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dgoHn - Ninnyhammer (Djrum mix) Thought it'd make sense to post the title, too. Makes it easier to search in this thread. Probably pointless in a thread that's been going for 11 years..

I always thought it was just them. This has maybe been discussed elsewhere on this board. And yes, after listening to London B, I am even more convinced. They probably built some Max patch that does all this insane scratching based on some number flow input. And it would make more sense to put out a one hour jam of this under the Gescom disguise. That jam is killer, loved hearing all these old school samples! And hearing the "fresh" sample in London B gave me a BIG smile! I've only really started listening to AE_Live 2022 these last few days, my summer was dominated by Ceephax. The 27m-42m section in HELSINKI reminds me of tt1pd, maybe some distant cousin..? The intensity is different, but the fingernails-slidin'-down-the-washboard hats, the insane buzzy synths later on.. Maybe thinking of Autechre in terms of tracks just doesn't make sense anymore.. Even with the albums. Maybe, since at least the 2014/2015 live stuff, it's all just Autechre in it's purest form. This shit is free.... Completely unfettered.

I think (pure conjecture) they have always preferred it this way, and that they just became more and more conscious about it. Or maybe they always wanted, and just became big enough to demand this? I've seen them live since 2005. It always seemed like they had minimal lighting. With some gigs, it was really obvious: Acts before or after them would sometimes have more active light shows and laser stuff. But Autechre kept it minimal. It really does suit the music well as it can be so disorienting and weird and fluid, it enhances the experience and really opens up the room. With light, the room is finite(simply because you see the walls), in the darkness, it becomes infinite. Did you know the Egyptians built their temples so that you would traverse section after section, and they were specifically built so that each following section had less and less natural light. Until you reached the final inner sanctum, to which only the Pharaoh had access. This was a "going back in time" to the infinite dark ocean that was the beginning of the Egyptian creation myth. After the ritual, the Pharaoh would return to the world of now, traversing the sections in reverse, gradually walking through more and more light, cleansed, reconnecting them with the present, but also with their divine ancestry. Ehm... It's like this somehow. We're allowed to go back to some pure dark chaos, where life is only just beginning to form. Pure potential, first motion, anything could happen as the elements begin to separate and reconfigure, which is exactly what these Autechre live things, especially since 2016, sound like to me. I liked that Sean mentioned "ancient" sounding music in the twitch AMAs. If you'd prefer a shitpost for an answer: Duo of neurodivergents makes neurodivergent music, so they have to create a neurodivergent environment so they don't get overstimulated by their own music.

And the Ceephax one.. We need a flexible copypasta where we only have to fill in the name of the artist in question.

@djimbe It's one of those gut-wrenchingly sad and beautiful ae tracks. Definitely way up there in my personal ae favs as well. The progression never fails to amaze me. Sound design is unique and incredible. Masterful track.

Didn't know there was a film called Hagazussa. Good title, thanks for mentioning! Trailer looks intriguing, too.

Meet me outside the venue for extra special deals! All shirts available in all sizes (except L). Follow the sign that reads AUFFICIAL OTECHRE FAN SHOP

Nice, really enjoying this! First buy of the week. Release text is painful though, as has been noted before itt.

Watched Aliens again this weekend. Yes, it's fun. But I realized that I see the first Alien as completely separate from the franchise. I don't need any explanations, lore, backstory, or fan-fiction to enjoy the first one. It is perfect as it is, as a self-enclosed horror story about something that is fundamentally inexplicable, something that is ALIEN in every possible way. Aliens did a good move by shifting the tone and genre, but it's somewhat lame to suddenly see these creatures just blown to pieces by guns.

I am not listening to any of these 2023 recordings until the Dublin gig in October. Bought my ticket many weeks ago, and am extremely hyped!! First time seeing them live since 2016. And this time, I am on a full-time employment contract. Gonna clear the entire merch stand you hear me?!?

Maddocks MADDOCKS SKCODDAM SK______AM wtf?? Never noticed. Is this a coincidence??

Absolutely beauteous. There's a special place in my heart, and it's reserved for exactly this type of melancholic Industrial Funk on SKAM.

The whole grains vs refined sugars analogy is a good one. If something (at least seemingly) complex makes you curious instead of ignoring it, if the feeling of disorientation isn't too much for you and it actually encourages you to try again, then there's a whole lot to enjoy about music or any art that isn't immediately obvious. Maybe it's something to do with what is called brain plasticity. Been said before in this discussion but I guess some brains just enjoy breaking down and digesting things more than others. Wait.. The brain even looks a bit like the intestines, doesn't it? What with all these folds and wrinkles.. Anyway, I don't judge people over this, to each their own. Just funny sometimes when you see it in action. I was at the beach with a friend this weekend and we looked at the sea and the sky and she turned some music on because, as she said, she "really likes this vibe". I was surprised to hear a pop song, I would have put on something a lot different. Which reminds me of your post again.. Thinking about this a bit more I can see that I actually can connect easily to something that is more abstract and has no vocals because then, the music doesn't come with a prescribed emotion. It allows me to explore and experience my emotional response instead of someone telling me how I feel. My emotional response might even deviate from what the artist intended or feels about it themselves. But if it's pure music it hits me right where I feel it. This can never err. This does in no way mean that I don't listen to music with vocals; There's a lot that I love deeply. But vocals and lyrics are always expressions and translations from feeling to thought, while instrumental music is straight feeling. I might really very often connect emotionally to shapes moving around.. Don't know what that says about me. I found geometry extremely fascinating back in kindergarten already. But to round this off, let me post an example of music with vocals that really does it for me (It had to be Blues, didn't it? ).

I need VHS Head stickers. What do? My tape didn't come with any goodies ]-: Did yours?

Yeah I guess it can also be seen as a part of perception. I mean that music can be set up analogous to how optical illusions work. You can intentionally create rhythms where the 1 is shifting around for instance. And yes, Autechre are really good at giving their amazing sound design a reason to live as well. It's very easy today to make weird sounds, but Autechre also know how to organize them into something worthwhile.

Hey thanks Ivan! Platinum Scatter was an insta-buy last year. I've been into CV for a long time, but revealing the concealed escaped my attention somehow, will check it out.

Yup, this is what I meant. Ecosystem is a very good term for this, both figuratively and literally. It's the depth of interconnected layers and entities that is part of why Autechre is so intriguing. On the literal level, Autechre often conjures images of natural motion in my mind, like wind, waves, clouds, flames, and how all of these interact, things melting, things solidifying, this kind of stuff. Other times, the images are of more concrete entities, or landscapes I am moving through. Like that thing in gonk steady one which always sounds to me like a massive shimmering metal moth that's flying around my room (It's a welcome guest). eastre makes me feel like I am watching two massive spaceships slowly crash into and completely crush each other as they lose course and begin to drift off into the universe. Now that's a CLICK!

Ah, now I see! Thanks for clarifying. Yes I agree, that's one way of clicking: On the intellectual level. Personally, the real click is when I connect mentally/emotionally, it usually trumps intellect. It's through mood, atmosphere, and texture that stuff really wins me over. But it's fun to reverse engineer if you have a curious mind.

Bought it now, shit is good! I always buy full albums only.

Damn, you read that whole post? I really need to stop posting here when hungover and procrastinating at my job. Shit's too long now that I look at it.. But yeah, maybe the album was meant as a test.. And I am the fool that couldn't stop.. Now i am trapped in this diamond forever!!

It's time for me to get back on topic: I really believe that nothing is for everybody. Different brains and nervous systems enjoy different kinds of music. If your brain likes challenges, then it will get bored when not challenged enough. Other people like music that is predictable. But yeah.. That moment when it goes click is immensely pleasurable. My problem with most pop music is that it always leaves me feeling both hungry and nauseous, like a big McDonald's menu. It just hits me in all the wrong places. It wants too much from me. It's too user-centric. I prefer stuff that is following its own course, the less I matter in that process, the better. But pop music is engineered towards eliciting emotions, manipulating the listener. It's constantly trying to press buttons in my brain. It's trying too hard to click. The Loudness War was nothing compared to the Engagement War.

Loved that bit. I digress but iirc, Sean was talking about how they're using Max specifically(and then started relating this principle to processes in nature or smth). I love how Sean + Rob are constantly speaking up against this meme of "Autechre is at the forefront of music because they're using the most intricate and cutting-edge sh*t1!!". Pretty sure that a lot of the processes in their Max system, at least on message level / in the sequencing domain, are really just many simple bits / modules set up in a way so that they all can communicate and mess with each other. And then, complexity arises from the interaction between the elements, while the elements themselves are simple. The rest is their strong work ethic + incorruptible instinct. You say "it's very satisfying when something complex gets reduced to something simple", but didn't Sean mean that it's the other way around? Personally, I find complexity from simplicity really beautiful. Or am I getting you wrong here?

Dropped yesterday. Caught me off guard. Listening rn. https://currentvalue1.bandcamp.com/album/beneath-the-sonics First round sounds good. Sonically/Emotionally much in the vein of last year's Platinum Scatter. Jittery and twitching. Sounds fundamentally nervous. Loads and loads of nice modulations. Oh, and there's some really yummy vocoders. Worst I can say about this release at the moment is that it's €18 for a digital release.. Honestly, just make that €10 and call the album "I Do Need A Series Of Rather Costly Dentist Appointments, Soon", and I'll happily throw in the remaining 8 just to help out. Gonna listen to the previews some more before deciding.

You remember that Quaristice interview where they're being asked something like "We saw people at your gig taking drugs, what do you have to say about that?" And Rob is having a meltdown from this question, just keeps saying "I am speechless!!" He simply can't comprehend because AE were ravers themselves.

Great thread. I think openness and curiosity play a big role, and of course, you have to be obsessed with music. If you discard something immediately because it doesn't make sense to you right away, then obviously, you can't even get to the point where it clicks. And it's no surprise that this seems to happen a lot with Autechre. It was the same for me. When I was a teenager, I bought Trout Mask Replica. I bought it because of Zappa, because of how he'd described the sessions in his autobiography. So I had no direct clue of what was going to happen. And then I hated the album. It felt like an endless, ice-cold shower. I was even mad at it briefly, but what can you do? I had blown the biggest part of my month's pocket money on this album(We're talking pre-Napster days here). So I listened some more because this was the new music I had this month. Then one morning, about 10 days later, I awoke and just heard Frownland in my head, and then I put it on. I was amazed by how intensely I was touched by it suddenly. The album became this extremely fascinating thing, I just couldn't stop listening to it. Lifetime fav ever since. This was the primer. I realized that sometimes, it just takes time. Other times, I got help. My best friend back in high school was already into AE when we met, we both liked a lot of extreme and experimental music, and turned each other on to a lot of good stuff. He gave me LP5 to listen to and I couldn't stand it. I found it cold, robotic, soulless. I thought "Why are these guys doing this??". A few weeks later, we'd been out one summer day and ended up on a rooftop together, shortly before sunset. We smoked weed and he just turned on the boom box. Under BOAC came up. We were silent. And now, it hit me. Everything was exactly where it was supposed to be. The incredible percussion. That melody, and how the whole thing collapses, and then it reconfigures itself. It wasn't a contradiction anymore. It was simply pure motion. It was perfect, suddenly I was incredibly touched by the beauty of it. It was like finding the strangest and most beautiful thing under a microscope. It was so totally of its own world, and at the same time, so absolutely relatable. So I asked him to rewind. It was on this rooftop 22 years ago that I became the ridiculous Autechre fanboy that I am today.