wahrk Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 (This was originally a post in the IDM/Braindance thread, but it grew too tangential, so here we are.) The classification/nomenclature thing we humans do is pretty nifty. It's one of the things that separates us from other animals. When classifying music, I usually like to approach it in several ways. The largest categories in my system are similar to language classifications (vulgar vs classical): vulgar/folk often social and conservative usually focused on performance/experience learning based on mimicry refined/academic often introspective and experimental usually focused on creation/product learning based on theory/knowledge Examples: vulgar: dance, pop, punk, folk refined: classical, jazz, IDM, various mutant forms of vulgar genres with "experimental" or some such nonsense tacked on more elaboration to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcock Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 i once heard of this thing called like, er, genres or something that helps to put music in nice little groups that help you tell what is quite similar to what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahrk Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share Posted August 10, 2010 i once heard of this thing called like, er, genres or something that helps to put music in nice little groups that help you tell what is quite similar to what. Well of course, but the attributes that separate music in the manner I mentioned are not really reflected by today's set of genres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 i know of two genres: the one that my ears enjoy and the other one they really don't. genres only exist to make easy our search for illegal downloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretstik Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Next time someone asks me what I like I genuinely think it'd be pretty cool to them I prefer 'refined/academic' music. Sounds better than my usual vague replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahrk Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share Posted August 10, 2010 "conscious" vs "unconscious" may be another way to label the difference I'm going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40days Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 i know of two genres: the one that my ears enjoy and the other one they really don't. genres only exist to make easy our search for illegal downloads. I find replies like this funny. If you don't want to analyze art, then don't, but why interfere with those who want to? Surely you group your music somehow as well, maybe even without thinking about it, for example according to your mood or the weather outside. Sad music? Happy music? Summer music? Winter music? Or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Z_B_Z Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 vulgar/folk often social and conservative usually focused on performance/experience learning based on mimicry conservative? the content is often times quite radical. maybe im misunderstanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 "conscious" vs "unconscious" may be another way to label the difference I'm going for. I see what you're saying. But this brings about the same argument as that with IDM (intelligent versus non-intelligent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 i know of two genres: the one that my ears enjoy and the other one they really don't. genres only exist to make easy our search for illegal downloads. I find replies like this funny. If you don't want to analyze art, then don't, but why interfere with those who want to? Surely you group your music somehow as well, maybe even without thinking about it, for example according to your mood or the weather outside. Sad music? Happy music? Summer music? Winter music? Or am I wrong? look, you must think that my reply came from a first time thinking about this, but it didn't. i think about genres (and lets consider not just music, but art in general) constantly. i have thought about them so much that, at this point, i don't really care anymore. when you consider a specific genre and you see things through its perspective, you tend to lose the singular and unique ideas that exist in specific music, in painting, in architecture and the examples go on and on. i am not against genres, not at all. i just see that not thinking about them can be a way of freeing yourself and enjoying things much more. that's why my only experience of genre has been simplified to a list on itunes so i can keep music organized. as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 my music folder is mainly separated into two camps, classical and booty bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahrk Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share Posted August 10, 2010 vulgar/folk often social and conservative usually focused on performance/experience learning based on mimicry conservative? the content is often times quite radical. maybe im misunderstanding Perhaps conservative wasn't the best term. I guess what I was was really going for was, "embracing the current structure". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doorjamb Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 "conscious" vs "unconscious" may be another way to label the difference I'm going for. into which of these categories would you put minimal/ambient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahrk Posted August 11, 2010 Author Share Posted August 11, 2010 "conscious" vs "unconscious" may be another way to label the difference I'm going for. into which of these categories would you put minimal/ambient? It could fall under either depending on the artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Backson Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 i don't like those categories, surely they stem from trying to analyse the artist, the context and the other outside factors beyond the actual features of the music? in which case, their practicality is little unless you wanted to study the psychology behind music making and music culture. more to the point, its a little pretentious to try to categories music as though similar styles come from similar states of mind. I mean, there are definately ambient and noise artists who are just following the trend set by others, but since their genre happens to be formless then they get an free pass to "refined". Its like saying "Apex Twin is refined because his music is more cleverer", highly objective and not solid grounds for categorisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahrk Posted August 11, 2010 Author Share Posted August 11, 2010 i don't like those categories, surely they stem from trying to analyse the artist, the context and the other outside factors beyond the actual features of the music? in which case, their practicality is little unless you wanted to study the psychology behind music making and music culture. more to the point, its a little pretentious to try to categories music as though similar styles come from similar states of mind. I mean, there are definately ambient and noise artists who are just following the trend set by others, but since their genre happens to be formless then they get an free pass to "refined". Its like saying "Apex Twin is refined because his music is more cleverer", highly objective and not solid grounds for categorisation. Well yes, this method attempts to categorize based on approach/method (not in execution, mind you, but conception), which I think is fairly evident in almost all music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Backson Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 fair enough. like i said, I don't find that very practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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