music repercussions of shutting down megaupload, mediafire, etc.

[oscillik]

Someone mentioned public libraries. You guys do understand that authors are compensated for having their books in the library yes?

 

they're not compensated for every single person that has or is going to read that book.

[joshuatxuk]

Someone mentioned public libraries. You guys do understand that authors are compensated for having their books in the library yes?

 

they're not compensated for every single person that has or is going to read that book.

 

Would services like Spotify or Netflix a better comparison? No individual purchases, but there are, for lack of a better term, residuals.

[awepittance]

 

I'd like to hear something in its entirety prior to purchasing it.

 

still think you're in the minority

[oscillik]

Someone mentioned public libraries. You guys do understand that authors are compensated for having their books in the library yes?

 

they're not compensated for every single person that has or is going to read that book.

 

Would services like Spotify or Netflix a better comparison? No individual purchases, but there are, for lack of a better term, residuals.

 

nope it wouldn't be a better comparison

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2011/feb/01/spotify-royalties-independents

[o00o]

I do not understand this so-called music fan mentality of needing to listen to an entire album all the way through before they buy it. Is that another way of saying you can't afford to buy very much music?

 

the problem is without the gatekeepers in place its really hard to know if a release is worth its money so people download before and buy later if they like it to support the artist to create more of the same or the get the artwork not like before to actually have the content.

 

even if the artwork is excellent you cant tell without previews if the music is worth it or if the guy just happen to be a good designer

[murve33]

I'd like to hear something in its entirety prior to purchasing it.

 

still think you're in the minority

I don't think so, because I, all of my friends, my Mom, and all of her friends do this as well. Perhaps it's a minority, but it's a sizable minority.

 

There are definitely artists whose albums I don't bother listening to before I buy them because I assume I'll like them (Fiery Furnaces, BoC if they were to actually release something). But if I hear about an artist for the first time and I am unsure what all of their music is like, I'm not going to waste money on a possibly bad purchase. Sound logic in mine and many other's opinion.

 

The Fiery Furnaces is my favorite band, I've spent a lot of money on them through live shows/albums/posters. None of that would have ever happened if I hadn't pirated Bitter Tea (off of mediafire) and subsequently fallen in love with the album.

 

As for streaming an album on youtube being a replacement to pirating, it's just not the same. You can't listen to an album in your car, or play albums on a whim (except with maybe spotify), or burn it to a CD by using sites like youtube. I didn't fall in love with Bitter Tea from listening to it in front of my computer over and over, I played it while experiencing different things.

 

Edit: I know that acquiring music wasn't always like the way I acquire it these days, and that things seemed to be fine back then. But I'd think that it would be difficult for one with little money to acquire underground music that none of their friend's had heard before. You can't get a burned CD of an album no one you know has heard before. Pirating enables a person to discover new music, regardless of how much money they have. If artists want to combat pirating, they should just have people pay a dollar for the files to their album, and then sell physical releases in stores for more money.

[oscillik]

You can't listen to an album in your car, or play albums on a whim (except with maybe spotify), or burn it to a CD by using sites like youtube

 

yes you can.

 

YouTube app on Android / iOS

 

and you can rip the audio from YouTube and then burn it to CD. quality would be shite, but that is besides the point - it's most definitely possible.

[murve33]

I knew someone would say something like this.

 

A. If I could afford an expensive-ass smart phone, I could probably afford albums. Read my edit for more detail.

B. As you said, youtube has god-awful quality; which would disable me from falling in love with an album. Plus, that would just be pirating anyway.

[o00o]

Back in the day before the internet we all just had much more limited collections and where dependent on radiostations, DJs and TV. Now we have everything everytime. Its just hard to reverse that. Its like going from HD porn streaming back to playboy or from twitter back to a newspaper. it just doesn't work as you can't unlearn

 

same with TV it just sucks we just didn't know it back then.

[oscillik]

I knew someone would say something like this.

 

A. If I could afford an expensive-ass smart phone, I could probably afford albums. Read my edit for more detail.

B. As you said, youtube has god-awful quality; which would disable me from falling in love with an album. Plus, that would just be pirating anyway.

 

A: you do realise that smartphones can be bought for people as gifts? or stolen?

[o00o]

on the other hand I am totally sure we will not stop pirating! one click downloading had its time as torrent and emule had its time before. When your parents know how you get your warez its time to move on to a new technology and this time now has come

[murve33]

Are you taking the piss?

 

I'll address the question seriously. There are things I want other than smart phones. Plus payment plans are expensive.

 

Stealing from a person is shitty. You could come back at me with "Pirating is Stealing", but as I said earlier, these artists end up making money off of me in the long-run.

[oscillik]

Are you taking the piss?

 

I'll address the question seriously. There are things I want other than smart phones. Plus payment plans are expensive.

 

Stealing from a person is shitty. You could come back at me with "Pirating is Stealing", but as I said earlier, these artists end up making money off of me in the long-run.

 

i'm addressing your original statement, which wrongly asserted that it was not possible to listen to stuff on YouTube while in a car, or to burn CDs from audio sourced from YouTube.

 

then you started talking about having enough money to buy a phone, and it's pertinence to buying music. i pointed out that phones can and are bought as presents.

[joshuatxuk]

Someone mentioned public libraries. You guys do understand that authors are compensated for having their books in the library yes?

 

they're not compensated for every single person that has or is going to read that book.

 

Would services like Spotify or Netflix a better comparison? No individual purchases, but there are, for lack of a better term, residuals.

 

nope it wouldn't be a better comparison

 

http://www.guardian....es-independents

 

ah, that's a clusterfuck too, gotcha lol

 

You can't listen to an album in your car, or play albums on a whim (except with maybe spotify), or burn it to a CD by using sites like youtube

 

yes you can.

 

YouTube app on Android / iOS

 

and you can rip the audio from YouTube and then burn it to CD. quality would be shite, but that is besides the point - it's most definitely possible.

 

yeah and the oppurtunties to get music to play in your car via smart phones+apps or whatever will probably be easier to do so, it's all going to get consolidated technology wise. which is good, i hate seeing morons with earbuds in while they're driving...

 

still a good point though, loading mp3s on my ipod and listening to them via auxiliary cable is how I listen to stuff in my car, but usually only on big road trips. I live around some decent local radio stations.

[murve33]

We have nothing but pop and classical out here radio-wise, and I actually have to burn a CD when I want to listen to music in the car (No aux port or Cassette deck).

 

You're probably right about technology making it easy to listen to stuff. For the time being though, it is impractical for someone with little funds to get a smartphone, and it is very impractical to rip stuff off of youtube.

 

And sorry if I'm coming off as a dick in any of these posts, oscillik. I don't mean to be, just been having a pretty shit week.

[jules]

I'd like to hear something in its entirety prior to purchasing it.

 

still think you're in the minority

 

i dont think you are aware of how common this is. a lot of music boards with out linking rules actually thrive on this. downloading music and discussing them. I also think you are underestimating the power of pitchfork in that they cause tons and tons of downloads, not sales, just by giving positive reviews.

[oscillik]

And sorry if I'm coming off as a dick in any of these posts, oscillik. I don't mean to be, just been having a pretty shit week.

 

lol you're not coming across as a dick, man. usually that's my job, so i think it's quite the lols that you're apologising to me, of all people

[o00o]

I have some EDGE flatrate on my iPhone that enables me to listen to Last.fm indefinitely on the go as my bandwith is only regulated with 3G reception

[chenGOD]

Someone mentioned public libraries. You guys do understand that authors are compensated for having their books in the library yes?

 

they're not compensated for every single person that has or is going to read that book.

 

Who ever said they were? They get some form of compensation. With megaupload - the artist gets jack shit.

Spotify pays like a trillionth of a cent per listen, and then apparently doesn't pay out in the end after all. (Like your article you linked to which I just read)

 

For the majority of artists people listen to on here, I would wager that there is some way to listen to full samples on line.

[oscillik]

Someone mentioned public libraries. You guys do understand that authors are compensated for having their books in the library yes?

 

they're not compensated for every single person that has or is going to read that book.

 

Who ever said they were? They get some form of compensation. With megaupload - the artist gets jack shit.

Spotify pays like a trillionth of a cent per listen, and then apparently doesn't pay out in the end after all. (Like your article you linked to which I just read)

 

For the majority of artists people listen to on here, I would wager that there is some way to listen to full samples on line.

 

Point still stands. Also, when someone borrows a book from a friend, that's apparently a lost sale. Same goes for when someone borrows a CD from a friend, or a DVD/Bluray.

 

It can go round and round in circles.

[BobDobalina]

Slightly tangental, but bleep fucking sucks with that click-every-30-seconds-to-keep-hearing-this shit player of theirs, it's 2012 ffs. Seriously I would browse and probably end up buying a lot more from their site if you could simply hear entire songs uninterrupted. Lost sales yo.

[oscillik]

Slightly tangental, but bleep fucking sucks with that click-every-30-seconds-to-keep-hearing-this shit player of theirs, it's 2012 ffs. Seriously I would browse and probably end up buying a lot more from their site if you could simply hear entire songs. Lost sales yo.

 

also worth noting - Bleep doesn't even always have the entire release available to stream (or sometimes anything at all).

[murve33]

Slightly tangental, but bleep fucking sucks with that click-every-30-seconds-to-keep-hearing-this shit player of theirs, it's 2012 ffs. Seriously I would browse and probably end up buying a lot more from their site if you could simply hear entire songs. Lost sales yo.

 

also worth noting - Bleep doesn't even always have the entire release available to stream (or sometimes anything at all).

Yea, not a fan of the bleep player. I feel like the old warp player worked better, but it's probably the same damn thing.

 

I miss the old warprecords website.

[oscillik]

rip awesome warp site

[YO303]

Rephlex player is the best of them all in my opinion. Why can't bleep just copy theirs.