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"Orlando gunman who pledged loyalty to ISIS was ‘homegrown’ extremist radicalized online, Obama says" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/13/police-orlando-gunman-was-cool-and-calm-during-hostage-standoff/?utm_term=.6b4a636e2314 "FBI links Orlando shooter to 2014 suicide bomber" http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2016/06/13/fbi-links-orlando-shooter-suicide-bomber/85818938/ Where American suicide bomber AND the country's worst mass shooter worshiped: Inside the tiny Florida mosque now connected to two terrorists - but whose imam insists is no place for extremism http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639089/Inside-small-Florida-mosque-Orlando-gunman-worshiped.html#ixzz4Bf6NKy00 FBI confirms Orlando shooter claimed links to ISIS & Al-Nusra, cited Boston bomber https://www.rt.com/usa/346562-fbi-orlando-shooter-islamist-investigation/ Organized and planned doesn't have to mean a fleet of tanks with biochemical weapons and 5-10 armed men attacking multiple locations. It can still be homegrown and be an organized, thought out, intentional act inspired by or possibly guided by connections overseas or within local religious communities. I mean the dude pledged allegiance to ISIS- what other motivations would one need to dig for lol I think at this point anyone denying this guy was an Islamic radical or that he held extremist views is naive at best. Just because he may have happened to have been gay, and was in the closet and targeted gays, that doesn't minimize his religious extremism. In fact, if anything religious hardliners (of all faiths) have a problem with gays. So while I think part of the motivation may have been homophobia, I think its safe to say it was a terror attack committed by an Islamic extremist targeting gays. Why is that so hard to fathom? lol "my beef is not at all with people who use those terms or who have rational and legitimate issues with islam, which as I mentioned is a religion rife with all kinds of repulsive ideas and doctrines. What I have a problem with is people who basically just see that a crime was perpetrated by a Muslim and then make lame, half-baked comments about all the problems with Islam and muslims." If you want to consider him "just a Muslim", that's your choice, but I don't think "Muslims in general" pledge allegiance to ISIS, and have these kinds of connections and interests. P.s. never made any half baked comments about problems with Islam and Muslims- this is again, your delusion.

Cmon now Alco, I realize I came in here on a sort of negative note that there wasn't a thread for this particular tragedy, but I quickly remembered, realizing the type of thread I posted it in too, so it kind of makes sense given the sorta bitter attitude toward the U.S. that some of the politically conscious watmm members hold. But anyway, when time and time again, these types of events occur and people discuss them, you seem to want to paint anyone who merely mentions the word Islamic or Islam--when its simply paired with the word extremism or radical--as ignorant or offensive. I find this in itself offensive. It's offensive to the truth, and its offensive to the countless people that have been slaughtered under brutal regimes that belong to those radical, militant schools of thought, for not following their twisted versions of Islam. Just as aggravating, you seem to equate me mentioning those specific terms with me talking about the whole religion in general, which is flat out mischaracterization of myself and twisting my words, and completely uncalled for. I've never once in the history of my posts, mentioned anything remotely negative about the religion as a whole or in general, or its followers--some of whom are close friends of mine. You and several other members constant search to build cases or making a baffoon out of anyone who merely mentions these phrases "Islamic extremism" or "Radical Islam" when simply discussing current events of terrorist acts carried out by either groups or lone people that identify with those movements, is quite frustrating, because we can't even get on the same page about discussing the topic as you refuse to acknowledge real issues and turn people that mention thing or bring them up into some kind of ignoramus. I mean sure, I can omit the phrase and change it to religious fundamentalism, religious extremism or what you'd prefer in order not to be specific and ignore the type of extremism, but you'd better have an academic/logical argument for why ignoring it is more logical or sound to speak in more general terms rather than specific (and you don't), before painting me out as some kind of moron. Stop condoning George Orwell novel realities and spousing 1+1=/= 2 nonsense. Using the phrase "Islamic Extremist" or "Radical Islam" is equivalent to calling apples that have gone rotten, bad apples. You're not giving all apples a bad name when using it, and you're certainly not offending the idea of an apple or what it means to be an apple. All things have negative strains. Stop acting like everything is so pure that it can't have offshoots. Christianity, Judaism, all religions have extremist movements. I'm Jewish, and I'm proud to say that the Satmars (Jewish extremists/fundamentalists) are batshit crazy, completely backwards and have no right to oppress the people they oppress in their neighborhoods. Of course, it's not making constant headlines, but I'll call it out for what it is- just like Abortion clinic bombers are wacko christian fundamentalists. WHY ON EARTH can't we use the same logic and describe the same thing when we discuss the 2nd largest religion in the world? Why?? Please give me a good reason.

it was a lot clearer I thought - all of the elements in the track were - undoubtedly cleaned up the soundcloud version of Cheetah3 ooh i hope cheetah 7 retains that murky lo fi -ness, makes it even more chill (:

Haha totally! I kinda thought the same thing a few times. With his usage of digital warping though and all his abilities with FM synthesis, I almost feel like Rich might have also figured why toy with digital preset stock sounds when he can create whole new worlds so easily? Then again, there is something charming in itself about stock sounds and midi.. Actually, come to think of it, his Melodies From Mars unreleased lp is probably more vaporwave than anything in the genre :D

Lol we just cybered w idm playing in background It was splendid. *inhales cigarette* P.s. Miss u guys.. Come visit the vaporwave thread and say hi sometime :D

Thought you just said it was relevant lol I'm good. Don't feel like starting any threads at the moment, but feel free to if you'd like.

I dont think its unreasonable to complain about the lack of a thread on something.. Watmm does it all the time. And I never said anything about Europeans. its a massive operation to coordinate something like that. No lunatic misanthrope can just buy a gun and easily take out 50 people. There are tactical considerations.

Have you not been following the story? Authorities are saying it was heavily planned and coordinated, the shooter had pledged allegiance to isis and was on a watch list, in addition to the mutilple eyewitness accounts saying there multiple shooters (up to 3). Sure, GoDel, it was just some bored kid who off the wall decided to plan and fund a massive operation that amounted to the largest shooting in US history. And even if it was a lone wolf not connected to any internation terror networks, which I highly doubt, I think its still reasonable to have it discussed. Sorry if it doesnt aualify as a talking point for you, but your opinion is not representative of everyone.

Yeah the Paris attack was crazy shit.. Were you there when it happened? I would be too. But yeah, I don't think we should be afraid either, just aware and smart.

For sure man, and likewise there ^ i was mostly speaking to everyone abstractly there, but yeah , its terribly sad. I had a very visceral vision today where I imagined if I was in that club witnessing the screams and crying, and it made me shudder. So helpless feeling to think that some 29 yr old lunatic took out 50 people cuz of his batshit crazy mission. Like the thought of actually just randomly cutting a bunch of club goers lives short yesterday- all for some warped delusion/mindset, its hard for me to fathom. We're all so desensitized to mass murder at this point that it seems so far away, hollywood esque. I have family and friends in the lgbt community so this struck close to home. And man, gay clubs are some of the most fun places to have a drink and hear great music. I think thats what these psycho terrorists need--some good open hearted expression, funky music and dancing. Dancing, music, and alcohol can solve all the world's problems.

Nah im not really one to start political / current event threads.. I just like to lurk and then chime in here in there as you guys know :P , so i guess i count on the peeps here that typically make those kind of threads to do so. Ya i know hypocritical. But anyway and yeah Mesh- not sure if you were suggesting that to me, but by wanting to see a thread on this im not looking for a place to promote my positions or talk politics, it was more about me wanting to see mass shootings / terror attacks given acknowledgement and discussion as there are plenty of political current event threads on gen ban, so i just found it odd that the largest shooting in US history didnt have one. But then, maybe i should realize most of watmm are not from the US, so its prob more of a tribalist thing, and then of course given there are threads like this one haha, i imagine some of us Muricans might feel shy about "annoying" you guys (you guys meaning watmm members outside the US) with our tragedies for fear that you see it as "rah rah" or even just fear of posting something *****ic extremist-related even if its a massive isis- inspired or connected terror attack, as many members here are offended by even the inclusion of that word in connection to anything remotely negative, let alone terrorism in general. Now Im going off on a rant. But yeah its that fear of being labeled some kind of bloated ignorant greedy american redneck racist for even mentioning the word terrorism. It's quite absurd- i don't find that same odd response in any other community--even the most progressive far left communities im associated with. But I will say with Robbie no longer here, I don't feel as scared of getting bullied and cornered for saying something remotely positive about the west or the slightest bit questioning of oppressive regimes anywhere across the sea lol *waits for ridicule for having even mentioned a current event*

So the Bataclan shooting in Paris gets its own megathread that essentially takes over the entire forum, but barely a peep on the Orlando shooting, and of course no thread? Shameful

uh is bleep gonna re-imburse other US buyers whose cheapest shipping option was $13? unless that was just for the tape? im confused

wow, that actually made me kinda tear up a bit to see just how original and unique of an artist he was even in his early days. this article is incredibly inspiring. thank you.

https://youtu.be/RxCmmgipLTM https://youtu.be/7Q9CVlUCgb8

Thank you guys... Great to see a house thread on here <3 I love all blends of house, from the deepest grimiest lo fi underground to the brightest poppiest "edm" bro'd out newbreed (just no big room BS). But I particularly love my house as diva'd out as possible. Soulful funky latin sun drenched ibiza y2k - 2006 era shit, mates. Like this Milk & Sugar cut right here...

Hey thanks much. Now I bought the cassette. What the hell is wrong with me. Yes thanks for that links. Also they made it 'limited' for a reason, appears to be working anytime yall :)

This place is also selling a batch of 350 cassettes, and it looks like there are some in stock still http://experimedia.net/aphextwin

did u get the tape?

this is incredible. ordered the limited cassette! what a cool collectors item

So rad right?? esp cool little nudge / homage to diy/vw culture :)

I, too, believe it will be H. Possibly somewhere between H, C, and B... but mostly H. :)

Cheetah EP Poll: A. It will be 303-acidy / Analord / Tussy B. It will be Windowlickerish / Syro-ish / Funky / Jazzy C. It will be Analogue Bubblebathy / Bradley Strider / GAKish D. It will be Drukqsy / rdj album / HAB / hi tech idm-dnb / prep piano / orchestral E. It will be ambient F. It will be noisy (early Aphex / Caustic / Smojface etc) G. It will be mysterious and heady techno-break-chill-acid-ambient fusion (SOSW / On / Ventolin / ICBYD/ 26 Mixes) H. It will be none of the above (new next level shit) I. It will be some mashup / combination of any of the above What do you guys think?

yeah good point, and youre prob right. im sure rdj has prob heard of ferraro before, given that he performed at primavera and has been critically acclaimed, but may not necessarily have heard his music. imagine the fusion of styles from far side virtual and syro. #rdjferraro2k17

Thanks purlieu! :D p.s. video from Ludamage + press release coming soon