drillkicker Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 basically the synopsis is 'the music is challenging' , for being noisy/experimental or as this guy calls it 'textural masturbation' it 'doesn't have the beauty of fennesz, or hecker' ok cool. I mean it seems like he's one of those hipstery types of experimental music fans who can only appreciate really challenging sounds from a clinical perspective, like he appreciates what the show was in theory he just didn't enjoy it (not even talking about the really drunk sounding guy). I say hipstery because he just named off a bunch of bands that Pitchfork approves of that are 'experimental', they make very by my estimates pleasant approachable sounding music, its not really experimental in a literal sense for the most part, but what autechre are doing (even though it's dancey) is experimental to a larger degree. Its sort of like we're listening to two people who only Like 20 Jazz Funk Greats by Throbbing Gristle and think Second Annual report is a piece of garbage. don't trust em. edit: to their credit they endorse AE releasing their Live sets for people to buy, which i of course support 100%. edit2: really wished we got to hear more of the drunk guy, instead i just feel like i'm listening to Anthony Fantano about to go on a shooting spree. [drunk guy was a bit annoying at first, but by the end of this you'll wish his friend would shut the fuck up and just let him roll] Yeah, you summed up my opinion pretty well. The way he mentions artists whose names he can't even pronounce right is a good demonstration of how pretentious he is. He seems like he's trying to be Fantano or a p4k writer. The angry guy sounds like he was probably that kid at school who hung out with kids two years younger because he could convince them he was cool by swearing and having facial hair Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl0tch Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ^ Says the guy who wore a straw beret to an Autechre show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drillkicker Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ^ Says the guy who wore a straw beret to an Autechre show. What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spptrl alt del Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 i think he meant that it's a pretentious wardrobe accessory.. sup with your wardrobe, man.. you think you are Bill Laswell or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drillkicker Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I don't understand how it's pretentious and I don't know who Bill Laswell is. The hat was a gift from my grandfather and I like it. It reminds me of my grandparents and Germany, and it also looks good on me. Edit: I looked up Bill Laswell. None of the things I wear look anything like the things he wears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ^ Says the guy who wore a straw beret to an Autechre show. i googled straw beret and all the models were women, is this a women's hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drillkicker Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ^ Says the guy who wore a straw beret to an Autechre show. i googled straw beret and all the models were women, is this a women's hat? No, it's a hat that was bought in France by my grandfather when he was young (probably sometime in the '50s), and he used to wear it back when he had hair (which must have been a long time ago considering that my mother doesn't even remember a time when he had hair). The design of the one I wear isn't common, and I haven't seen any others that look like it, including on Google images. It certainly isn't a women's hat, though. I was told by my grandfather that it's a common type of hat in the south of France, where I presume he got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 So he bought the hat in the south France but it reminds you of Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drillkicker Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Actually it looks a lot like this one The one I have is a lot less thickly woven, though, and the pattern isn't circular like the one here. I guess it isn't really a beret, but that's just the most similar comparison I could make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl0tch Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Hold up Jiminy Cricket... you're busting balls on someone for how they pronounce a an uncommon last name (one that in 2015 mostly appears online as the written word), but you don't know who Bill Laswell is??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donotseemecricket Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 looks like a newspaper boy/golf cap to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drillkicker Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Hold up Jiminy Cricket... you're busting balls on someone for how they pronounce a an uncommon last name (one that in 2015 mostly appears online as the written word), but you don't know who Bill Laswell is??? I don't know why I'm supposed to be familiar with him. He doesn't seem to be affiliated with any of the music I listen to. looks like a newspaper boy/golf cap to me It isn't worn like one, but mine is shaped a bit differently now that I actually compared them. I don't want this to turn into a thread about my hat, though, which it sort of already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwolf Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Straw berets aside, all of these shenanigans prove the reason I've never been too excited to see Autechre live. They just press buttons in a dark room. Before you shoot me down I know the live sets music wise are awesome but I know the visual aspect is gonna leave me cold. It's probably why I've never bothered. Now back to straw berets, as its pretty lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kichiguy Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I would like to see autechre play live with lazzzer visuals by robin fox or tarik barri. That would be something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 My guess is the guys simply just had an experience with a bad sounding venue (or a bad sounding spot on the venue). The textural parts of the set would be challenging even on headphones, let alone a non-treated room. I can't really blame them. Most of the rhythms were buried in mud in Krakow which caused them to make no sense rhythmically/musically at all. Only after listening to other live versions of the set I was able to recognize patterns that were "missing" in Krakow. So if the set was mud like Krakow was I am not really surprised they did not like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phudoshin Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 But they never mention sound quality or the venue - not an issue for them - the abstract level of composition was their problem - perceived lack of hooks, comparisons to previous sets etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 My guess is the guys simply just had an experience with a bad sounding venue (or a bad sounding spot on the venue). The textural parts of the set would be challenging even on headphones, let alone a non-treated room. I can't really blame them. Most of the rhythms were buried in mud in Krakow which caused them to make no sense rhythmically/musically at all. Only after listening to other live versions of the set I was able to recognize patterns that were "missing" in Krakow. So if the set was mud like Krakow was I am not really surprised they did not like it. Probably should all just stop being selfish and kill ourselves right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan C Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I have nothing to add other than Tim Hecker is the worst Hecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Foil Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I have nothing to add other than Tim Hecker is the worst Hecker Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 genuine lol @ the walking out upset and saying "i want my money back cause i got slapped in the face with soft dogshit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 My guess is the guys simply just had an experience with a bad sounding venue (or a bad sounding spot on the venue). The textural parts of the set would be challenging even on headphones, let alone a non-treated room. I can't really blame them. Most of the rhythms were buried in mud in Krakow which caused them to make no sense rhythmically/musically at all. Only after listening to other live versions of the set I was able to recognize patterns that were "missing" in Krakow. So if the set was mud like Krakow was I am not really surprised they did not like it. Probably should all just stop being selfish and kill ourselves right? I don't understand, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 But they never mention sound quality or the venue - not an issue for them - the abstract level of composition was their problem - perceived lack of hooks, comparisons to previous sets etc They might have not realized it was a sound quality problem. Some people just don't have a clue and consider everything deliberate (especially with music like Ae's). Many people actually considered sound in Krakow to be great (dunno if they had luck for some magical sweet-spot in the room). And I have been to many horrible sounding concerts in the past that fans commented as "sounding crystal clear". Most of fans (of whatever artist) are reluctant to admit their favourite band sounded like shit. Cheap-Logitech-sub-woofer culture does not help it either. Most of the people I know have absolutely no idea how is music made and that there is more to that than just record instruments "in a studio or whatever". They have no idea there is something to consider about sound. Some people can't even spot a difference in acoustics around them when they go to/from bathroom even if you try to make them aware of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phudoshin Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Ah i get you.... good point Jev. gl0tch... any thoughts? After hearing some of the recorded shows, do you see thing differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheatheman Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 sean is in tears reading this thread. he is proud of yall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan C Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I have nothing to add other than Tim Hecker is the worst Hecker Wrong. Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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