france bans the face veil/burqa

[chim]

World War 3 here we come.

[Guest hahathhat]

i am picturing a cartoon video. muslim in burqa walks over vent grating in the sidewalk. BLAST OF AIR! just like marilyn monroe. the veil lifts for a tantalizing glimpse.... oh, whoops, it's a male muslim crossdresser.

 

i feel kind of disrespected when i see the burqas, oddly. i guess it sends off a "go away, i don't want to talk with you" message. what's wrong with me? :angry:

 

but i suppose i do the same thing with sunglasses, so i have no right to complain.

[delet...]

People should be able to wear whatever the fuck they want. Now whether what they are wearing has been imposed on them by a repressive religious order is a completely different matter and one that won't be resolved instantly. And certainly it shouldn't invalidate the first statement, that people should be able to wear whatever the fuck they want.

 

Except say a motorcycle helmet, in a bank. To not go against this rule, those ladies can do internet banking. Or let their husband do the banking, as is right.

[lumpenprol]

if people just pretended they were in a star wars cosplay, a lot of the world's problems would be solved.

[Guest rumbo]

I don't buy the security angle either. Lets look at the reason why they wear the burka. I believe it is to hide themselves from males in their culture who cannot control their urges. If this is the case in their country of origin, so be it. But if this is presumption they make in my country, about me, then I am offended.

 

The burka is just as much an allegation about all men.

[kaini]

First they came for the hijab wearers

and I didn't speak out because I didn't wear a hijab.

 

Then they came for the people who liked guns,

and I didn't speak out because I didn't like guns.

 

Then they came for republicans,

and I didn't speak out because I was not a republican.

 

Then they came for the WATMMers,

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Guest Babar]

In france, we don't need to have guns, we already have our average 16.01 cm

[marf]

I want to say its a good thing because i think the muslim religion at heart is very chauvinistic, along with most religions, but then it could be justified that other religious clothing could be banned and then it makes it clear why people think this one thing is ok solely out of prejudice. Which is not like.. the future man. Ironically religions are taking their ideology from the very distant and backward past but secular people have to embrace progressive thinking to have tolerance

[Guest hahathhat]

if only they'd banned spandex on fat people, i could get behind this law

 

The burka is just as much an allegation about all men.

 

the irony is, the mystique of it will garner the attention of some men that would have otherwise ignored these chicks. a burqa catches your eye going down the street, at least where i live !

[Guest Babar]

Just a few hours ago, i had this brilliant idea.

 

In France, the main concern is unemployment and insecurity.

Insecurity is mainly caused by the children of north african immigrants.

They constitute the population that suffers the most from unemployment.

The idea that immigrants are stealing our jobs is well spread.

 

SO why not say : "let's stop immigration in order to fully achieve the integration into society of french people of foreign origin ?".

 

That's a killer idea. Recently, the Front National (far-right party, FN) has gained more credibility when the the party's long-time leader handed over to her daughter (via the magic of an internal democratic vote).

 

I'm talking bout this man

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he was (and still is) the media's pet peeve. He's cursed. But not as much as his daughter. That's why people are less disinclined to vote for them now.

You also have to take into consideration the right's attitude toward this problem. From the beginning on, Sarkozy has put much efforts into broadening his political group. Eric Besson, Minister of Immigration (something new), used to be socialist. Same goes for the penultimate Minister of Foreign Affairs, Bernard Kouchner. They never made public pacts with the far-right though. Their plan was to increase formal relations with the left (), and reuse the ideas of the far-right without drawing any direct link with the Front National. The right legitimated their ideas, and we now risk to have their leaders legitimated through the coming presidential elections (20-30 % during the second round).

 

That's why my rhetoric is so perfect. They could pass for humanists.

[kaini]

if only they'd banned spandex on fat people, i could get behind this law

 

The burka is just as much an allegation about all men.

 

the irony is, the mystique of it will garner the attention of some men that would have otherwise ignored these chicks. a burqa catches your eye going down the street, at least where i live !

 

you say that like burqa porn is a new thing

i can assure you it isn't

 

now let us never speak of this again

[Guest hahathhat]

my point was that if you want to avoid drawing attention to yourself, it's not a terribly good strategy.

[chenGOD]

 

 

SO why not say : "let's stop immigration in order to fully achieve the integration into society of french people of foreign origin ?".

 

 

 

I know you're being rhetorical, but because france doesn't have a fertility rate that meets the replacement rate. When that happens you get a society full of old people like Japan.

[lumpenprol]

I think it all boils down to cultural differences; it's understandable the French are afraid of alien customs and garb. To which I propose this simple, elegant, culturally sensitive (and dare I say stylish?) solution:

[murve33]

I think it all boils down to cultural differences; it's understandable the French are afraid of alien customs and garb. To which I propose this simple, elegant, culturally sensitive (and dare I say stylish?) solution:

[luke viia]

that scuba-diving condom is officially ready for a stylish fencing match in the mosque :sup:

[Guest hahathhat]

I think it all boils down to cultural differences; it's understandable the French are afraid of alien customs and garb. To which I propose this simple, elegant, culturally sensitive (and dare I say stylish?) solution:

 

you could get on cnn for that if you actually made one

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SO why not say : "let's stop immigration in order to fully achieve the integration into society of french people of foreign origin ?".

 

 

 

I know you're being rhetorical, but because france doesn't have a fertility rate that meets the replacement rate. When that happens you get a society full of old people like Japan.

 

I hate this argument, because it is a statistical bump. That passes. And at the same time you halt the overpopulation of your country, by foreign halfwits.

 

heh

[Guest Babar]

we're not that bad. we've the best natality/fertility rate in europe. We're close to if not above 2.05 children per person.

 

edit: 16.01cm innit

[Guest rumbo]

That extra 2 inches is naturally selective, to compensate for the extra 2 inches of pubes.

 

[Terpentintollwut]

We shall appreciate the input of Babar in this discussion, him being the only French person capable of speaking the English language.

[chenGOD]

 

 

SO why not say : "let's stop immigration in order to fully achieve the integration into society of french people of foreign origin ?".

 

 

 

I know you're being rhetorical, but because france doesn't have a fertility rate that meets the replacement rate. When that happens you get a society full of old people like Japan.

 

I hate this argument, because it is a statistical bump. That passes. And at the same time you halt the overpopulation of your country, by foreign halfwits.

 

heh

 

Bollocks it does - check out Canada's demographics. You lot can talk though - your whole country is founded on immigration.

 

we're not that bad. we've the best natality/fertility rate in europe. We're close to if not above 2.05 children per person.

 

edit: 16.01cm innit

 

Wiki says yo guys are second after Ireland, so that's a fair point - your immigration is actually one of the lowest in the EU at the moment. Never mind - carry on fucking, France!

[Terpentintollwut]

I heard the average Irishman's johnson is rather petite, so how does this add up then?

[Guest Babar]

They're constantly drunk, thar's why.

[Guest EDGEY]

We've had this for decades... nothing new here.

 

NEW YORK Penal Law 240.35 (4):

Being masked or in any manner disguised by unusual or unnatural attire or facial alteration, loiters, remains or congregates in a public place with other persons so masked or disguised, or knowingly permits or aids persons so masked or disguised to congregate in a public place; except that such conduct is not unlawful when it occurs in connection with a masquerade party or like entertainment if, when such entertainment is held in a city which has promulgated regulations in connection with such affairs, permission is first obtained from the police or other appropriate authorities; (National Lawyers Guild NYC Chapter paper on the anti-mask law).