Rubin Farr Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 So as we all learned in band class, music has 3 basic elements (layman's def) Rhythm, Melody & Harmony. Melody is what almost always attracts me to an artist, it's not an easy thing to master. So I'm wondering how do some peeps here listen to bands with no melody? That's what always rubbed me about Autechre, they can do it, but don't seem interested most times. I mean just a drum machine isn't what I'd call "music", and I hear new records all the time now with just a relentless beat. Opinions, assholes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atom Dowry Firth Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 music has 3 basic elements (layman's def) Rhythm, Melody & Harmony This is probably where you're going wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 autechre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roksen Creek Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Have you guys seen the "What is the most melodic Autechre album" thread? Every single album was mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 thank god i have not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Nü-Metal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricone RC Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 most Richard Devine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rubin Farr Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 music has 3 basic elements (layman's def) Rhythm, Melody & Harmony This is probably where you're going wrong Like I said, very basic def Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Foil Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That's what always rubbed me about Autechre, they can do it, but don't seem interested most times. I mean just a drum machine isn't what I'd call "music"Think you might need to listen to more ae sir, can't actually think of a single track of theirs without a melodic element to it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 I've heard 20 years' worth. Oversteps was the exception to their 21st Century output IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That's what always rubbed me about Autechre, they can do it, but don't seem interested most times. I mean just a drum machine isn't what I'd call "music"Think you might need to listen to more ae sir, can't actually think of a single track of theirs without a melodic element to it ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo9cSdbn6pg&feature=player_detailpage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmufY91kb4&feature=player_detailpage sounds pretty to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roksen Creek Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Are you saying you can't hear any melody in any of those tracks Mr Ooze? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markedone Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 SND sometimes push on some sort of un-melodic boundary and go almost all rhythm. But there is still often melody used as accent or undertones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOS Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 music has 3 basic elements (layman's def) Rhythm, Melody & Harmony This is probably where you're going wrong Like I said, very basic def It's a wrong definition nevertheless. These three (rhythm, melody, harmony) are "methods for organising sounds" and just a subset of what is available for composing music. Makes more sense to think of and, above all, to experience 'music' as "organised sound". I like listening to the textural qualities and dynamic contrasts in a piece. A drum machine, even when used in itself, without any 'melodic' instruments present, can make music just fine in my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Autechre is pretty melodic to me. There's tons of minimalist, ambient soundscape, etc music that has absolutely no melodic content and still remains interesting. Also the definition of music as combination of rhythm, melody and harmony is pretty western-centric, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest murphythecat8 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 autechre is melodic. lol, this place is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassfreeKid Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Noise music in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest murphythecat8 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 music has 3 basic elements (layman's def) Rhythm, Melody & Harmony This is probably where you're going wrong Like I said, very basic def It's a wrong definition nevertheless. These three (rhythm, melody, harmony) are "methods for organising sounds" and just a subset of what is available for composing music. Makes more sense to think of and, above all, to experience 'music' as "organised sound". I like listening to the textural qualities and dynamic contrasts in a piece. A drum machine, even when used in itself, without any 'melodic' instruments present, can make music just fine in my humble opinion. OP's goal was not to define what music was but to ask what we find good in some music with obviously little melodic content, not to try to explain as accurately possible what music is. Everybody definition will differ so theres no point in defining. I would go as far and say that ``defining`` things are one of ego`s favorite ways to boost himself. But some folks will say that being able to define things is what separated us superior being from the animals :) . I personally agree with OP's and have serious trouble understanding a lot of that modern music, where you hear very little interesting melody content and everything is centered around the drum, or music like ambient noise ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Enter a new display name Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 SND sometimes push on some sort of un-melodic boundary and go almost all rhythm. But there is still often melody used as accent or undertones. What about Stdio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Jesus people, anything can be music to someone, I am referencing the basics kids were taught (when we had music class) of what constitutes yes I guess Western music. I mean this site has a range of "sounds" that encompass almost anything the human ear can hear. I listen to anything from drone to ambient, even noise, so I just meant beat-based music that most of us hear daily. WATMM is up its own ass sometimes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOS Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 @murphy: Nevertheless, it's important to point out that that definition is highly biased; western-centric as mokz very nicely put it. @rubin: Care to post an example of what 'beat-based' means for you? To me, something like this comes to mind: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think the one thing I enjoy in almost all music in the broadest sense is an engaging composition. Autechre do with textures and rhythms what some of the greatest classical composers did with melody and harmony. And i agree their output this side of the century has not been very melodic --some held pads that contain a couple notes do not constitute a melody. (Even BOC isn't particularly melodic most of the time, they tend to focus more on chord changes as opposed to melodies.) But Ae have succeeded in making some of the most interesting music around without employing melody in a very obvious way. Not many can pull that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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