Guest zaphod Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 what? because it's a low budget b movie? it's not bad, it's just cheesy. the dialogue is ridiculous, everything is so eighties it hurts...i like it for what it is but it's not like it's the most amazing thing ever. take off the nostalgia goggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pennywise Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 what? because it's a low budget b movie? it's not bad, it's just cheesy. the dialogue is ridiculous, everything is so eighties it hurts...i like it for what it is but it's not like it's the most amazing thing ever. take off the nostalgia goggles. Its eightiesish because it's from the eighties. I was more annoyed about you saying that T3 was ok. Its so much more cheesy than terminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dylan Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 It's the worst A to B to C script I've seen in a long time. You have every cliché here. McG couldn't do shit to save his live, and cope this with an horrendous script... YIKES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 i hadn't planned on watching the third one until i read awepittance sucking its dick here so i downloaded it. fucking waste of time, who would greenlight another movie in this franchise after t3? lol, i was just saying that yes T3 is a bad sequel and i was making a comparison to T4 being significant;y worse just to illustrate just how deeply fucking terrible #4 was. Not like 'oh hey i had high hopes after 3 and 4 really crushed them' it was more like '3 wasn't very good and i didnt think in a million years they could make a movie 10x worse, but oh my god guys they did and they give John conner an emergency heart transplant in the middle of a post apocolyptic battlefield' you could have about a billion 'talk to the hand' scenes in T4 and not one of them would be as embarrassing as that heart transplant scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beatfanatic Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 john connor's pregnant wife was quite hot dont remember her real name but she is director Ron Houward's daughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dylan Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 thank you Captain obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beatfanatic Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 your welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Salads Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 JD Salinger loved it http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_t...ource=a-section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeshi Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 JD Salinger loved it http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_t...ource=a-section lol Besides setting the literary community abuzz, Salinger's decision to come out of seclusion has allowed scholars access to his massive archive of unpublished work for the first time. So far, critics have examined three never-before-seen novels, eight novellas, and more than two dozen short stories—all of which appear to be Terminator fan fiction. "But make no mistake," said Salinger expert Professor Duane Hartworth of nearby Dartmouth College, "this is without a doubt the most personal and affecting body of Terminator fan fiction ever discovered." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 lol! Salinger had only one negative comment for interviewers: He condemned the TV spin-off series The Sarah Connor Chronicles, saying that people who like that show are "a bunch of goddamn phonies But by far the best part is when they reveal the T-800 for the first time and it looks just like a young Schwarzenegger," said Salinger, his voice reaching a fever pitch. "I was like, 'Holy shit.' I guess they must've used CGI or something to get that face just right. But what a moment! I practically lost it, if you want to know the truth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 saw it today. Have to give McG some credit for doing well enough that I could forget it was a McG film for minutes at a time. It was basically shit, but I like that kid actor Anton Yelchin or whatever, hope to see him in more stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundwave Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 but oh my god guys they did and they give John conner an emergency heart transplant in the middle of a post apocolyptic battlefield' you could have about a billion 'talk to the hand' scenes in T4 and not one of them would be as embarrassing as that heart transplant scene. The year was 2018 and they had just won the battle. I can't understand why eveyone is slating this film so much? Ok it lacked the dramatics of the Cameron films, the script could have been better, some of the charachters were a little OTT and it could have been a tad more hardcore (12a) but the film was a fuck site better than the comic parody that was T3. The story was good, the cast was OK, it had decent action scenes and they did continue (and didn't fuck about with) the Terminator concept much better than that shite TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 The year was 2018 and they had just won the battle. I can't understand why eveyone is slating this film so much? Ok it lacked the dramatics of the Cameron films, the script could have been better, some of the charachters were a little OTT and it could have been a tad more hardcore (12a) but the film was a fuck site better than the comic parody that was T3. The story was good, the cast was OK, it had decent action scenes and they did continue (and didn't fuck about with) the Terminator concept much better than that shite TV show. I'll field that » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « - intro with terrible editing: one moment it's a radar array, then he's rappelling into a cavernous underground chamber, then they're in a cramped lab with people in cages, then he's outside in the chopper again and then there's a nuke...really incomprehensible - ridiculous escape scene that becomes a copter crash (second one)with connor fighting robot snakes in the water (whole thing was just weird and wrong) - ridiculous out of nowhere attempted rape of chick with sam worthington bot coming to the rescue - ridiculous appearance of huge mega-transformer robot in middle-of-nowhere pit stop sequence - random rehashing of tropes from other movies/media: atmosphere was combo of fallout 3 and half life 2; "evil robot with heart of gold" theme from T2; freezing/burning of robot from T2, feral kid from road warrior, etc - absurd heart transplant - garbled logic: why is sub beaming out frequency that somehow becomes homing frequency? why doesn't skynet just kill kyle reese? why is skynet collecting humans? - abrupt change of heart and yanking out of Worthington "head chip" - all around flat acting, particularly Bale : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I think this has been posted already, but one of the reasons the story sucks is because they were re-writing it as they went along, based on Bale's wishes http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/1957...TION/Page1.html What caused these massive changes? And what were they? The biggest change came when McG flew to the UK to talk to Christian Bale about starring in the fourth Terminator movie. The director wanted the Batman star to play Marcus Wright, the cyborg protagonist of the script. But Bale focused on another part: John Connor. The only problem is that John Connor had about three minutes of screen time in the entire film; most of Connor's moments were played offscreen. In the original script John Connor was the secretive leader of the Resistance. He lived on the HQ sub, and almost no one saw his face, so as to keep him hidden from the robots. Connor made radio addresses and existed as a legend for the fighting men and women of the Resistance, but in the original script Connor didn't show up onscreen until the last minutes of the movie. thought if you read the article, it sounds like the original story wasn't much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundwave Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I'll field that » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Humans do a surprise attack on a Skynet bunker and in an effort to retrieve data and are surprised to find trapped humans (guinea pigs) and biochemistry experiments below. Cyborg (Worthington) is there as well as details of the new T-800 which humans haven't yet seen and confirms Connors predictions of the future. With no resistance below Connor realises the machines have done one follows them outside finding everyone dead only to see the large carrier craft taking off. Connor gets into the chopper to peruse to find what they are hiding on the carrier then the bunker self destructs and sweeps the chopper away (no doubt to hide what they are up to). The cyborg is then activated as part of Skynets master plan. Ok editing is a little rushed but no worse than Michel Bay. Terminator drone snake thingies hiding in all water supplies are good idea as humans need water. Lawless wasteland so raping a hottie like that would be easy to get away with and the scene was required to build a sense of trust between the cyborg and the woman who then later releases him. Megatransformer attaches to the main carrier ship which was tracking the jeep after it got spotted earlier by the spy drone. Couldn't give a fuck about Fallout 3 or Halflife2 (never played them) but yes very Mad Max how else do you expect a post apocalyptic wasteland to look? Humans don't go out at night as the HK use inferred and hunt better at night. Also Reece was born shortly before or after Judgement Day hence being a feral yet savvy teenager. Yes theme's from the other Terminator films like what makes us human, what makes us machines (this is a Terminator film too) but at least they were done a little differently rather than being half arsed re-enactments like T3 or almost ever scene in AVP2. A field heart transplant in 2018 could very well be possible given advances in technology especially as the cyborg is effectively a life support machine. The frequency that allegedly disrupts the machines connection with Skynet has to be transmitted therefore if Skynet set this up as a hoax it would also know what to look for when the humans turn the signal on thinking it was going to fuck them all up before they attack. You don't need to be Einstein to figure this one, remember Return of the Jedi? Skynet didn't want to kill Reece as they needed him to lure Connor deep into the base where the new T-800 was waiting. Skynet is collecting humans as shields against attack and as guinea pigs as they also happened to be kept in the same place they were making the T-800 and other Terminators like in the earlier bunker. Worthington's yanked out his control chip (which was mentioned by Connor earlier) as he was still human in his mind/heart (human sprit wins over the cold machines again) and wanted revenge to who made him into a walking toaster he also sacrificed himself as a transplant for the greater good as he probably didn't want to live the rest of his life that way hence all that 2nd chance malarkey. They did a good job of the CGI Arnie and the scar links with the image of Connor at the beginning of T2! With the main human leaders killed in the battle Connor now solely leads the resistance. Lasers, time travel, the T-1000, and humans smashing Skynets defence grid (in the original T2 script) still yet to come. Flat acting, ok Bale was weak but the young Reece and Worthington weren't bad it's just a shame about the script. (Well that's just killed a few tedious minutes at work) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dylan Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Are you trying to justify T4? fucking mega LOL The script is one of the worst hollywood play-by-the-numbers thing I've seen in years. It also makes you think "Hey T3 wasn't *that* bad", which is an amazing feasts thanks to the directorial talents of McG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundwave Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I think this has been posted already, but one of the reasons the story sucks is because they were re-writing it as they went along, based on Bale's wishes http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/1957...TION/Page1.html What caused these massive changes? And what were they? The biggest change came when McG flew to the UK to talk to Christian Bale about starring in the fourth Terminator movie. The director wanted the Batman star to play Marcus Wright, the cyborg protagonist of the script. But Bale focused on another part: John Connor. The only problem is that John Connor had about three minutes of screen time in the entire film; most of Connor's moments were played offscreen. In the original script John Connor was the secretive leader of the Resistance. He lived on the HQ sub, and almost no one saw his face, so as to keep him hidden from the robots. Connor made radio addresses and existed as a legend for the fighting men and women of the Resistance, but in the original script Connor didn't show up onscreen until the last minutes of the movie. thought if you read the article, it sounds like the original story wasn't much better Yeah the Reece rescue is something Bale fucked up methinks and the film is like two stories which could have benefited with more focus on one. I think the whole thing has safley been left open for more tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 has anybody here mentioned yet the ridiculously porno star anal gape size plot hole of if Skynet captured Reese why would they use him to lure Conner to them? Why don't they just kill Reese then John wouldn't exist? They know who he is, that is established in the film. I'd love to see someone do fanboy mental gymnastics to explain that away! The time paradox issue in this movie is addressed but never examined, even back to the future trilogy had more believability as far as time paradoxes are concerned. In this it was just like matter of fact 'hes my dad yeah hes a 17 year old but if he dies i do too' (like stone cold seriousness) also mentioned this in another thread but how in the fuck did they fuck up so badly the post apocalyptic landscape? i saw some burned out cars and stuff but in no way did it look like something that happened right after a nuclear winter. the scenes in T1, T2, and T3 looked like nuclear winter with skulls everywhere, dead/burnt bodies piled in cars mid traffic jam, the sky blue/black from the sun being blocked out. in this it was super bright the whole time, no indication that we just had a nuclear fallout at all, post apocalyptic San Francisco from far away looked super shit, the only indication i saw in the whole movie of how wide spread the damage was, and when they finally show it it looks total ass. How did Bale and his cohorts manage to get so many submarines, helicopters, fuel, jet planes, better than iphone level technology PDAs, memory sticks, etc. lots of fucking technology and toys for happening right after a fucking nuclear winter! I had such high hopes for a movie taking place in a post nuclear war wasteland, especially after Camerons beautiful job filming those brief shots in his films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 what makes no sense about the entire series, and this movie especially, is why skynet doesn't simply nuke everything, again and again, until everyone is dead. it's like skynet is actually a bored human being playing with ants. it makes no fucking sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Salads Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 What is the function of skynet anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 what makes no sense about the entire series, and this movie especially, is why skynet doesn't simply nuke everything, again and again, until everyone is dead. it's like skynet is actually a bored human being playing with ants. it makes no fucking sense at all. or even better just release a really deadly virus to infect the whole world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 there isn't one. it's a b-movie concept for a franchise of b-movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Salads Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Well, it's a concept that stirs the imagination. But then when assholes decide to literally pursue those feelings in the form of sequels and reboots, we have a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 i think we just need to give it a fucking rest with terminator. actually post apocalypse movies in general. let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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