chim Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 15 hours ago, xox said: Today’s tip: use major seconds and flatted fifths more often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 16 hours ago, xox said: Today’s tip: use major seconds and flatted fifths more often do you mean, use scales that have a b5 instead of a natural 5th or use scales that have both a natural 5th and a #11? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, brian trageskin said: do you mean, use scales that have a b5 instead of a natural 5th or use scales that have both a natural 5th and a #11? Ni i mean that every chord should have major seconds and flatted fifths (lyk i was sirius) Edited March 18, 2022 by xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, xox said: Ni i mean that every chord should have major seconds and flatted fifths (lyk i was sirius) do you mean that was a joke and you just said some random shit you don't even understand the meaning of? mods pls ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, brian trageskin said: do you mean that was a joke and you just said some random shit you don't even understand the meaning of? mods pls ban Ofc it was a joke but i understand the meaning of it! Someone who understands harmony should know how awful my ‘advice’ really was IMG_1661.MOV Edited March 18, 2022 by xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 i'm sorry but there's nothing inherently wrong with major 2nds or b5's. there aren't wrong notes per se in music, it's all a matter of musical context. b5's are used all the time in jazz for example and if by major 2nds you mean playing the 9th next to the root, in a diatonic cluster kind of way, that sounds perfectly fine in the middle or high register - not in the lows though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Aaaah maan… Who gives a fak?! Especially about jazz-possibles? > it’s a known ‘creepy sounding’ interval in classical theory (Ravel liked to use it tho, with genius results in his piano peaces like in gaspard de la nuit, Ligeti too) but it’s possibly funny to advise someone to use it as much as they can, thatz it! That was the joke! Admittedly not a good one, but it’s a joke! In my defense, it’s not an easy thing to joke about harmony! Edited March 18, 2022 by xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, xox said: Who gives a fak?! er, pretty much any person who studies music gives a fuck. 46 minutes ago, xox said: Especially about jazz-possibles? i don't know if that's supposed to be a pun or anything but it's terrible in any case, lol. plus what do you mean? that jazz is some marginal shit that's unworthy of interest? cause if that's the case, i'm sorry but you don't even know what you're talking about. if however that was another one of your terrible jokes, dude, you need some coaching on that lol. 46 minutes ago, xox said: it’s a known ‘creepy sounding’ interval in classical theory (Ravel liked to use it tho, with genius results in his piano peaces like in gaspard de la nuit, Ligeti too) but it’s especially funny to advise someone to use them as much as they can, thatz it! again, it's all a matter of context. 46 minutes ago, xox said: That was the joke! Admittedly not a good one, but it’s a joke! In my defense, it’s not a easy thing to joke about harmony! it is easy though, you just need to know what you're talking about a bit, is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, brian trageskin said: a study shows that women are C# major admirers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 i'll never forget the "music bends time / time equals will" fiasco xox, do you hear me? never. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, brian trageskin said: i'll never forget the "music bends time / time equals will" fiasco xox, do you hear me? never. Reveal hidden contents lol never forget? but you'll probably never understand it either ... unfortunately! i say unfortunately bc imo it's the key for deeper knowledge about art in general and consequently some other important things Edited March 18, 2022 by xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, xox said: i say unfortunately bc imo it's the key for deeper knowledge about art in general and consequently some other important things sounds like esoteric bs but ok lol Spoiler Spoiler love you bro Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 this shit is hilarious. bravo guys, I needed a laugh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronical Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I'd love to hear about Plato, Kant etc. being the key for a deeper understanding, knowledge of music. I'd argue it can be understood from all sorts of schools of thinking as long as we're open minded.. Maybe make another thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefxbip Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, brian trageskin said: not in the lows though. Wot??? Sorry but cluster in basses are amazing imo. Give me a low a+bflat minor second or stack of diatonic/chromatic cluster in the lowest register on the piano any time. One of my favorite chord of all is the first 5 notes of minor stacked in a cluster. Played left hand. Massive on bass. Gives you a thick, dark, dramatic rumble. These days im a big fan of microtonal bass clusters even. It is super expressive and gives you mad oscillation. Can be super cool for drone and atmosphere. Edited March 18, 2022 by thefxbip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefxbip Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Found the ultimate cluster piano piece the other day by the way. Shows you there is no such thing has wrong chord. (Others would probably say it shows you what nonsense you get if you abandon normal harmony hahaha) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefxbip Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) All (pseudo or not) scientific-philosophical theory goes out the windows once you hear certain frequencies/sound and they make your brain go ''wow''. It's interesting to see what everyone has to say about aesthetics/theory of music or philosophical theory but at the end of the day, it's sound and it's effect on us. It's direct experience. Clusters were forbidden for a long time but once you hear one in a good context and it hits you. You just think all this theory to forbide them was kinda dumb and that it was arbitrary to have this rule. Edited March 18, 2022 by thefxbip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefxbip Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) The most interesting things said about music are rarely being said by critics, philosophers, historians, writers or theorists. It's often nonsense. Usually the philosophical mindset, aesthetics and psychology of the musicians themselves and their vision of what their music is and what motivates them is highly interesting tho. Edited March 18, 2022 by thefxbip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronical Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, thefxbip said: The most interesting things said about music are rarely being said by critics, philosophers, historians, writers or theorists. It's often nonsense. Usually the philosophical mindset, aesthetics and psychology of the musicians themselves and their vision of what their music is and what motivates them is highly interesting tho. Probably because the musician's interests/personality shows more about the music than analysing it from an outside perspective right I love seeing music as little artifacts you leave of yourself, depending on the work put into it, and passion of course, the artifact is more and more you, with aspects of yourself that would be lost in a conversation.. and with synths you add a whole other dimension to it, you're not just going with tone but with texture too.. fuck i love music also gonna take this little moment to say, bippo, you're great at putting feelings into music, love putting it on and dancing to it at home.. theres very little music in braindance in my opinion that goes the full spectrum, that just reaches out to you and is like heyyy now we vibing!! or maybe i'd just vibe more with you in person than with other musicians whose music I don't like as much? I don't understand it I'm just rambling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, xox said: Reveal hidden contents tbh it's a difficult topic bc it's a philosophy of art - nothing concrete, something ppl generally see as inherently subjective, and it's extremely esoteric as brian says, something ppl rarely talk about beyond ''they like it or don't like it'' and i dont think im smart enough to prove anything philosophically and also it's a hierarchical approach in its nature, hierarchy that reflects art so by talking theoretically about it you can't avoid placing some approaches in art above others, which means you can't avoid offending ppl and i don't want to do that also, i'd need to systematize it better first and then present it in an understandable way; how i see it now it'd take at least 20 pages in ms word to be understandable to others... the last time i wrote about it was so condense that probably no one understood a thing! so maybe ill talk about it more one day, maybe ...but tbh i dont think i will, many reasons bc "if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - julio iglesias 12 minutes ago, thefxbip said: It's direct experience. Clusters were forbidden for a long time but once you hear one in a good context and it hits you. You just think all this theory to forbide them was kinda dumb and that it was arbitrary to have this rule. it depends on what you're after. clusters in the low register are cool but since they sound muddy af, they aren't gonna be of much use unless you're trying to achieve a certain effect. so there are acoustic reasons that explain why they're not used that much, it's not an arbitrary rule. 47 minutes ago, thefxbip said: Usually the philosophical mindset, aesthetics and psychology of the musicians themselves and their vision of what their music is and what motivates them is highly interesting tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, brian trageskin said: "if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - julio iglesias simply? …which reminds me of this: (bc i can't explain it simply to someone from another galaxy ) Edited March 19, 2022 by xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just add a fifth to your main melody, a fifth to your harmony, another fifth to that harmony, and so on. Post the results here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefxbip Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 12 hours ago, chronical said: Probably because the musician's interests/personality shows more about the music than analysing it from an outside perspective right I love seeing music as little artifacts you leave of yourself, depending on the work put into it, and passion of course, the artifact is more and more you, with aspects of yourself that would be lost in a conversation.. and with synths you add a whole other dimension to it, you're not just going with tone but with texture too.. fuck i love music also gonna take this little moment to say, bippo, you're great at putting feelings into music, love putting it on and dancing to it at home.. theres very little music in braindance in my opinion that goes the full spectrum, that just reaches out to you and is like heyyy now we vibing!! or maybe i'd just vibe more with you in person than with other musicians whose music I don't like as much? I don't understand it I'm just rambling Yea! the artifiacts! good way to say it! And thank you! Yeah feeling in music is very important when i am making it, my goal is always to reach a kind of goosebumps experience while making it hahaha For me the way to put emotion in your music is total identification and merging with the process. When i am not feeling a tune, and it's not progressing, i know i havent gone deep enough and merged with sound enough so every nuance gets a direct response from me and i am playing with an artificial process that don't truly interest me so i can't really go 100%. You need to get into this very tense flow state or get very excited by sound or else its just mechanical and it wont resonate as much. BUT i think some people get this wrong, it's not so much a comfortable, pleasurable, chill state of mind, tho, like when you are watching netflix or eating ice cream, it is not passive, it's more a tense, excitable, ecstatic, uncomfortable state of mind. I think the more you progress the more uncomfortable but also the more ecstatic it becomes. So it becomes quite addictive because of the kind of rush you get. I think the very great geniuses of art are those who can both withstand extreme mental tension while keeping things flowing and ecstatic. Their work is born out of this mental tension. Anyway im glad you vibe to my trx, and its probable because i had a blast making them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 pro tip: Spoiler 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xox Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, brian trageskin said: pro tip: Reveal hidden contents 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