toaoaoad Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) @Zephyr_NovaThe presence of the ninth (B) in the chord is really where the questions started coming in I guess. An augmented triad on its own is very ambiguous (and augmented chords are favoured for this ambiguous quality) but once you add other notes it pins things down a little more. As @brian trageskin mentioned above it sounds most immediately related to the whole tone scale, but in my meandering earlier post I mentioned a couple other scales that could also use those notes. Again, you wouldn't want to actually call the chord anything other than Aaug(add9) unless it was important to indicate other notes that would be used in a melody against the chord or would be considered options for alternate voicings of that chord for other rhythm section players. How's everybody doin? Edited March 19, 2021 by toaoaoad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Zephyr_Nova said: It wasn't supposed to be like this. yeah it's all my fault really, sorry about all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaoaoad Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, brian trageskin said: this looks very interesting, i'll check it out properly tomorrow Full disclosure I am totally baffled by this shit myself. This guy goes way above and beyond lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toaoaoad Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, brian trageskin said: i didn't understand this post (language barrier), care to rephrase? do you mean it's above your comprehension? More or less, yeah. I could comprehend it if I really wanted to dig in, but these days I don't feel like I have the actual brain power to do so, nor do I feel the need or desire to grasp this information at this stage of my musical development anyway. The material this guy presents gets quite complicated and is far beyond what anyone "needs" to know about theory... it's for jazzers who are bored and want to expand, basically. Once again I was just being mildly trollish by posting the image Edited March 19, 2021 by toaoaoad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 behold, the tesseract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, brian trageskin said: i remembered the key center as being Ab key center when there's no chord progression lol. i meant root Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I AM NOT READING ALL THIS NERD SHIT @Zephyr_NovaDO YOU LIKE PRWANS?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 Aye, prawns are dope. I have not had breaded prawns in quite some time, and would like to change that. There's a fish 'n' chips place nearby that I have not tried yet (not big into it tbqhtyvm), and possibly I will go there tonight for said prawns. Thanks for the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 19 hours ago, toaoaoad said: I honestly thought you were just trollin with that meme anyway lol. Isn't this whole conversation of ours kind of a troll on the whole thread? It really is just an A augmented triad with a ninth on it. My big posts about nomenclature and chord/scale relationships were all just unnecessary theory stuff based on imaginary situations where you need to know more about the context of the chord (i.e. no one asked) lol i said i genuinely tried to find alternate interpretations and by that i meant the chords i came up with were an endless pile of honest mistakes from my part, but i forgot to mention that was just me having a bit of fun and trolling yeah. the joke was to do this pointless exercice of labeling an ambiguous chord without any context, and come up with bonkers 'solutions' now here's what i wanted to talk about: so i've had some rest, i'm thinking more clearly now, and while i was taking a long walk earlier i started thinking about the chord again, and it suddenly clicked: it's a B7(#11)(omit3&5lol) so here's the zeph chord now check this out boom. now does the B need to be between A and C# to be considered 1st inversion, or 1st inversion is all about 1 becoming the top note, no matter how extended the chord is? how does that work? btw here's another goofy label of the chord i came up: Db7(omit5)/A lol. and this time i know i'm right but of course these are only 2 (goofy instances) of the many ways the chord can be analyzed. also, the chord is a good example of how ambiguous the chords derived from the whole tone scale can be, where any note could be the tonal center 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 if i knew music theory the way you guyz do id walk on water 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brian trageskin Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, dingformung said: i know exactly what you mean but this wasn't a case of me being too confident in my knowledge when i'm actually quite ignorant, it was me playing games in my head and coming up with wrong conclusions because the pictures in my head were completely wrong for some reason. so not a matter of missing knowledge and overconfidence. all it took was a good nigh's sleep for me to be up to the task Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, dingformung said: ''Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brian trageskin Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, xox said: if i knew music theory the way you guyz do id walk on water i really don't know too much though, trust me. toad probably knows 10 times what i know, if that sentence makes sense in english ok maybe not 10 times but 5 times maybe? idk lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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xox Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Just now, brian trageskin said: i really don't know too much though, trust me. toad probably knows 10 times what i know, if that sentence makes sense in english ok maybe not 10 times but 5 times maybe? idk lol yeah 5 times is still a lot, 4 times also lol all i know there are white keys and there are black keys and that sometimes they can mix i various ratios and combinations ... you can even press more than one key at the same time #mindblows what i wanted to say that id struggle much less if i knew the theory and im planning to learn some of it later this year; i even bought some books 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, xox said: yeah 5 times is still a lot, 4 times also lol all i know there are white keys and there are black keys and that sometimes they can mix i various ratios and combinations ... you can even press more than one key at the same time #mindblows what i wanted to say that id struggle much less if i knew the theory and im planning to learn some of it later this year; i even bought some books if you're too lazy to read books or if the medium is too boring, know that there's tons of music theory on youtube. that's how i learned anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaoaoad Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) Lol @brian trageskin B7#11 over A is just one of many possibilities yeah, because B7#11 (B lydian dominant) is just one of seven modes of the F# jazz minor scale, any of which would contain these notes. So I mean if we're getting into slash chords (i.e. calling Zephyr's chord "something over A") then we have all of the possibilities from that mode, not just B7#11. But the only actual reason we would need to call it that is if it was functioning as a B7#11. Since we still don't know anything about the function of this chord, it's nothing but an A+(add9). It's really unlikely that anyone would want to voice a B7#11 this way. I think it's also a pretty safe rule of thumb that if your chord spelling includes "omit 3 and 5" then call it something else. lol Edited March 20, 2021 by toaoaoad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, toaoaoad said: Lol @brian trageskin B7#11 over A is just one of many possibilities yeah, because B7#11 (B lydian dominant) is just one of seven modes of the F# jazz minor scale, any of which would contain these notes. So I mean if we're getting into slash chords (i.e. calling Zephyr's chord "something over A") then we have all of the possibilities from that mode, not just B7#11. But the only actual reason we would need to call it that is if it was functioning as a B7#11. Since we still don't know anything about the function of this chord, it's nothing but an A+(add9). It's really unlikely that anyone would want to voice a B7#11 this way. yeah i was just having a bit of fun really, don't look too much into it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaoaoad Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Just now, brian trageskin said: don't look too much into it lol Oh it's a bit too late for that don't you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian trageskin Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, toaoaoad said: I think it's also a pretty safe rule of thumb that if your chord spelling includes "omit 3 and 5" then call it something else. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaoaoad Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, xox said: what i wanted to say that id struggle much less if i knew the theory and im planning to learn some of it later this year; i even bought some books This is always a great idea. I'd suggest also seeing an actual human tutor from time to time if you're serious. Self-teaching can only go so far and leaves you vulnerable to blind spots. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 Good chance I'm going to be drunk again tonight, so let's try to get things back on track here. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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