Beat Slicing VSTs or Au's

[awepittance]

There may have already been a thread like this years ago but it's been a while and there may be new software out so i'm going to do it again.

 

here are the ones i'm aware of:

 

Izotope Phatmatik pro (so far this seems to be the best and most versatile) Windows & OSX

Native Instruments Impakt (least used one, now discontinued) Windows & OSX

Fruity Loops Slicer (the classic i still use, the easiest one to setup on the fly) Windows only

Fruity Loops Slice X (never used it but i've been meaning to, fruity loops can be used as a VST) Windows only

 

If anybody knows of any instrument plugin that can do beat slice detection and transpose the slices across the keyboard add it here

OR the kind that manipulates in some way a loop by dividing it's slices by 16 or 32 and transposing or auto sequencing them

 

please also include ones that are only par of certain host sequencers

 

edit: just ran into this - http://www.gersic.com/plugins/index.php?daCat=18

has some really cool looking glitchy/loop mangling/slicing plugins. They are all windows though and i don't have a working PC at the moment. If someone else cares to try them and report back i would be very appreciative

[Guest mrx]

liveslice is another decent one

[awepittance]

liveslice is another decent one

 

edit: oh ok i have this installed right now (on my quasi functioning pc) but i always thought it was an effect only. but the webpage looks really cool and a like a powerful instrument.

 

I wonder why it loads up only under my inserts/aux sends lists

 

excited to try it. but damn its windows only.

[sneaksta303]

acid 3.0's chopper is the bee's knees

[Bubba69]

I mean, there are lots of samplers that will slice and map to keys, like NI battery, shortcircuit(now free). What about Guru? I've never used it and have heard its kind of a beat preset machine type of thing.

[Guest Adjective]

directwave

[Guest Drahken]

LiveSlice seems awsome but I can figure it out and the manual is too minimal.

[Guest Iain C]

Microdicer's great if you just want simplicity. The midi drag-and-drop is really useful. Beat detection's OK. I don't really make music any more but it always did me fine.

[Guest David R James]

Yeah i use live slice quite abit but some times its abit fiddly and half the time i have no idea how i get anything to work properly in it.

[producer snafu]

chopping breaks and putting them in a sequencer can help better

 

[Guest maus]

NI's offering was actually called "intakt", by the way...

 

but i can attest to GURU being pretty cool in terms of slicing. it's not as conventional and straightforward as intakt was (intakt was an absolute STAPLE of my studio environment until NI decided to shit its pants circa 2005.)

 

GURU slices things and then auto-arranges them in its sequencer to match the original loop almost perfectly. it also does some interesting structuring, determining on its own what constitutes the kick elements vs. the snares, etc.

 

GURU also layers different hits on the different midi notes, which can be interesting, but also frustrating - but you can turn these layers off or restrict them, it's just a bit more work.

 

overall GURU is pretty killer.

 

Kontakt 3 does indeed have *SOME* of the functionality that intakt did, but it's a nightmare headache bullshit experience. intakt was technically built on the kontakt engine, but it WORKED. now, you have to load a sample, slice it, then map it to keys, then if you want to apply different effects to each slice, you have to fuck around with groups and so forth.

 

if using K3 is a logical progression from using intakt due to it being the same basic thing, my guess is that K4 will just be a CD-ROM of code that you can compile yourself. NI will say "K3 was built using code... so you can just use this code to build K4 and it's the same thing, even better!"

 

then we can wait while they try to tell us Kore 3 is going to save the world.

 

c

 

[awepittance]

NI's offering was actually called "intakt", by the way...

 

but i can attest to GURU being pretty cool in terms of slicing. it's not as conventional and straightforward as intakt was (intakt was an absolute STAPLE of my studio environment until NI decided to shit its pants circa 2005.)

 

GURU slices things and then auto-arranges them in its sequencer to match the original loop almost perfectly. it also does some interesting structuring, determining on its own what constitutes the kick elements vs. the snares, etc.

 

GURU also layers different hits on the different midi notes, which can be interesting, but also frustrating - but you can turn these layers off or restrict them, it's just a bit more work.

 

overall GURU is pretty killer.

 

Kontakt 3 does indeed have *SOME* of the functionality that intakt did, but it's a nightmare headache bullshit experience. intakt was technically built on the kontakt engine, but it WORKED. now, you have to load a sample, slice it, then map it to keys, then if you want to apply different effects to each slice, you have to fuck around with groups and so forth.

 

if using K3 is a logical progression from using intakt due to it being the same basic thing, my guess is that K4 will just be a CD-ROM of code that you can compile yourself. NI will say "K3 was built using code... so you can just use this code to build K4 and it's the same thing, even better!"

 

then we can wait while they try to tell us Kore 3 is going to save the world.

 

c

 

sounds good, would love to check out Guru.

 

intakt was pretty mysterious for me, the Reaktor beat slicer was much easier to use for me even though it was in mono. and goddamit if Kontakt 3 isnt a super crash machine on my computers, its a great program but i barely use it in any of my sessions because of the instability

[Guest maus]

i own the legit version of kontakt 3, but i can't recommend enough picking up the cracked version that's circulating on the torrent sites these days... i can't remember who released it, but it's more stable than the official version, and will also allow you to open NKPs (protected sample libraries) without having to authorise them.

 

this was the ONLY way i could get my LEGIT EWQL symphonic orchestra to work. i had to resort to the cracked version because NI was blaming both apple and eastwest for the authorisation problems, and refused to help.

 

so now you can pick up the sample content for Ra, Colossus, the new project sam Symphobia, or anything else you want, and just plug n' play.

 

cheers,

c

[awepittance]

tell me a little bit about intakt, i didn't dig too deep with it but was always curious of course because NI put it out and i love beat slicing. Is it that you are really comfortable in the kontakt style environment and it fits with your workflow? or does it have some ridiculous features like Kontakt does (as shown in your bad ass tutorial videos.. you made those right? really useful btw) that aren't apparent at first glance?

 

when i first started beat slicing i was using heavily the Reaktor 4 patch 'beat slicer' and would modify it so that it could hold upwards of 500 slices. I was wondering if something else could do kind of a hybrid of granular synthesis and beat slicing, which is how i was manipulating and treating the R4 one, perhaps Intakt can..

Example: i recorded myself hitting all these different blocks of wood, beat sliced it so it would find like 350 slices then i would smash a bunch of midi notes on top of eachother very closely where every gate signal chose a random slice and send to the patch to get a 'cloud' of wood block hits

[Guest rex sole]

Cubase 5's Groove Agent One has pretty much the best slicing set up. Drag a loop in to an audio track, chop it up with the scissors tool yourself or let Cubase do it automatically, drag the pieces on to the Groove Agent One pads and you're done! Full envelope and filtering control per pad, it's quick and powerful.

 

Of course this is only useful if you use Cubase as your main DAW and are too stuck in your ways to use Renoise now or something.

[beariksson]

glitchy vsts:

dblue glitch

sugarbytes effectrix

 

edit: use "Slice to New MIDI Track" in Ableton Live

it's golden.

[beariksson]

http://www.thecovertoperators.org/Live-Packs/slice-of-winter

check dis out

i'm not sure if it is what you're looking for though hehe

[awepittance]

http://www.thecovertoperators.org/Live-Packs/slice-of-winter

check dis out

i'm not sure if it is what you're looking for though hehe

 

i'm more specifically looking for instruments/generators not effects or processors like dblue glitch

[pylonbitch]

intakt is like kontakt except with slicing abilities.

 

tou can load pre rex'd files in, or you can do them yourself.

 

load up a break, hit the beatmachine button, set sesitivity, process.

 

 

automatically maps up the keyboard.

 

 

you can process each individual slice with envelope, filter, overdrive, delay, velocity sens, pitch etc etc... just hit the key you want to process and twiddle the knobs. outstanding functionality.

 

 

once it's sliced, you can set it to synch the loop to tempo also.

[beariksson]

http://www.thecovertoperators.org/Live-Packs/slice-of-winter

check dis out

i'm not sure if it is what you're looking for though hehe

 

i'm more specifically looking for instruments/generators not effects or processors like dblue glitch

 

did you have a look at the video in that link to Slice of Winter? it sounds very much like you are talking about. you can take whatever sample you want, and the chop the motherfucker up. and theres loads of preset loops and effects n stuff, and i'd say there's limitless possibilities. AND it's immediately mapped to your keyboard when you have sliced it up. you could for instance use any boring synth line, and then slice it up with "Slice to New MIDI Track" (with any of the presets found in the Slice of Winter pack). you don't need anything more than that. At least I don't :)

[Guest maus]

tell me a little bit about intakt, i didn't dig too deep with it but was always curious of course because NI put it out and i love beat slicing. Is it that you are really comfortable in the kontakt style environment and it fits with your workflow? or does it have some ridiculous features like Kontakt does (as shown in your bad ass tutorial videos.. you made those right? really useful btw) that aren't apparent at first glance?

 

i did indeed produce the K3 tutorial videos that ship on the K3 DVD, if that's what you mean, although it's josh fielstra (still product specialist manager for NI) that's in them.

 

when i first started beat slicing i was using heavily the Reaktor 4 patch 'beat slicer' and would modify it so that it could hold upwards of 500 slices. I was wondering if something else could do kind of a hybrid of granular synthesis and beat slicing, which is how i was manipulating and treating the R4 one, perhaps Intakt can..

Example: i recorded myself hitting all these different blocks of wood, beat sliced it so it would find like 350 slices then i would smash a bunch of midi notes on top of eachother very closely where every gate signal chose a random slice and send to the patch to get a 'cloud' of wood block hits

 

i don't recall offhand how many slices intakt was capable of operating with, but it was significant - i want to say 256, but it may indeed have been as many as 1024... some hexidecimal variant i'm sure.

 

what i personally liked about it is that it sliced the input audio with one click, and then you could midi-select any individual slice and very effectively adjust playback parameters, effects, and so on.

 

i'm trying to remember if intakt supported granular effects on a per-slice basis (inasmuch as being able to slow down the slices, etc.) but it's been so long i can't remember anymore - haven't touched it since the intel switch.

 

K3 will allow you to do some pretty slick granular stuff with any audio, but again the slicing faculties are nowhere near as easy to use. in order to apply effects to an individual slice, it has to be in its own group, which is easy enough, but when you're talking about a couple hundred hits on different midi notes, things get ugly pretty quick, whereas with intakt, it was point-and-click.

 

i used intakt much like you're describing - i'd generate piles of noises in reaktor, or record myself smacking things with a hammer around the house; whatever... and then i'd import that audio into intakt, slice it, manipulate it, and have nearly instant glitchy original drumkits.

 

you might try playing around with kontakt 3's granular stuff... even if you just sliced up your woodblock sample, for example, and then adjusted the global granular time... you can get some pretty cool results with that; using tone machine on a loop, for example, will allow you to play different timbral versions of the same loop (or sound) on a series of keys in perfect time.. if you vary the note on times by varying milliseconds (even if it's just by virtue of 'mashing' the keys) you get some cool effects.

 

the beats in this track are done exactly like that. the main loop sounds sticky and lazy, due to the exact effect described above:

 

maus - tijd

 

i did a tutorial last summer for a company a friend was starting up (which failed) that goes into the granular possibilities of K3... i don't know if i ever posted it here, but it might prove useful if you aren't as familiar with K3:

 

http://www.bankoflosangeles.net/vavideos/kontakt.mov

 

ignore the stupid-ass intro. i was bored.

 

c

 

 

 

[pera]

Beat slicing in Renoise 2 is great =)

 

Liveslice is nice, and I heard somewhere that afx use it.. so....

[qnio]

WAVOSAUR

[awepittance]

holy SHIT i just loaded up FXpansion's Guru and i have to say this program is freaking amazing. The way it detects the slices automatically and labels parts 'bass' 'snare' or 'hat' is ridiculous!

 

for those who havent used it its basically a VST instrument that has a built in sequencer, when you slice a loop it shows on a sequencer the slices on a piano roll (kind of like what the guy said above about live slice to midi) except this is all done internally, then you can re sequence the beat with a shit load of a tweaking options

 

[Guest maus]

plus, the groove/swing "feel" in guru is REALLY nice. a pile of templates to choose from, and a much higher PPQ resolution than any host sequencer, so the feel is fantastic.

 

not only that, but if your sequencer accepts groove templates, you can drag-and-drop sequences from guru into your timeline and groove away.

 

it's actually a really slick little program, which is funny, because when i first saw it i was extremely prejudiced against "another freakin' drum machine plugin". kudos to fxpansion.

 

c