LimpyLoo Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yeah, it's true. Hillary was an awful candidate and she almost won. Imagine if the candidate wasn't so fucking terrible. I'm partly happy that we didn't get another political elite family, but I think that is exactly what Trumps family will morph into. If he puts any of his kid in the administration... She and her cronies "leveraged" Sanders and called in favors and generally did everything they could to subvert the American people's democratic will. If anyone can say with a straight face "hey, that's just how the game is played" well then it's exactly that complacency that rewarded us with president-elect Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yeah, it's true. Hillary was an awful candidate and she almost won. Imagine if the candidate wasn't so fucking terrible. I'm partly happy that we didn't get another political elite family, but I think that is exactly what Trumps family will morph into. If he puts any of his kid in the administration... He's not elite already? He's moving from a solid gold penthouse into the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 He weren't amongst the *political* elite tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I've seen former campaign managers argue that those podesta mails were fairly tame, btw. Moreover, they showed how they actually tried to move Clinton to being more transparant. My take on those emails is that it's mostly blown out of proportion. Much is taken out of context and interpreted in some self-serving way. Yeah, they wrote something about having leverage over Sanders. But what does that actually mean? You can read it like blackmail. Sure. It could also be about some negotiation about a shared political agenda. Who knows. I don't know. I do know though, that if they would have been negotiating, it would not have had the dark meaning that's currently being cast onto it. The only crap from those mails, that I'm aware of, was about some practices of Bill making money with his name. And the irony of those leaks was that it showed how some people inside their organisation were actually explicitly against this. He weren't amongst the *political* elite tho. now he is tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I've seen former campaign managers argue that those podesta mails were fairly tame, btw. Moreover, they showed how they actually tried to move Clinton to being more transparant. My take on those emails is that it's mostly blown out of proportion. Much is taken out of context and interpreted in some self-serving way. Yeah, they wrote something about having leverage over Sanders. But what does that actually mean? You can read it like blackmail. Sure. It could also be about some negotiation about a shared political agenda. Who knows. I don't know. I do know though, that if they would have been negotiating, it would not have had the dark meaning that's currently being cast onto it. The only crap from those mails, that I'm aware of, was about some practices of Bill making money with his name. And the irony of those leaks was that it showed how some people inside their organisation were actually explicitly against this. He weren't amongst the *political* elite tho. now he is tho The DNC stuff is pretty damning I think, but yeah, there is nothing explicit about the emails which is why it's weird that people keep talking about emails, but not about some specific goings on within them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marian Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 So here's what I don't get... so that moron, Assange, leaked all kinds of shit about Clinton which put her in a bad situation. I don't know if it actually had any influence on the outcome of the election, but why would you leak stuff that puts the only glimpse of a hope of the country in a bad position and which then puts the loose cannon in charge? I must be missing something... this might be worth a read: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-what-i-learned-about-julian-assange?utm_term=.onGNrLj9d7#.buvAXB2kzW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yeah, the DNC stuff was pretty f-ing stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 So here's what I don't get... so that moron, Assange, leaked all kinds of shit about Clinton which put her in a bad situation. I don't know if it actually had any influence on the outcome of the election, but why would you leak stuff that puts the only glimpse of a hope of the country in a bad position and which then puts the loose cannon in charge? I must be missing something... this might be worth a read:https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-what-i-learned-about-julian-assange?utm_term=.onGNrLj9d7#.buvAXB2kzW Good article, though I find the effort to link the psychologies of assange with trump unconvincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 So here's what I don't get... so that moron, Assange, leaked all kinds of shit about Clinton which put her in a bad situation. I don't know if it actually had any influence on the outcome of the election, but why would you leak stuff that puts the only glimpse of a hope of the country in a bad position and which then puts the loose cannon in charge? I must be missing something... this might be worth a read:https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-what-i-learned-about-julian-assange?utm_term=.onGNrLj9d7#.buvAXB2kzW That was quite a read. I wonder how much of it is true? I mean... buzzfeed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marian Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 So here's what I don't get... so that moron, Assange, leaked all kinds of shit about Clinton which put her in a bad situation. I don't know if it actually had any influence on the outcome of the election, but why would you leak stuff that puts the only glimpse of a hope of the country in a bad position and which then puts the loose cannon in charge? I must be missing something... this might be worth a read:https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-what-i-learned-about-julian-assange?utm_term=.onGNrLj9d7#.buvAXB2kzW That was quite a read. I wonder how much of it is true? I mean... buzzfeed? i wouldn't know either. i guess we'll never find out. in a way this whole situation feels a bit like some sort of mindgame - how many seemingly conflicting statements can one take in without resorting to blatant simplification, conspiracy theory or populist/demagogical rhetoric? i for one find it easy to believe that assange might be a chauvinist, antisemite, pro-putin, whatever. that doesn't necessarily mean that wikileaks didn't do some good at some point. and neither does it imply that "hillary = good", that hillary clinton was a good choice for a candidate, or a particularly sympathetic one. that, on the other hand, doesn't mean that she is hawkish, less trustworthy than any of the other candidates or any other of the adjectives that got stuck to her in the past months. idk, maybe sanders would have won this thing because less frustrated dems would have jumped ship - but he lives in a weird 20th century fantasy world of his own, where EVERYTHING bad can just magically be attributed to wall street. and that's really the thing that is scary to me in this. because its the same behavioural structure that drove the brexit vote. we live in an extremely complex, global, networked society, yet people demand a) easy answers and b) easily identifiable culprits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Whatever happens, there will be hell toupee irl lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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