lumpenprol Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloman Tump Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 the rate of beard stroking and horlicks quoffing has grown exponentially at labs overnight thanks to this revelation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloman Tump Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 woah. Maybe theres fuckloads of other particles also going FTL that weve not even discovered yet cos they are going way too fast to detect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essines Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... funny how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... funny how? It's probably a "your machine is bigger than mine" kinda thing. Also funny is that it had actually a lot to do with the CERN people. /returns to training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 woah. Maybe theres fuckloads of other particles also going FTL that weve not even discovered yet cos they are going way too fast to detect. nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The article run at the BBC is a bit more descriptive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 Neutrinos sent through the ground from Cern toward the Gran Sasso laboratory 732km away seemed to show up a tiny fraction of a second early.The result - which threatens to upend a century of physics - will be put online for scrutiny by other scientists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavinsky Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 maybe you need a timemachine to detect them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The team prepares a beam of just one type, muon neutrinos, sending them from Cern to an underground laboratory at Gran Sasso in Italy to see how many show up as a different type, tau neutrinos.In the course of doing the experiments, the researchers noticed that the particles showed up a few billionths of a second sooner than light would over the same distance. The team measured the travel times of neutrino bunches some 15,000 times, and have reached a level of statistical significance that in scientific circles would count as a formal discovery. But the group understands that what are known as "systematic errors" could easily make an erroneous result look like a breaking of the ultimate speed limit, and that has motivated them to publish their measurements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essines Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... funny how? It's probably a "your machine is bigger than mine" kinda thing. Also funny is that it had actually a lot to do with the CERN people. /returns to training i don't know why the machine comes into this, y0! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... funny how? It's probably a "your machine is bigger than mine" kinda thing. Also funny is that it had actually a lot to do with the CERN people. /returns to training i don't know why the machine comes into this, y0! dude, i hope yours is big enough to raise issues like these. /starts running on thin ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Coalbucket PI Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The speed of light thing isn't just one law though, if that turns out to be wrong it offsets a whole bunch of stuff that has been based on it. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impakt Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 how did they know there wasnt just 2 same particles along way apart Probably because neutrino interaction is so rare that the chance of a random interaction happening at the same time as the they fire off their beam, 15 000 times in a row - is HIGHLY unlikely. funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... The experiment was done at one of the CERN labs, but not the LHC - which is probably what you are thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMf40ORFE8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impakt Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 hate that speed of light prohibition too. It's not really a prohibition, it's just the outcome of E = mrelc2 when you reach such speeds - mass becomes infinite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazador Mod Unit Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 awesome! but, what does it mean then: neutrinos have no mass or the equation is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptowen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 This is another case of XKCD raising a valid point from beneath a massive, pulsating blanket of smug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 This is another case of XKCD raising a valid point from beneath a massive, pulsating blanket of smug. i'm surprised people still read/like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 This is another case of XKCD raising a valid point from beneath a massive, pulsating blanket of smug. *under blanket* Thats the best place to raise valid points from! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 how did they know there wasnt just 2 same particles along way apart Probably because neutrino interaction is so rare that the chance of a random interaction happening at the same time as the they fire off their beam, 15 000 times in a row - is HIGHLY unlikely. funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... The experiment was done at one of the CERN labs, but not the LHC - which is probably what you are thinking of. my point was this thread is slightly misleading, just like the story about the woman who died after injecting fat in her face, but it wasn't the injection that killed her. In this case CERN was involved in the experiment, but we can't say "the LHC is finally starting to pay off!" as it didn't involve the LHC. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Super lurker ultra V12 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 since CERN != LHC that's quite a pointless remark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 There's a lot more research going on at CERN than just the LHC. The LHC will start showing results in the next couple of years. There's a massive amount of data to be sifted through before anything conclusive can be presented. It's not like they smash a handful of hadrons together, watch what happens and write a paper about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impakt Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 how did they know there wasnt just 2 same particles along way apart Probably because neutrino interaction is so rare that the chance of a random interaction happening at the same time as the they fire off their beam, 15 000 times in a row - is HIGHLY unlikely. funny thing is this had nothing to do with the CERN machine... The experiment was done at one of the CERN labs, but not the LHC - which is probably what you are thinking of. my point was this thread is slightly misleading, just like the story about the woman who died after injecting fat in her face, but it wasn't the injection that killed her. In this case CERN was involved in the experiment, but we can't say "the LHC is finally starting to pay off!" as it didn't involve the LHC. That's all. That's what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ranky Redlof Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 God is just playing tricks on those silly scientists again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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