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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_(number)

this reporting is getting lots of confirmation. Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

like a week ago in the "2 new albums announcedish" thread someone reported word from a manufacturing plant. later confirmed by the cover of sign

it is illegal. he has maxed out the system. congressional dems have already spent their political capital, trying to enact oversight. rightist disinformation serves as a threat, to them, providing cover. any attempt to hold trump accountable is met by fox, twitter bots, trump, congressional GOP, and internet "conservative" sites screaming radar-jamming counter-narrative.

wonder if they did a sean album and a rob album

cool that a new charlie kaufman movie is coming to netflix in 2 days

elseq 1-5: WARP512 NTS Sessions: WARP364 512 = five 12s 3+6+4 = 13

very anticipate.

new song is lush. cool video

that's the one i was thinking of, and i guess it's his only alias, though he is in some groups. ataxia is good. https://www.discogs.com/artist/79827-John-Frusciante

ae_store has an email notification sign-up on the main page, which is new to me. maybe that's why warp posted the link, email lists are marketing gold. maybe not 11th level imminence.

CONFIRMED: new albums titled "sonic" and "robotnik"

holy shit, man. tsar bomba (50mt) has a fireball that could cover rhode island. you might find this podcast episode interesting. https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-59-the-destroyer-of-worlds/

cool. nice to see it on mu, also. JF does good stuff. did an acid album a little while back that was good, and different.

retaliation for that??

wow, are you shane smith or dennis rodman? that's really interesting. i wonder if more americans are brainwashed than north koreans. i didn't read it. interesting. cambridge analytica targetted emotionally disturbed individuals, using facebook data and facebook ad targetting.

Genuine non-rhetoric question: Was there ever a time when it wasn't ? that's a good question. i could talk about the recent history of propaganda, and how the internet turned the information landscape upside down, and mutated it. for example, the 90s were more quaint, and the arrival of the internet meant that "mainstream media" became just one player, forced to compete with blogs and click-bait. any sense of responsibility that news executives may have felt for shepharding public opinion was removed, because people became able to browse information themselves, rather than just tuning in at 7pm to channel 7. the "mainstream media" transformed from more-or-less the only game in town into just another competitor. the forces that worked to corrupt the mainstream media now had a broader ecosystem to corrupt. the mainstream media became biased toward click-bait, because they were struggling to survive. people were disenfranchised by mainstream media and migrated toward internet information, and, in many cases, individuals ended up with much more deceptive information, depending on what they ended up looking at. so, it is different now, and more chaotic, and more complex. there was always some corruption and some deception, but mainstream media was also an old institution handed down from antiquity, which did include a certain conscience for wanting to guide the public to the extent it was able, and it had evolved and refined some good practices. now i encounter people who don't know the blogs they think superior to "MSM" are feeding them russian military intelligence disinformation designed to destabilize american society. but the part of your question i think is actually more interesting is the word brainwashing. it seems like a cartoonish idea, but it's actually something that comes to us from history. the 3rd reich has examples. the ww2 japanese army was pretty fanatical and kind of believed the emperor was a god. the north koreans are forced to believe a very sad and false set of information. i think the term "brainwashing" serves a purpose, as distinct from more regular mis-and-disinformation. there is a qualitative difference, when enough of a population believes fervently enough a set of information that is divorced enough from reality, and an environment is cultivated to maintain it. you enter a red state and it's very surreal and unsettling and everyone seems like a zombie. wikipedia is an interesting case, when it comes to epistemology. the most-used resource is the open-source one, where anyone can write to it (kind of). the wikipedia people designed some systems to enforce accuracy, and have been largely successful. one of their guiding principles is to gravitate toward information that is verifiable. they do not think in terms of truth. to the designers of wikipedia, there is no truth, there is only verifiability. they seek to favor the information that is the most verifiable. what's my point? you can hack verification. you put the same narratives in the facebook ads that are the narratives coming out of the mouths of the GOP politicians, which are the same narratives coming out of fox news, which are the same narratives coming from the president, which are the same narratives coming from rightist media, which are the same narratives being posted by inauthentic twitter accounts en masse. fox news, which showed up on the scene in 1996, strategized to be the PR arm of the republican party. by succeeding in this, they made themselves indispensable to the party, and now they actually are the spearhead. the other entities have learned that fox knows how to nose out the narratives that will fly with their audience, and those other entities have learned to pile onto those narratives. because these different actors in the ecosystem (congresspeople, fox, online content) parrot the party line, the consumer thinks they are verifying their info. this is brainwashing. it's spooky. it's hard to shake them out of it. they are pre-conditioned with defenses against the truth, like is done in cults! they're told not to trust the nyt, cnn, wapo, etc. they're told the democrats are lying about all their stuff, even when they're not. and these people in that bubble believe it, even though the sources they are told to distrust are more accurate, and the information they believe is false. i've been arguing about politics for a long time and i never had a sense of brainwashing like i do, these days, and i don't think it's me. i see how maybe it's difficult to know where to draw the line between brainwashing and non-brainwashing, but if you go hang out in north korea, you'll not miss the distinct quality. i've noticed waves of the effects of disinfo campaigns. all of a sudden, a lot of online posters are pushing a certain narrative or set of narratives that you know to be spin. to those who follow fact reporting, a big influx of spin narrative posting stands out. afterward, i learn about the disinfo campaigns that drove (or constituted) the posters. this is a new ingredient in society. twitter has reported that very significant portions of twitter content they believe to be inauthentic. there's no historical analogue to being inundated with impostors, pretending artificial identities, and calculatedly endeavoring to impart manipulative beliefs. i think that's another significant factor in the current state of information. we must evolve a social norm to value the skillset of being able to check information. that is the necessary adaptation to the change in the environment.

these people who claim to collect guns so they can topple an authoritarian have been tricked into supporting police militarization and brutality and an autocrat himself. that's fox/rightist brainwashing, in the states. we have an unmoored political party attached to a disingenuous media ecosystem. their platform drifts like an iceberg, pilotted by ratings and maybe some strange, deceptive political strategizing. we end up with people thinking it matters that the fbi suspected flynn would lie before they interviewed him, but don't think it matters that flynn lied to the fbi about his discussions with kislyak about sanctions. they think it matters that strzok texted page about not liking trump, but not that manafort's close associate was a russian spy, working closely on trump campaign matters during manafort's time as campaign manger. i don't shirk to public opinion. public opinion in the united states is kind of schizophrenic, right now. there is brainwashing going on, and people need to hear honest, informed takes. people kind of need for others to engage them on what actually matters, regarding political issues. i take the point on being data-centric, @goDel, but appealling to the masses on what matters? it's not that simple. the US is in a perilous position of brainwashing, right now. it's a horror movie to be in touch with the facts and to behold red states in which everyone is a fox-head, thoroughly stewed in a mythos that deflects facts of gravity. white supremacists fantasize about coming race wars. timothy mcveigh actually thought that his attack on the feds would encourage others to destabilize society so that, eventually, there could be a race war and i guess that issue could get settled or something. it's this weird, pent-up, subconscious energy derived from being descended from oppressors and feeling insecure about unpaid retribution. there have been many cases of white supremacists capitalizing on blm protests and taking actions to escalate confrontation and unrest. fox and the president are feeding this. trump wants unrest to worsen and has only worked to provoke that. he wants to not address the legitimate grievance of the demonstrators but to forcefully quash their movement. these are really dangerous times. we're entering flu season with 1,000 dying of covid/day. we're entering a depression. trump has been abusing power and carrying out plots to interfere with american democratic elections. biden spoke up about kenosha and said all violence is wrong and he's right. i'm not pro-riotting, i just am seeing a massive misrepresentation going on and i just can't stand by, to be seen as tacitly verifying it. the right is harping on a theme of there being an unrest problem, but what i'm seeing from the right is that they are provoking unrest. they needed an other, they found one, and they seem rather bent on keeping it.

i think it matters that the only part of blm the right pays attention to is the less than 1% in which some riot.

this is nonsense. yes there are large numbers of people peacefully protesting, mostly during the daytime, but it's clear there's also a committed core of shit heads on both sides stirring things up and wrecking shit, mostly at night. there have been protests in hundreds of cities and towns in the US for months. right after george floyd was murdered, tempers were high and a number of protests got out of hand in the first week, mostly the first weekend. after jacob blake was killed, again passions are high, people are furious before they cool down. i don't think any scientific study has been done, analyzing statistics of peaceful versus nonviolent events, but i suspect one would show organic violence at less than 1 percent. the right embraced their blm-demonization narrative because it was an escape from news cycles about covid, which were damaging them on a daily basis. kenosha certainly was a flair-up. my comment was directed at tim pool acting like rioting has been a huge problem for months. that's what is nonsense.

he doesn't cite the video he describes. i checked some coverage and it seems little is known about the portland homicide victim's story. maybe i'm missing some reporting? tim pool doesn't attribute the sources he references in his program, there. the body was found shortly after the trump convoy left downtown. the leader of the dude's gang was tight-lipped but confirmed the victim was in his rightist gang, and said he was a good friend of the gang. rightists misrepresenting the blm movement as rioters is grotesque. it concertedly dodges reality. the protests are overwhelmingly peaceful and most crime occuring in proximity to them is attributed to rightist counter-protestors, infiltrators or opportunists. fox insisting on focusing on the miniscule segment of instances that could be described as riotous (literally well below 1% of movement protests) pushes on the audience an alternate reality outlook that coincidentally props up the political party that rightist media strategized their business model around sustaining. pool is a particularly energetic creature of the rightist infosphere. he may act serious and wear a beanie but he doesn't check his info and likely doesn't know how to check his info.

tim is a known grifter

@ignatius what's going on over there