awepittance Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 http://forumnet.ircam.fr/en/product/modalys/ Modalys is an environment used to create virtual instruments using simple physical objects such as strings, plates, tubes, membranes, plectra, bows, and hammers. It is also possible to create objects with more complex forms by creating a three-dimensional mesh, or using measurements and Modalys calculates how these will vibrate for you. By combining these different physical objects, the user creates a virtual instrument and decides how it will be played. OpenMusic (Modalys Library) and Max/MSP (Mlys) offer a simpler mode of communication with Modalys, the synthesis engine, via an intuitive graphical interface. http://forumnet.ircam.fr/en/product/audiosculpt/ After an analysis phase, the user modifies directly the result of the analysis in order to apply the desired changes to the sound. The main types of sound modification are: filtering, cross synthesis and dilation or compression of time and copy-paste of time-frequency zones. AudioSculpt is powered by multiple engines : SuperVP (Super Phase Vocoder), Pm2 (Partial Manager 2) andIrcamBeat (Ircam Beat detector). AudioSculpt can also script SuperVP or Pm2 command line applications directly using its console view, wich allows to access powerfull DSP functions unreachable by the GUI. http://forumnet.ircam.fr/en/product/catart-standalone/ The Standalone CataRT Application, a concatenative real-time sound synthesis system, plays grains from a large corpus of segmented and descriptor-analyzed sounds according to proximity to a target position in the descriptor space, controlled by a mouse or by external controllers. This can be seen as a content-based extension to granular synthesis providing direct access to specific sound characteristics. Interaction is made possible via a simple interface featuring a 2D representation descriptor parameter space using mouse navigation where the sound grains (samples) are selected and played as a function of geometrical proximity. I've heard the name IRCAM for years and wrongly assumed all their software war private or for people who were granted access. Has anybody tried any of these? Looks like some of it has trial versions and eager to check them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 holy shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I never knew any of their stuff was available to the public, goddamn. looks very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 i could be mistaken but there doesn't seem to be anything stopping one from buying it outright. I created a login just to test it out and I was able to get to a screen where they wanted me to put in my credit card info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RadarJammer Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 kinda weird they don't have PC stuff too when using cross platform environment like max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 probably because they developed their own objects specifically using osx libraries. I can't imagine any of these are just simple load into max and run type of patches, they probably all have a very tailored set of custom C++ or other objects that drive them edit: just remembered seeing a cross synthesis morph program too although can't find it on their site now. From the description it sounded like it could even be superior to the Kyma algorithms for morphing of one sound into another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 YeSSS I was trying to do this with CAD-software some time ago, which was quite cumbersome to say the least. Thanks John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RadarJammer Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 they also have a max for live series http://ircamax.ircam.fr/ircamax_home.html?L=1 also mac only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 But they've also got lisp libraries that only need max/msp as far as I can tell from their site. Finally a good reason to try and learn lisp :P Any audio examples btw? Where did you see they're mac-only btw? They've got some more commercial vst-plugins they're selling via flux (fluxhome.com) that work on windows AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 yeah the windows plugins are more mastering and mixing tools. Seems like all the really ridiculous experimental stuff is mac only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Sound examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcinsu Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 My coworker just told me about this yesterday. I was going to mention it to you JE. Funny how things line up. Let me know what you think of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblequadrat Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Modalys looks awesome. Could someone recommend any composers affiliated with IRCAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 the granular thing looks neet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Sound examples? modalys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudbreaker Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 But they've also got lisp libraries that only need max/msp as far as I can tell from their site. Finally a good reason to try and learn lisp :P Any audio examples btw? Where did you see they're mac-only btw? They've got some more commercial vst-plugins they're selling via flux (fluxhome.com) that work on windows AFAIK. where da lisp? Me wants. Also, off topic, so many reasons to learn lisp :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 But they've also got lisp libraries that only need max/msp as far as I can tell from their site. Finally a good reason to try and learn lisp :P Any audio examples btw? Where did you see they're mac-only btw? They've got some more commercial vst-plugins they're selling via flux (fluxhome.com) that work on windows AFAIK. where da lisp? Me wants. Also, off topic, so many reasons to learn lisp :) In Modalys, the textual language Lisp is used to pilot the physical models of the instruments. The user writes and executes the Lisp program in order to obtain a musical result. The OpenMusic program (IRCAM) makes it possible to control the models graphically (control via a score or curve editors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Modalys has always made me drool. Ircam sure takes its time . and they dont care if the public is interested. Looks amazing tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldszenen Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I've used catArt a bit before- it's very handy. Audiosculpt isn't really any better than Spear and I know that a lot of people associated with using it have jumped ship. Oddly the most impressive stuff they have (imo) is when a live sound is used to trigger something. Best example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_x4cKIXgo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I've used catArt a bit before- it's very handy. Audiosculpt isn't really any better than Spear and I know that a lot of people associated with using it have jumped ship. Oddly the most impressive stuff they have (imo) is when a live sound is used to trigger something. Best example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_x4cKIXgo Now that's what I call a good post. Thanks a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldszenen Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Modalys looks awesome. Could someone recommend any composers affiliated with IRCAM? Boulez (who set the place up), Tristan Murail, Jonathan Harvey, Georg Friedrich Haas... basically anyone "spectral". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Very cool concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 thanks for the info. Since you clearly have an inside track on this software (and props to you for that) how would you say Modalys compares to other physical modeling software or hardware sound quality wise? it looks a little more DIY than most other physical modeling environments which is what interests me about it. I'm also pretty curious about the cross synthesis / spectral morphing software. I've used the Kyma system for this in the past but always found that it required a lot of cumbersome configuration to get a smooth morph (and even in those cases, i never made one as good sounding as the demos on their website)What actually got me to go to the Ircam website in the first place was an Aturia instrument called brass supposedly based off Ircam research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 IRCAMAX would be really interesting. I have checked the GRMTools once and wasn't very pleased. They offer nothing you can not arrange with the Essentials or Pluggo M4L pack already.Seems I have to invest some money into these. At least I found a order site- their webpage is totally confusing:http://forumnet.ircam.fr/shop/en/forumnet/55-ircamax-collection.htmlToo bad you cannot purchase single devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldszenen Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'll have to disappoint you and say I have absolutely no idea. I'm only familiar with one or two bits of gear, mainly OpenMusic and more recently Orchidee and those are very much geared towards the writing of notes on a page more than any kind of synthesis. However I do know that they give courses there and if you sign up to the forum you're entitled to go along to those (either for free or at a discount rate)... although as I'm only now noticing your location that isn't too helpful. You thought of checking the music department of the nearest decent university? They usually have an electroacoustic composition guy nowadays who could field your questions properly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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