Lane Visitor Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So just curious yall.. (And Limpy - this isnt directed at you- just using your posts as comparison :D ) How is it that your responses to Limpy whose making some pretty sweeping / generalized statements about Islam / Mohammad, so chill and friendly and you guys are having more of an actual discussion, while I merely just use the damn phrase "Islamic extremism" and suddenly I'm cast out as a bafoon?!? Is this something personal, honestly? Ive actually seen the overtly racist / antisemetic Chunky whose now banned (mostly cuz of my doing) get less flack than i do for posts such as the ones i made a few days ago on here ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Lol sponsored ad in tapashit is for wargaming. Lane: same question as I put earlier to limpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Lane: same question as I put earlier to limpy. Can you reiterate it? PS Godel lemme know if you wanna pick back up I got swept up in other stuff Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lane Visitor Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Lol sponsored ad in tapashit is for wargaming. Lane: same question as I put earlier to limpy. Chen, agreed that you're pretty much always calm and calculated.. as much as we may disagree strongly about politics, i appreciate and respect that. Guess im still pretty pissed about the "Get to know some muslims in your neighborhood" statement from Usagi, as if just because I believe Islamic extremism is a real thing (as by the way, the majority of the world, scholarly research and status quo agrees w me on- see Islamic fundamentalism on Wiki), it means im an ignorant hick- pretty fucking ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yeah Whenever I hear the "get to know some Muslims in your neighborhood" sorta gambit I just think about Scientology Imagine if every time someone criticized the beliefs and tenets of Scientology They were told "well obviously you don't know any Scientologists" Or imagine if we were told about 'sophisticated interpretations' of Scientology By the Reza Aslans of the world Would anyone flinch? Would we say "yes, I suppose my understanding of Xenu and E-meters was a bit literal and unsophisticated"? To me, from the outside, Islam just looks like a stone-age Scientology (Something about emperors and clothes...) Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 LOL wow, you guys. *head explodes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 LOL wow, you guys. *head explodes* Walk us through where we went wrong Show us the way Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 First you'll fulfil that little task you were so happy to do, then I'll get back and see where we can go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 OK, to not be too big of a dick (there's plenty of those already it seems), lets go. What do you want with a comparison between scientology and islam? Or put differently, why would someone, not you limpy, want to make a comparison between these two? Do you want to say that religion is bullshit? All religions are bullshit? (is scientology a religion btw...or something else? there's an argument here, but lets not get dragged away) Or were you making some other point? Because I really don't see why that comparison could help this discussion in any way. Other than to say you don't like being told to get to know some people first before you make judgments. Because it feels kind of belittling? Sorry, that comparison was the most inane thing I read today on this forum. It's really beyond me why anyone could type that shit without thinking "wait a minute, perhaps I need to rethink this before I make this post". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 You don't seem to see the point of any of my posts Which is fine But for the last 2-3 pages my posts have been direct(-ish) responses to other posts My point with Islam and Scientology Is that nobody should need to know a Scientologist IRL In order to criticize the beliefs and tenets of Scientology (I thought that would be clear from the first post, but alas...) Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So, why does what holds for scientology carry over to islam? Magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 As for demonstrating that you make excuses and apologisms for people who champion a monster as the highest moral example possible: You have spent your every breath in this thread Defending Islam from blasphemers like me and Lane Perhaps I am mistaken (quite possible) But it almost seems like there's no possible criticism of Islam that you would let stand Or concede So I think you are doing my work for me Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 edit: or, in other words, the fact that this comparison seems so obvious to you say a lot about your beliefs about what is scientology, and what is islam. you basically assume this is a valid comparison and in no way explain why this would hold up in the world that's outside of your head. you're entitled to have your opinion, but don't expect any of us to just magically follow along your internal logic of how the world looks. to me at least, the comparison makes absolutely no sense. and that says to me you're ignorant about islam and have no intention to invest in any way or form before you make a judgment. i don't know if you actually are. but the argument you present makes me think that's the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 As for demonstrating that you make excuses and apologisms for people who champion a monster as the highest moral example possible: You have spent your every breath in this thread Defending Islam from blasphemers like me and Lane Perhaps I am mistaken (quite possible) But it almost seems like there's no possible criticism of Islam that you would let stand Or concede So I think you are doing my work for me Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo every breath. wow. are you high? so by telling me i spend every breath in this thread (!?) to defend islam from blasphemers...you basically fall back into the strawman thing. congrats. funny thing is that i actually think there is a valid reason to put religion into the equation, but somehow you just need that strawman in your life to have this argument against. please continu. i can learn a thing or two here as well. i'm simply amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 To someone like me who wasn't indoctrinated into a religion Yes, most religions give me that same Scientology vibe I think the irony of your view of me as being short-sighted Is that history is littered with the corpses of thousands of dead gods And dead religions If you want me to think that the current religions on offer aren't just dead religions that haven't died yet Then I'm all fucking ears, Godel Please, convince me how Islam (et all) isn't just "Greek mythology 2015" Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The point is that it makes no sense in this discussion to make a point that islam or any other religion is mostly nonsense. Apart from the fact that most people around here are atheists as F, it doesn't help in understanding the problem isis poses in any way. It only states the obvious. Yeah, they're a bunch of bad people with silly beliefs. Wow. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 But no, it is not "obvious" Again, ~40% of Americans are creationist Christians I am not attacking a strawman You can act like most people in the world agree with me That most people read holy texts like Joseph Campbell or Alan Watts do And that I'm talking about some tiny minority But you are wrong This is a world-wide problem (and indeed it is a problem) Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 funny, i actually think you're attacking a strawman. you're not discussing with those 40% in this thread, right? that flesh and blood strawman that roams in this thread is mostly atheist. and hardly presents that creationist population you're arguing against. but somehow you need those 40% to make your point? that's your strawman right there. i also don't "act" like most people in the world agree with you. (new strawman of yours?) lets just stick to the discussion in this thread instead of having a discussion with 40% of the us which believes in creationism. who in his right mind would be interested in having a fruitful discussion with them? (while they're not even here?...isnt that the definition of a strawman??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 i got to tell you though. i feel for the people from the us sometimes. especially when they come here arguing against the people they are surrounded with in their daily lives in the us. full of all those frustrations that comes along dealing with the bigotry. please remember there's plenty people here that don't necessarily have similar experiences in their daily lives and are just confused whenever you start to vent your frustrations at them as if they are those bigots you have to deal with every single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I think you're nudging the goal posts a smidge Two atheists are debating to what extant religious beliefs are problematic (or whatever) One says they are, one says they aren't I'm not trying to convince you to be an atheist I'm trying to convince you that religious beliefs are indeed problematic (or whatever) Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 funny, i actually think you're attacking a strawman. you're not discussing with those 40% in this thread, right? that flesh and blood strawman that roams in this thread is mostly atheist. and hardly presents that creationist population you're arguing against. but somehow you need those 40% to make your point? that's your strawman right there. i also don't "act" like most people in the world agree with you. (new strawman of yours?) lets just stick to the discussion in this thread instead of having a discussion with 40% of the us which believes in creationism. who in his right mind would be interested in having a fruitful discussion with them? (while they're not even here?...isnt that the definition of a strawman??) I'm now convinced you're being willfully obtuse (I can piece together bits of our conversation as evidence of such, if you like) Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Edit: will take me a bit on the iPad, though Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 nope. i've seen only one or two people saying to completely leave religion out of it. and numerous people who are somewhere in the grey area. and a couple of supposed hardcore anti-religion people (who, i believe are mostly wailing against the idea that there might be people who dare to think religion has nothing to do with it ... and that idea makes them bloody furious!!!!). i'm somewhere in the grey area. as i've said before. but it's not really about me, is it? (it's that darn strawman again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 funny, i actually think you're attacking a strawman. you're not discussing with those 40% in this thread, right? that flesh and blood strawman that roams in this thread is mostly atheist. and hardly presents that creationist population you're arguing against. but somehow you need those 40% to make your point? that's your strawman right there. i also don't "act" like most people in the world agree with you. (new strawman of yours?) lets just stick to the discussion in this thread instead of having a discussion with 40% of the us which believes in creationism. who in his right mind would be interested in having a fruitful discussion with them? (while they're not even here?...isnt that the definition of a strawman??) I'm now convinced you're being willfully obtuse (I can piece together bits of our conversation as evidence of such, if you like) Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Edit: will take me a bit on the iPad, though Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo we tried that before. wasn't really a succes, was it? something about me using every breath in my body and all. quite poetic. but apart from poetry, hardly any useful substance. please don't do that again. waste of your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 You have not addressed my posts You have said either "what's your point?" or "strawman" You have rather craftily dodged my criticisms of Islam Do you think Muhammad is a good moral example to base a religion around? Do you really see no parallel between ISIS and Muhammad's actions and teachings? Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Alright, let's all take a short intermission to cool off https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&ebc=ANyPxKo0LKpOLVhwW8z6ZuDJRcSApXt5Rp8eyvtK7k_ZZHDb1spZ7J6_F85U5bGfBbZEOA_afqcHa7IKC8HAKpL1Gf_19-UjSg&v=bULmuDafMYM Sent from my pee-pee using poo-poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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