J3FF3R00 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/11/arizona-shootings-tea-party huff. Criticism of government doesn't always need to involve the use of guns and violence. Fucking idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 people who actually think having guns will prevent some kind of government police state takeover have been watching Red Dawn one too many times. YOu think these ignorant fuckheads would actually be able to form a cohesive resistance or organized force of any kind? Most likely if the shit did hit the fan in this country and everybody was rioting, they would be the kinds of dudes who shot to kill looters in Hurricane Katrina. These are the same puritanical 'family values' assholes that think you spend your life in prison for buying or selling marijuana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hanratty Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 amazing article in ny times about how permissive the gun laws are in Arizona. You can go to a bar with a loaded gun! You can go to work with a loaded gun! You can easily buy a gun. oh, and your health care plan might not pay all your mental health expenses. hello America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theSun Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 yeah the well armed militia provision of the constitution is pretty unrealistic with such an incredibly powerful military. and angry mobs rarely get anything done that isn't fucked up on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EDGEY Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 huff. RTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EDGEY Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 yeah the well armed militia provision of the constitution is pretty unrealistic with such an incredibly powerful military. and angry mobs rarely get anything done that isn't fucked up on many levels. An incredibly powerful military that resides on the other side of the planet... You think the local recruitment station is going to step up against a well-armed militia when the shit hits the fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theSun Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 national guard has been used to quell riots before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EDGEY Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 national guard has been used to quell riots before Oh, I thought we were talking about the "omg end of the world zombie apocaclypse" scenario they're all arming themselves for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Haven't there already been shootings in the past years where the nut was influenced by Beck, Palin and whatever right-wingnut flavour of the month? The Holocaust museum shooter, some police shooter in Pittsburgh and some university shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Haven't there already been shootings in the past years where the nut was influenced by Beck, Palin and whatever right-wingnut flavour of the month? The Holocaust museum shooter, some police shooter in Pittsburgh and some university shooting. — July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others. — October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama. — December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals — the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure” — threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime. — December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb. — January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center. — February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material. — April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial. — April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police. — May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller. — June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard. — February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.) — March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war. — March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead. — May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse. — May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb. — May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed. — July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded. — September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year—old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the “Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 some of those, actually most of that list doesn't have anything to do with the Tea Party movement, and i'd be willing to bet for the most part Beck and Palin are too tame for them if you actually read for instance Joe Stack's writings on why he did it i think you would find it very interesting, most if not all his reasons seem to be those of a anti capitalism liberal and please i dont want anybody to confuse what i'm trying to point out here, i'm not a fan of the tea party by any means, i consider myself very much a far to the left liberal on most issues. I just think that as critically thinking people, which the left tends to be more often than the right we shouldn't fall prey to over simplifying what happened by linking it wiith Sarah Palin or others like her. For all we know some of these people were listening to Stormfront, David Icke or Alex Jones before they went postal, but i would also hesitate to place blame on those people either. edit: if i was going to try to find a base psychology cause i'd say that it stems from the illusion of american exceptionalism, we are told for our whole lives we live in the freest country on earth, but when enough people get their houses taken away, get arrested for small drug possessions or go into debt from medical bills, something has to give, and maybe all this politcally motivated violence is just a result of this. some of these people go beyond the good ole 'throw the bums out' mantra and move straight to kill the 'bums' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirezzi Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/11/arizona-shootings-tea-party huff. μ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3FF3R00 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I like Sarah Palin and The Tea Party. fixd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
encey Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Your "revolution" is over, Mr. Lebowski! Condolences! The bums lost! My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary C Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 "blood libel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixxx Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I am not Mike Paradinas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary C Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I am not Mike Paradinas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theSun Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 i wouldn't "blame" this on the tea party at all. they are a bunch of wackos. this guy was a wacko. the similarities end there. historically, people are always using "patriotism" to advance their agenda or make threats or whatever. remember in the 90s when some senator warned clinton, saying some patriotic soldier might off him if he were to travel to a military base? this kind of ridiculous rhetoric appeals to many people, because it simulates a higher level of conflict than there actually is, and people just love to have something to fight about. another shitty thing in america is people saying "let's agree to disagree" and people stand firmly by their ignorant opinions and never attempt to educate themselves. this kind of climate is conducive to crazies, and cnn/msnbc/fox are pushing their own brands of political combat to strengthen peoples beliefs, whether they are rational or not. ps - public op polls suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3FF3R00 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 "blood libel" oh, I get it... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/12/palin-says-efforts-to-lay-blame-reprehensible/#more-142708 “Within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible,” she said. FYI... Giffords is Arizona's first Jewish Congresswoman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 some of those, actually most of that list doesn't have anything to do with the Tea Party movement, and i'd be willing to bet for the most part Beck and Palin are too tame for them if you actually read for instance Joe Stack's writings on why he did it i think you would find it very interesting, most if not all his reasons seem to be those of a anti capitalism liberal and please i dont want anybody to confuse what i'm trying to point out here, i'm not a fan of the tea party by any means, i consider myself very much a far to the left liberal on most issues. I just think that as critically thinking people, which the left tends to be more often than the right we shouldn't fall prey to over simplifying what happened by linking it wiith Sarah Palin or others like her. For all we know some of these people were listening to Stormfront, David Icke or Alex Jones before they went postal, but i would also hesitate to place blame on those people either. edit: if i was going to try to find a base psychology cause i'd say that it stems from the illusion of american exceptionalism, we are told for our whole lives we live in the freest country on earth, but when enough people get their houses taken away, get arrested for small drug possessions or go into debt from medical bills, something has to give, and maybe all this politcally motivated violence is just a result of this. some of these people go beyond the good ole 'throw the bums out' mantra and move straight to kill the 'bums' don't get me wrong, i agree with you to a large extent, but i do think that some of the blame falls squarely on those who insist that violence is an acceptable solution when democracy doesn't go their way. "don't retreat... reload!" "second amendment solutions," "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants," crap like that gives people who have that unfortunate combination of mental illness and guns something to fixate on. it's created a culture of violence, and i think that explains why some of this stuff has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcinsu Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 So, when does violence become justified? How far can a government go before it's acceptable for an uprising? Who decides? Is it a majority consensus? How much of a majority? Should citizens wait until a country is entirely destroyed by those in power, before they should act? Btw I am not a tea partier, nor do I condone the Tucson incident at all. These are rhetorical questions. But I'd be interested to hear peoples opinions ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 pacifism dies when essines dick gets hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EDGEY Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 don't get me wrong, i agree with you to a large extent, but i do think that some of the blame falls squarely on those who insist that violence is an acceptable solution when democracy doesn't go their way. "don't retreat... reload!" "second amendment solutions," "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants," crap like that gives people who have that unfortunate combination of mental illness and guns something to fixate on. it's created a culture of violence, and i think that explains why some of this stuff has happened. That's because democracy is a load of crap. As the old addage goes "It's 51% of the people telling the other 49% of the people what to do". Who is any man to tell any other man how to live his life? Democracy is why homosexuals can't marry. Democracy is why pot isn't legal. Just using those as 2 quick modern "hot topics". Democracy is why the right is back to running things.... "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest disparaissant Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 don't get me wrong, i agree with you to a large extent, but i do think that some of the blame falls squarely on those who insist that violence is an acceptable solution when democracy doesn't go their way. "don't retreat... reload!" "second amendment solutions," "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants," crap like that gives people who have that unfortunate combination of mental illness and guns something to fixate on. it's created a culture of violence, and i think that explains why some of this stuff has happened. That's because democracy is a load of crap. As the old addage goes "It's 51% of the people telling the other 49% of the people what to do". Who is any man to tell any other man how to live his life? Democracy is why homosexuals can't marry. Democracy is why pot isn't legal. Just using those as 2 quick modern "hot topics". Democracy is why the right is back to running things.... "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson uhm no, pot is illegal because of corporate interest. there is no real democracy in the united states. i probably should have just put democracy in "quotes" because that's kind of what i was getting at anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 your health care plan lol LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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