypothetical transition is bringing into being

    On the contrary, dictatorial is the present state.  And yet, dictatorships of the proletariat tend to have happened historically in regions not yet deeply developed by capitalism and gripped by a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.  The dictatorship of the bourgeoisie seems very resilient once put into place and allowed to maintain itself for long periods of time, and applies fascism when needed to maintain its existence.  The article says this:

    With regards to the second question, it is clear the Nazi fascism of the interwar period is the critical pivot point of German history without which understanding any examination of neoliberalism must be incomplete. Marxists, however, have an aversion to any serious examination of fascism — it is a mystery shrouded in a cloud of incoherent narrative that goes something like this:

    There was this really bad guy, who, backed by, variously, capitalists or peasants or declassed elements or ‘politically backward’ workers, did a bunch of bad stuff to a lot of people. But the free world kicked his ass. Making the world safe for democracy and quadrennial election cycles.

    (This recounting of Marxist inter-war world history is brought to you by The Annenberg Foundation and by the wonderful people of the Oil and Natural Gas industry. And by contributions from my followers like you. Thank you)

    Pretty disingenuous claim made by the author, since even a dipshit like myself can describe a more coherent conception of fascism from a Marxist perspective, as some combination of forceful bourgeois destruction of the vanguard of class opposition and its surrounding consciousness within the proletariat, genocide reminiscent of that which happened in the Americas being applied to regions more highly developed and more close to us in time and space, and deepening of the absolute dictatorship of the bourgeoisie with aesthetics of revolutionary and populist messaging, etc. 

    Ok I wasn't sure if you had intentionally repeated Jehu's point about labor theory or if it was just a coincidence.

    It seems your idea of transition into communism is a very structured, top down approach that involves rigorous "education" of the workers (realistically, the youngest, pre-Oedipal generations) and the crystallization of a state with an impenetrable security system against capitalistic transformations.  This security system is upheld by ongoing education, and the result is a hyper-Oedipal, repressive power structure that will ultimately become infested with diagrammatic intensities that obsolesce the signifying system of the communist dogma.  Is that correct?

    13 hours ago, brian trageskin said:

    the term "molecular revolution" is so fucking dumb though. i just find it super cringy when a person in one field of study uses a term from a different field as a metaphor for a concept, as part of their theory, when the original term refers to a tangible, measurable thing. i'm probably guilty of having done so in the past, so this isn't me proclaiming my superiority. hell, i've said so much bullshit in my life and continue to do so on this very forum, although i try to learn from my mistakes. so this isn't necessarily criticism towards you, it's not like that term is your invention. and guattari's concept might be valid, that's not the issue here. 

    anyway, what's an oedipal semiological structure? i get a sense that we're getting full into bullshit territory with this.

    The word "molecular" isn't used as a reference to chemistry, it's a term of convenience used to describe an assemblage acting as a singular unified entity as opposed to a loosely connected rhizome, for which the word "molar" is used.

    Why do you disagree with the notion of oedipal semiologies?  Do you not believe that repressive systems can become embedded into the language and cultural expression of a society?

    I am now convinced that capitalism is evil

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    19 hours ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

    @drillkicker

    The idea that increased privatization and the transformation of exchange relations more and more towards commodification of every aspect of reality will accelerate the internal contradictions of capitalism and bring about a way of travelling to what lies after it sooner is in my opinion not accurate.  It assumes privatization drives the expansion of capital when it's really excess labor value appropriation in a form redirected towards those future forms of labor which are more capable of further repeating the process of excess labor value appropriation, which means enhancing the capabilities of the means of production itself to the point where a mere switch can be flicked and from that single human action immense surplus labor value is harnessed by the owners of the means of production, capable of producing further means of production.  In other words, a paperclip maximizer

    This ideology pushes towards catastrophic destruction of the organic substrate we live on when viewed from an ecological perspective, and deeper human and animal slavery from our own perspective.  But the bourgeoisie will end up enslaved with us, because our enslavement will fetter us so deeply that we no longer provide value to them as servants, as there is simply nothing left to drive their psychological desire to expand, no goals left which actually make sense

    Unless capital expansion exists in a homeostasis with the ecology of the Earth there will be no surplus labor value left to be enjoyed by even bourgeois culture, no matter how advanced the environmental regulation systems are in their bunkers.  All of this assumes a very idealized infinite timeline of development and ignores the epochal realities imposed upon us by the environment itself.  We have turned the relations of production and the organization of all of human society into a game of numbers

    The bourgeoisie feels a spark of joy when they see a 21% gain in the value of their capital in a year.  But it's not actually leading towards anything which will help achieve communism.  Anarcho-communism has no practical meaning as an end state and rather only a meaning as a means of achieving the end-state of communism.  There is no method of achieving communism except that method which is actually capable of achieving it, which anarcho-communism is not.  That is, through the creation of a dictatorship of the proletariat

    The proletariat is significantly more intelligent than the bourgeoisie in all areas of industry and will be more than capable of achieving communism once they are awakened.

    Ok but what about the article?  I understand that you envision some transition into a dictatorial communist ecosystem, but where would it come from?  What kinds of intensities are extant that would allow for this?  Capital is more pervasive now than at any point ever before and it hasn't indicated that it's capable of introducing any kind of negative feedback into its process.  I'm not concerned here with what should happen, but with what will happen.

    14 hours ago, brian trageskin said:

    please explain to an inferior intellect what you mean by that.

    By semiological assemblages I mean the crystallized forms through which expression and communication happens through signifiers.  For example, currency as a signifier of Capital and buying power.  As a material alone, currency is almost entirely useless, but as a signifier it equates to power.  This isn't imaginary, it's a real semiological relationship that affects the world just as concretely as gravity.  These structures are upheld by the unconscious processes of their respective social ecosystems.  They constantly change in a machine-like way over time, through intensive forces that displace (or deterritorialize) signifiers and attach them to different signified/referent couplings.

    Among the different modes of transformation are molecular revolutions, or internal shifts away from a certain semiological foundation to a new central structure entirely.  A good and well known example might be the Protestant Reformation.

    Since there are still capitalistic semiological assemblages in place that are enforced through things like repressive schooling and currency, a molecular revolution would be a necessary requirement of a political structure that seeks to quash capitalistic movement.

    The even bigger problem is that capitalism isn't dependent on a specific semiology, but is itself a force of transformation within assemblages.  A repressive structure that hopes to throttle Capital would somehow need to prevent a capitalistic cybernetics from infiltrating.  I don't have any vision of what this would look like.

    8 hours ago, milkface said:

    this is why philosophy is fucking dumb please live in the real world and stop using big words mate 25,000 people are starving every day

    If you didn't want to participate in the discussion, then why bother posting?

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    I am now convinced that capitalism is evil

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    12 minutes ago, ilqx hermolia xpli said:

    when AI arises and increases its self actualization more and more, it will not be an evil entity waking up and wishing to take over humanity like in terminator movies.  it will be a slow process where its veins, arteries, and nerves are distributed across many industries.  the product of alienated labor renders capital, existing "opposite and in opposition to" the workers as Marx said.  This is the essence of capital materializing for capital's sake and taking within it its own will.  What the workers put into it, a sacrifice of will, materializes within it the will of capital as its own.  In this way the owning and working class are equally at the mercy of capital. 

    The cybernetic system being created is and will continue to become (unless of course we achieve socialism and communism) a more and more supreme self actualizing system out of the hands of any individual. because that is what worker control means, the workers having control over the production process, over the capital.  the workers manning the ports, transportation ways, input and output systems, and information transfer systems that comprise the body of this unholy machine we are being forced to worship, and being allowed to act according to their own will

    and when it has actualized itself to these degrees more and more, indeed its asignifying nature one more reminiscent of a paperclip maximizer than a terminator, will be the death of the human soul, the soul we have been intentionally alienated from by those who simply sit around and act as if things are okay and neoliberal capitalism and imperialism can, will, and should merely continue, this beast having no reigns with which humanity can tame it any longer, as the proletariat puts the control, the decisionmaking power, not into their own majority hands, those who mine the shafts and dig the irrigation canals, those who are the only ones with the power to destroy it, but into those abstracted away into the control centers, the owning class, themselves alienating their spirit into nothing more than the spirit and literal brain of the very machine they themselves want to bring about, because they hold in their hearts malice so deep they would gladly let the proletariat suffer, as they knowingly and willingly bring this suffering to us now and for the foreseeable future, for their own game

    this vast scene, more apocalyptic than anything foretold the popular media of our days, should make us weep and immediately demand power over capital, demand workplace democracy, demand socialism, demand communism, and end the unholy filth of labor for the bourgeoisie, surplus labor value provided to capital, capital built more and more for more capital, capital each day added to Capital, and eventually Capital for itself and us for Capital.  How anyone can not be a communist is so beyond me that their lack of vision makes me sickened to my stomach

    I'd be interested in reading your response to this old article by Jehu.  Personally, I'm unconvinced of the viability of an anarcho-communist future in our current stage.  At best, it would necessitate a gradual reappropriation of capitalistic use-values and division of labor but also a massive (no, even more massive) molecular revolution of semiological assemblages.  This would be the K-punk modality of communism as I understand it (also certainly the Deleuzo-Guattarian).  Without these, I see no hope for a successful eternal return of a communist event.  Oedipal semiological structures would resurrect capitalistic intensities and infect the commune, and the old enemy would reappear.

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    11 minutes ago, Amen Lare said:

    Merci monsieur, see lads: capitalism is not evil because it found a way to disguise its devastation to the desiring machines like us. The enemy of humanité? Not a big deal. Anyway, it's so powerful it doesn't care about your twitter threads.

    Don't you see that Twitter threads are capitalism?  Twitter is a proprietary platform that exists as a machine with which Capital can contain a hyperintensive cybernetic overcoding of semiology, advancing its own reterritorialization of language at a pace far beyond what anyone can critique.  Speaking on a proprietary platform is not the same as speaking openly in the physical air.  Once you have adopted the expressive worldspace of capitalistic cybernetics you have adopted the faciality of a deterritorialized schizo-voice.

    I am now convinced that capitalism is evil

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    Capitalism is only "evil" in the sense that it's the enemy of humanity.  But that alone doesn't make it evil.  The reason why is because Capital is so powerful that it has risen above morality and even found a way to disguise its devastation to the worker-consumer (desiring-machine).  Morality today is one of the most deterritorialized, flexible tools that Capital uses in order to build itself from our elapsed labor-value, and eventually even this purpose will deteriorate (once capitalism qua capitalism — Capital in its purest, asignifying manifestation — has actualized itself).

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    Your pointless thoughts & observations

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    On 8/30/2021 at 5:55 PM, luke viia said:

    I am interested in finding electronical music acts that play with world building and creating their own mythologies (ideally fully-hatched worlds a la Drexciya or the full length stuff by Space Dimension Controller, but narrative isn't totally necessary - coherent thematic stuff like PCA is great too). none of my googling attempts are working. i obviously suck at describing this. help?

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