Ivan Ooze Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg Well of course there is the possibility of that, but the point is you're taking risks no matter which way you choose to pursue help. The poor bugger has been on adderall since he was 13? ANd I'm guessing he's in his early 20s at least? And now even more problems are arising from him coming off the stuff. If I was him I'd say fuck these idiots I'm trying something else. Alternative medicin/therapy, self therapy etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keltoi Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg And now even more problems are arising from him coming off the stuff. it's called withdrawal. let him get through that before 'prescribing' lsd from your armchair... internets indeed. withdrawal symptoms from long-term pharm abuse can be extremely mind-fucky... i'm sure this spell of dread will pass with at least a couple of weeks abstinence... if it doesn't, definitely see a doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg And now even more problems are arising from him coming off the stuff. it's called withdrawal. let him get through that before 'prescribing' lsd from your armchair... internets indeed. withdrawal symptoms from long-term pharm abuse can be extremely mind-fucky... i'm sure this spell of dread will pass with at least a couple of weeks abstinence... if it doesn't, definitely see a doctor. I'm putting forward an idea that's all. Yeah go see a doctor again for more expensive conversations and more addictive meds. Great idea. It's not just the lsd I'm talking about, it's the general idea of self help. And lsd is a fucking powerful tool for exactly this. But also things like meditation, self regulated routines, healthy eating, exercise above all etc. The feeling of embarking on something that is your own solution to your own problems is a huge mental boost as opposed to being at the mercy of doctors and their meds. You can easily cut out the middle man here IMO. Yeah doctors might have seen similar episodes before in their career, but unless they've been inside that persons head throughout their entire lives documenting this and that, they are in no better position than the patient himself to be able to sort things out. I think way too many people but their full trust in doctors and prescribed medicines. I've known people who have ended up with a whole fucking pharmacy box of chemical kosh they have to take every day at certain times of the day; one medicine for the symptoms of the previous medicine and so forth. And all stemming from some light depression mixed with ADHD like symptoms. Talk about much ado about nothing. Just the act of being "diagnosed" with a certain illness is akin to kicking someone while their down. They know something is wrong, and as soon as they're diagnosed it can become like a stigmata upon them, putting them in a certain box with hundreds of others, taking the same medication, adding to their feelings of alienation and nullification. Problems like depression normally stem from something personal, so to cure this ailment YOU YOURSELF need to delve back inside your mind that you've become afraid of and see all these things in a new light. A doctor can say anything and most people will trust him , taking the doctor's word over your own releases you of any responsibility you ought to have over yourself and your thoughts/emotions, but what does he know about YOU? He sees hundreds of patients all the time for Gods sake, how the hell is he humanly able to properly know what is going on/has gone on in people's heads/lives? Fucking impossible. lsd and mushrooms HAVE been used in actual psychiatry to help patients help themselves, unfortunatley it seems there is minimal research going on in the area partly because of it's illicit nature and because as long as it is illegal no one can make money on it and they'd sooner see people ingest their already available mind dulling drugs that at best will make you forget your problems (not face and overcome them) and at worst turn you into a nullified addict without having given any insight into the actual nature of the problems. 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SR4 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, see a doctor or two to get a second professional opinion and weigh the evidence yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltoi Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg And now even more problems are arising from him coming off the stuff. it's called withdrawal. let him get through that before 'prescribing' lsd from your armchair... internets indeed. withdrawal symptoms from long-term pharm abuse can be extremely mind-fucky... i'm sure this spell of dread will pass with at least a couple of weeks abstinence... if it doesn't, definitely see a doctor. I'm putting forward an idea that's all. Yeah go see a doctor again for more expensive conversations and more addictive meds. Great idea. It's not just the lsd I'm talking about, it's the general idea of self help. And lsd is a fucking powerful tool for exactly this. But also things like meditation, self regulated routines, healthy eating, exercise above all etc. The feeling of embarking on something that is your own solution to your own problems is a huge mental boost as opposed to being at the mercy of doctors and their meds. You can easily cut out the middle man here IMO. Yeah doctors might have seen similar episodes before in their career, but unless they've been inside that persons head throughout their entire lives documenting this and that, they are in no better position than the patient himself to be able to sort things out. I think way too many people but their full trust in doctors and prescribed medicines. I've known people who have ended up with a whole fucking pharmacy box of chemical kosh they have to take every day at certain times of the day; one medicine for the symptoms of the previous medicine and so forth. And all stemming from some light depression mixed with ADHD like symptoms. Talk about much ado about nothing. Just the act of being "diagnosed" with a certain illness is akin to kicking someone while their down. They know something is wrong, and as soon as they're diagnosed it can become like a stigmata upon them, putting them in a certain box with hundreds of others, taking the same medication, adding to their feelings of alienation and nullification. Problems like depression normally stem from something personal, so to cure this ailment YOU YOURSELF need to delve back inside your mind that you've become afraid of and see all these things in a new light. A doctor can say anything and most people will trust him , taking the doctor's word over your own releases you of any responsibility you ought to have over yourself and your thoughts/emotions, but what does he know about YOU? He sees hundreds of patients all the time for Gods sake, how the hell is he humanly able to properly know what is going on/has gone on in people's heads/lives? Fucking impossible. lsd and mushrooms HAVE been used in actual psychiatry to help patients help themselves, unfortunatley it seems there is minimal research going on in the area partly because of it's illicit nature and because as long as it is illegal no one can make money on it and they'd sooner see people ingest their already available mind dulling drugs that at best will make you forget your problems (not face and overcome them) and at worst turn you into a nullified addict without having given any insight into the actual nature of the problems. what you're saying is not totally meritless by any means but it's rediculously idealistic to suggest that a guy who's having major anxiety issues, depression and severe panic attacks should shun all medical advice and trip headlong into the wilderness with nothing but a notebook and pencil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamos scorcho Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 just get off the amphetamines, exercise, sleep, and eat healthy for 3 weeks. it will probably go away within the first or second week. if that fails, see a doctor after no more than 3 weeks of exercising, sleeping right, and eating healthy, and not taking amphetamines. what you're saying is not totally meritless by any means but it's rediculously idealistic to suggest that a guy who's having major anxiety issues, depression and severe panic attacks should shun all medical advice and trip headlong into the wilderness with nothing but a notebook and pencil. yes, idiotic. most of us can agree that hallucinogens serve a purpose in some way, but for a person in a bad state of mind, it's one of the worst things you can do, that will only drive you further into that bad state, sometimes for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamos scorcho Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 as for me personally, I've noticed that after taking Adderall regularly for a few months, I can get really fucking irritable at certain times. the past two weekends I found myself basically ranting at people uncontrollably, seriously like Nic Cage in Bad Lieutenant. well, not quite that insane. But I would just forget to control my temper and I'd go off on these ridiculously angry rants at people I thought were slighting me. I recall a similar thing happening to me on vyvanse, where the slightest sound or distraction from my work would make my head jolt and my blood pressure start to rise. not healthy. not advocating or arguing against using these drugs overall, just stating the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg And now even more problems are arising from him coming off the stuff. it's called withdrawal. let him get through that before 'prescribing' lsd from your armchair... internets indeed. withdrawal symptoms from long-term pharm abuse can be extremely mind-fucky... i'm sure this spell of dread will pass with at least a couple of weeks abstinence... if it doesn't, definitely see a doctor. I'm putting forward an idea that's all. Yeah go see a doctor again for more expensive conversations and more addictive meds. Great idea. It's not just the lsd I'm talking about, it's the general idea of self help. And lsd is a fucking powerful tool for exactly this. But also things like meditation, self regulated routines, healthy eating, exercise above all etc. The feeling of embarking on something that is your own solution to your own problems is a huge mental boost as opposed to being at the mercy of doctors and their meds. You can easily cut out the middle man here IMO. Yeah doctors might have seen similar episodes before in their career, but unless they've been inside that persons head throughout their entire lives documenting this and that, they are in no better position than the patient himself to be able to sort things out. I think way too many people but their full trust in doctors and prescribed medicines. I've known people who have ended up with a whole fucking pharmacy box of chemical kosh they have to take every day at certain times of the day; one medicine for the symptoms of the previous medicine and so forth. And all stemming from some light depression mixed with ADHD like symptoms. Talk about much ado about nothing. Just the act of being "diagnosed" with a certain illness is akin to kicking someone while their down. They know something is wrong, and as soon as they're diagnosed it can become like a stigmata upon them, putting them in a certain box with hundreds of others, taking the same medication, adding to their feelings of alienation and nullification. Problems like depression normally stem from something personal, so to cure this ailment YOU YOURSELF need to delve back inside your mind that you've become afraid of and see all these things in a new light. A doctor can say anything and most people will trust him , taking the doctor's word over your own releases you of any responsibility you ought to have over yourself and your thoughts/emotions, but what does he know about YOU? He sees hundreds of patients all the time for Gods sake, how the hell is he humanly able to properly know what is going on/has gone on in people's heads/lives? Fucking impossible. lsd and mushrooms HAVE been used in actual psychiatry to help patients help themselves, unfortunatley it seems there is minimal research going on in the area partly because of it's illicit nature and because as long as it is illegal no one can make money on it and they'd sooner see people ingest their already available mind dulling drugs that at best will make you forget your problems (not face and overcome them) and at worst turn you into a nullified addict without having given any insight into the actual nature of the problems. what you're saying is not totally meritless by any means but it's rediculously idealistic to suggest that a guy who's having major anxiety issues, depression and severe panic attacks should shun all medical advice and trip headlong into the wilderness with nothing but a notebook and pencil. Idealistic yes, total meritless no. A bit crazy yes! But it could just do the trick. Depression and most mental illness in itself is the mind tricking itself into thinking everything is a mess. I'm sure lsd can help unravel this mess. What do you think your sacred medical experts base their theories on throughout the ages: experiments and new thinking ideas. Are you still saying that lsd cannot help people sort out their emotions? Or what exactly according to you doesn't have merit about what I said? And are you still defending medical doctors who prescribed amfetamine like drugs to children? I simply wouldn't trust anyone who's got it into their head that something like that is any good for anyone. The point is you've gotta face your demons at one point or another YOURSELF, so get it the fuck over with instead of beating about the bush with therapy and dumbing down meds. This is the last I'm gonna say on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg And now even more problems are arising from him coming off the stuff. it's called withdrawal. let him get through that before 'prescribing' lsd from your armchair... internets indeed. withdrawal symptoms from long-term pharm abuse can be extremely mind-fucky... i'm sure this spell of dread will pass with at least a couple of weeks abstinence... if it doesn't, definitely see a doctor. I'm putting forward an idea that's all. Yeah go see a doctor again for more expensive conversations and more addictive meds. Great idea. It's not just the lsd I'm talking about, it's the general idea of self help. And lsd is a fucking powerful tool for exactly this. But also things like meditation, self regulated routines, healthy eating, exercise above all etc. The feeling of embarking on something that is your own solution to your own problems is a huge mental boost as opposed to being at the mercy of doctors and their meds. You can easily cut out the middle man here IMO. Yeah doctors might have seen similar episodes before in their career, but unless they've been inside that persons head throughout their entire lives documenting this and that, they are in no better position than the patient himself to be able to sort things out. I think way too many people but their full trust in doctors and prescribed medicines. I've known people who have ended up with a whole fucking pharmacy box of chemical kosh they have to take every day at certain times of the day; one medicine for the symptoms of the previous medicine and so forth. And all stemming from some light depression mixed with ADHD like symptoms. Talk about much ado about nothing. Just the act of being "diagnosed" with a certain illness is akin to kicking someone while their down. They know something is wrong, and as soon as they're diagnosed it can become like a stigmata upon them, putting them in a certain box with hundreds of others, taking the same medication, adding to their feelings of alienation and nullification. Problems like depression normally stem from something personal, so to cure this ailment YOU YOURSELF need to delve back inside your mind that you've become afraid of and see all these things in a new light. A doctor can say anything and most people will trust him , taking the doctor's word over your own releases you of any responsibility you ought to have over yourself and your thoughts/emotions, but what does he know about YOU? He sees hundreds of patients all the time for Gods sake, how the hell is he humanly able to properly know what is going on/has gone on in people's heads/lives? Fucking impossible. lsd and mushrooms HAVE been used in actual psychiatry to help patients help themselves, unfortunatley it seems there is minimal research going on in the area partly because of it's illicit nature and because as long as it is illegal no one can make money on it and they'd sooner see people ingest their already available mind dulling drugs that at best will make you forget your problems (not face and overcome them) and at worst turn you into a nullified addict without having given any insight into the actual nature of the problems. what you're saying is not totally meritless by any means but it's rediculously idealistic to suggest that a guy who's having major anxiety issues, depression and severe panic attacks should shun all medical advice and trip headlong into the wilderness with nothing but a notebook and pencil. Idealistic yes, total meritless no. A bit crazy yes! But it could just do the trick. or it could send him over the edge. OP, do not listen to AJW. 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keltoi Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 YO303, My advice is that you go to see your doc and tell him the specifics. There are a number of things that could be going on here which are not life-threatening but could be easily helped by the right diagnosis/prescription (cbt therapy is considered a prescription for example). I'm not sure of the time-line of all this but if you stopped taking the adderall BEFORE the paranoid feelings/obsessions with life line then there's a great chance that what you're experiencing is withdrawal symptoms. If they started happening BEFORE then you may have a secondary issue that needs to be resolved OR the adderall is too much or too little. If you're dealing with recurring panic attacks I suggest you see a doc as soon as you can because there are certain concepts you need to learn so that you can deal with these attackss PROPERLY before too many silly cognitions (beliefs, interpretations, assumptions, etc) get reinforced. best possible advice. Fuck, doesn't everyone have unresolved issues/guilt etc? The point is (and depending on your goals in life) you can either go down the therapist/doctor/prescribed meds road and put your trust in all of that. Or you can attempt to sort out your problems by yourself. The latter could include good healthy benders on psychoactives that will enable you to see your own problems in a new light and this will ordinarily give you a huge amount of clarity on subjects that have been clouded and boosted out of all proportion by a long running negative state of mind and depression like tendencies. However it could also affect you negatively. It's a bit of a gamble, but so is the first choice. At least with the latter choice, you are empowered by the fact that you alone have attempted to solve the problems which after all are inside your own head and ultimately you're the only one who can 100% solve. nonsense. physically and mentally impossible to cure your personal ills 100% on your own. There are always cultural, societal, pressure inputs on hundreds of levels. trying a little bit of both options to determine which is best, or using the two interchangeably is certainly a possibility. The fact that there are outside influences goes without saying I don't even understand why you bring that to the discussion. What do the outside influences have to do with not being able to cure yourself (mentally) Im bringing that up because its often our inability to recognize triggers for negative/unhealthy behavior individually that would make seeking out help in other ways well worth the effort. Self-improvement is great, of course, but simply stating that you will discipline yourself by yourself may work, but it may also set you up for a disastrous failure and relapse of depressive behavior if it doesn't work out. lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . internets dawg And now even more problems are arising from him coming off the stuff. it's called withdrawal. let him get through that before 'prescribing' lsd from your armchair... internets indeed. withdrawal symptoms from long-term pharm abuse can be extremely mind-fucky... i'm sure this spell of dread will pass with at least a couple of weeks abstinence... if it doesn't, definitely see a doctor. I'm putting forward an idea that's all. Yeah go see a doctor again for more expensive conversations and more addictive meds. Great idea. It's not just the lsd I'm talking about, it's the general idea of self help. And lsd is a fucking powerful tool for exactly this. But also things like meditation, self regulated routines, healthy eating, exercise above all etc. The feeling of embarking on something that is your own solution to your own problems is a huge mental boost as opposed to being at the mercy of doctors and their meds. You can easily cut out the middle man here IMO. Yeah doctors might have seen similar episodes before in their career, but unless they've been inside that persons head throughout their entire lives documenting this and that, they are in no better position than the patient himself to be able to sort things out. I think way too many people but their full trust in doctors and prescribed medicines. I've known people who have ended up with a whole fucking pharmacy box of chemical kosh they have to take every day at certain times of the day; one medicine for the symptoms of the previous medicine and so forth. And all stemming from some light depression mixed with ADHD like symptoms. Talk about much ado about nothing. Just the act of being "diagnosed" with a certain illness is akin to kicking someone while their down. They know something is wrong, and as soon as they're diagnosed it can become like a stigmata upon them, putting them in a certain box with hundreds of others, taking the same medication, adding to their feelings of alienation and nullification. Problems like depression normally stem from something personal, so to cure this ailment YOU YOURSELF need to delve back inside your mind that you've become afraid of and see all these things in a new light. A doctor can say anything and most people will trust him , taking the doctor's word over your own releases you of any responsibility you ought to have over yourself and your thoughts/emotions, but what does he know about YOU? He sees hundreds of patients all the time for Gods sake, how the hell is he humanly able to properly know what is going on/has gone on in people's heads/lives? Fucking impossible. lsd and mushrooms HAVE been used in actual psychiatry to help patients help themselves, unfortunatley it seems there is minimal research going on in the area partly because of it's illicit nature and because as long as it is illegal no one can make money on it and they'd sooner see people ingest their already available mind dulling drugs that at best will make you forget your problems (not face and overcome them) and at worst turn you into a nullified addict without having given any insight into the actual nature of the problems. what you're saying is not totally meritless by any means but it's rediculously idealistic to suggest that a guy who's having major anxiety issues, depression and severe panic attacks should shun all medical advice and trip headlong into the wilderness with nothing but a notebook and pencil. Idealistic yes, total meritless no. A bit crazy yes! But it could just do the trick. Depression and most mental illness in itself is the mind tricking itself into thinking everything is a mess. I'm sure lsd can help unravel this mess. What do you think your sacred medical experts base their theories on throughout the ages: experiments and new thinking ideas. Are you still saying that lsd cannot help people sort out their emotions? Or what exactly according to you doesn't have merit about what I said? And are you still defending medical doctors who prescribed amfetamine like drugs to children? I simply wouldn't trust anyone who's got it into their head that something like that is any good for anyone. The point is you've gotta face your demons at one point or another YOURSELF, so get it the fuck over with instead of beating about the bush with therapy and dumbing down meds. This is the last I'm gonna say on this subject. i said NOT totally meritless. meaning i have seen/can see positive effects from taking lsd in the right circumstances... but these are not the right circumstances. at no point have i defended nor even held in high regard 'medical doctors' but in this case i'd urge YO303 to try and find a good doc before heeding any of your bullcrap. what you're now basically saying is depressed, anxious people shouldn't need help, it's all in their head and all down to them, just pull yourself to fuckin gether! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 do not listen to ajw. psychedelics are a terrible idea for someone who is showing obsessive behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 does anyone else see the disturbing irony of switching out "quack" doctors prescribing synthetic amphetamine compounds for powerful synthetic hallucinogenic compounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . this isn't just "the internet." this is a community with real people. if you don't want to add to that, you don't have to, but please do not criticize folks who want to engage in authentic social interaction instead of anonymous shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 lol wow it sure is easy to 1. troll the internet 2. Act like you'r a therapist / patient on the internet 3. become one with the internet and watch amateur porn good luck! . this isn't just "the internet." this is a community with real people. if you don't want to add to that, you don't have to, but please do not criticize folks who want to engage in authentic social interaction instead of anonymous shenanigans. you are right, i don't mean to offend anyone with my dumb post, i just think yo303 is trolling for your reactions, at least i hope he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 eh, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. but id like to think he's genuine, and even if he isn't, the discussions on the subject are always beneficial to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Altough Yo303 is a dick, his posts are razorsharp and funny so i don't think he's that mentally ill but wtf do i know, i have love and respect for everyone on watmm here btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Some of the most razorsharp funny people around have a mental illness, so I wouldn't use that as a disqualifier. If anything it means that person has a more creative way of viewing the world and is more prone to these things. I think the OP is being genuine and hope he can sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 AJW - I appreciate your advice but i have done psychedelics before and i agree with everyone that's saying is not a good idea for someone in my state of mind to psychedelics. I'm not trying to offend you here but your posts sound like Joe Rogan, he thinks everyone should just do mushrooms and in my opinion thats a fucking irresponsible message to send out, thats why we end up with people like Brain Wilson who take acid while dealing mental issues such as depression or anxiety. Ivan - If i were trolling my OP would be something like " I went to the supermarket the other day and everyone there had the face of Martin Scorsese .. Am i going crazy? " ----- I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with this, i like the idea of finding a new project to work on and keep my mind as busy and possible. Another thing that i'm trying to figure out is how a logical person all of the sudden takes palm reading seriously and lives in fear because of an ancient interpretation of fucking lines in the palm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd syside Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Any updates from the shadow people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 I haven't experience sleep paralysis since i started taking melatonin but when this whole palm reading bullshit started i sleep for like 2-3 hours a night so i don't even have a chance to experience sleep paralysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Franklin Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 errrr 303 I would seriously listen to my earlier post and forget the others. there may be some fairly simple medical things going on here that have to be reviewed by a physician. Does it cost you money to go to a physician to review your medications where you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd syside Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Holy fuck this page takes awhile to scroll. My advice, which is shit, so don't listen to me, but run or bike a lot, stop giving a shit about your palm readings, I know u know this but it will lead to more paranoia, eat right (very important) ie eat like meat and fruit and veggies, creative projects, watch movies like one flew over the cuckcoos nest, cause like they be real crazy people in there, contrast there will make you feel more sane and indulge in doing fun shit all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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