Guest zaphod Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) What sort of things are you into, Zaphod? well iain i'm mainly into french symbolists and japanese poets like basho and issa some basho: This autumn - why am I growing old? bird disappearing among clouds. Midnight frost - I'd borrow the scarecrow's shirt. some issa: Mother I never knew, every time I see the ocean, every time - New Year's Day - everything is in blossom! I feel about average. Don't worry, spiders, I keep house casually. edit: this board's formatting screws these up, but you get the idea Edited July 23, 2009 by zaphod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEK Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i'm quite fond of mine *fishing for compliments* i used to tag, so yeah, that's what's up bitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Barn's burnt down-- now I can see the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 an open letter: you've made my skin and heart tough like tree trunks stuck in earth you tethered my hands with words and indifference thank you thank you without hardship there is no progress the colors aren't as bright the darks aren't as dark and each day would be an insurmountable shade of gray thank you thank you good one thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i'm quite fond of mine *fishing for compliments* i used to tag, so yeah, that's what's up bitches was your tag YEK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain C Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 What sort of things are you into, Zaphod? well iain i'm mainly into french symbolists and japanese poets like basho and issa some basho: This autumn - why am I growing old? bird disappearing among clouds. Midnight frost - I'd borrow the scarecrow's shirt. some issa: Mother I never knew, every time I see the ocean, every time - New Year's Day - everything is in blossom! I feel about average. Don't worry, spiders, I keep house casually. edit: this board's formatting screws these up, but you get the idea I don't generally read poetry in translation but some of these are nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doorjamb Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 and I laughed to the birds, though I don't think they heard, word of the shepherd (absurd is preferred), with the purr of a cat, cattle bellowing fat, billowing mellow and yellow and that. "If ever," quoth shepherd, not missing a step, "should quiver in leather some lather concept, accept said with pleasure, sweet release without measure." Unthinkingly clever; the weather, however, seems retrorespectively flat. -moi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManjuShri Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Algernon Swinburne - Dolores https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45283/dolores-notre-dame-des-sept-douleurs Cold eyelids that hide like a jewel Hard eyes that grow soft for an hour; The heavy white limbs, and the cruel Red mouth like a venomous flower; When these are gone by with their glories, What shall rest of thee then, what remain, O mystic and sombre Dolores, Our Lady of Pain? Seven sorrows the priests give their Virgin; But thy sins, which are seventy times seven, Seven ages would fail thee to purge in, And then they would haunt thee in heaven: Fierce midnights and famishing morrows, And the loves that complete and control All the joys of the flesh, all the sorrows That wear out the soul. O garment not golden but gilded, O garden where all men may dwell, O tower not of ivory, but builded By hands that reach heaven from hell; O mystical rose of the mire, O house not of gold but of gain, O house of unquenchable fire, Our Lady of Pain! O lips full of lust and of laughter, Curled snakes that are fed from my breast, Bite hard, lest remembrance come after And press with new lips where you pressed. For my heart too springs up at the pressure, Mine eyelids too moisten and burn; Ah, feed me and fill me with pleasure, Ere pain come in turn. In yesterday's reach and to-morrow's, Out of sight though they lie of to-day, There have been and there yet shall be sorrows That smite not and bite not in play. The life and the love thou despisest, These hurt us indeed, and in vain, O wise among women, and wisest, Our Lady of Pain. Who gave thee thy wisdom? what stories That stung thee, what visions that smote? Wert thou pure and a maiden, Dolores, When desire took thee first by the throat? What bud was the shell of a blossom That all men may smell to and pluck? What milk fed thee first at what bosom? What sins gave thee suck? We shift and bedeck and bedrape us, Thou art noble and nude and antique; Libitina thy mother, Priapus Thy father, a Tuscan and Greek. We play with light loves in the portal, And wince and relent and refrain; Loves die, and we know thee immortal, Our Lady of Pain. Fruits fail and love dies and time ranges; Thou art fed with perpetual breath, And alive after infinite changes, And fresh from the kisses of death; Of languors rekindled and rallied, Of barren delights and unclean, Things monstrous and fruitless, a pallid And poisonous queen. Could you hurt me, sweet lips, though I hurt you? Men touch them, and change in a trice The lilies and languors of virtue For the raptures and roses of vice; Those lie where thy foot on the floor is, These crown and caress thee and chain, O splendid and sterile Dolores, Our Lady of Pain. There are sins it may be to discover, There are deeds it may be to delight. What new work wilt thou find for thy lover, What new passions for daytime or night? What spells that they know not a word of Whose lives are as leaves overblown? What tortures undreamt of, unheard of, Unwritten, unknown? Ah beautiful passionate body That never has ached with a heart! On thy mouth though the kisses are bloody, Though they sting till it shudder and smart, More kind than the love we adore is, They hurt not the heart or the brain, O bitter and tender Dolores, Our Lady of Pain. As our kisses relax and redouble, From the lips and the foam and the fangs Shall no new sin be born for men's trouble, No dream of impossible pangs? With the sweet of the sins of old ages Wilt thou satiate thy soul as of yore? Too sweet is the rind, say the sages, Too bitter the core. Hast thou told all thy secrets the last time, And bared all thy beauties to one? Ah, where shall we go then for pastime, If the worst that can be has been done? But sweet as the rind was the core is; We are fain of thee still, we are fain, O sanguine and subtle Dolores, Our Lady of Pain. By the hunger of change and emotion, By the thirst of unbearable things, By despair, the twin-born of devotion, By the pleasure that winces and stings, The delight that consumes the desire, The desire that outruns the delight, By the cruelty deaf as a fire And blind as the night, By the ravenous teeth that have smitten Through the kisses that blossom and bud, By the lips intertwisted and bitten Till the foam has a savour of blood, By the pulse as it rises and falters, By the hands as they slacken and strain, I adjure thee, respond from thine altars, Our Lady of Pain. Wilt thou smile as a woman disdaining The light fire in the veins of a boy? But he comes to thee sad, without feigning, Who has wearied of sorrow and joy; Less careful of labour and glory Than the elders whose hair has uncurled: And young, but with fancies as hoary And grey as the world. I have passed from the outermost portal To the shrine where a sin is a prayer; What care though the service be mortal? O our Lady of Torture, what care? All thine the last wine that I pour is, The last in the chalice we drain, O fierce and luxurious Dolores, Our Lady of Pain. All thine the new wine of desire, The fruit of four lips as they clung Till the hair and the eyelids took fire, The foam of a serpentine tongue, The froth of the serpents of pleasure, More salt than the foam of the sea, Now felt as a flame, now at leisure As wine shed for me. Ah thy people, thy children, thy chosen, Marked cross from the womb and perverse! They have found out the secret to cozen The gods that constrain us and curse; They alone, they are wise, and none other; Give me place, even me, in their train, O my sister, my spouse, and my mother, Our Lady of Pain. For the crown of our life as it closes Is darkness, the fruit thereof dust; No thorns go as deep as a rose's, And love is more cruel than lust. Time turns the old days to derision, Our loves into corpses or wives; And marriage and death and division Make barren our lives. And pale from the past we draw nigh thee, And satiate with comfortless hours; And we know thee, how all men belie thee, And we gather the fruit of thy flowers; The passion that slays and recovers, The pangs and the kisses that rain On the lips and the limbs of thy lovers, Our Lady of Pain. The desire of thy furious embraces Is more than the wisdom of years, On the blossom though blood lie in traces, Though the foliage be sodden with tears. For the lords in whose keeping the door is That opens on all who draw breath Gave the cypress to love, my Dolores, The myrtle to death. And they laughed, changing hands in the measure, And they mixed and made peace after strife; Pain melted in tears, and was pleasure; Death tingled with blood, and was life. Like lovers they melted and tingled, In the dusk of thine innermost fane; In the darkness they murmured and mingled, Our Lady of Pain. In a twilight where virtues are vices, In thy chapels, unknown of the sun, To a tune that enthralls and entices, They were wed, and the twain were as one. For the tune from thine altar hath sounded Since God bade the world's work begin, And the fume of thine incense abounded, To sweeten the sin. Love listens, and paler than ashes, Through his curls as the crown on them slips, Lifts languid wet eyelids and lashes, And laughs with insatiable lips. Thou shalt hush him with heavy caresses, With music that scares the profane; Thou shalt darken his eyes with thy tresses, Our Lady of Pain. Thou shalt blind his bright eyes though he wrestle, Thou shalt chain his light limbs though he strive; In his lips all thy serpents shall nestle, In his hands all thy cruelties thrive. In the daytime thy voice shall go through him, In his dreams he shall feel thee and ache; Thou shalt kindle by night and subdue him Asleep and awake. Thou shalt touch and make redder his roses With juice not of fruit nor of bud; When the sense in the spirit reposes, Thou shalt quicken the soul through the blood. Thine, thine the one grace we implore is, Who would live and not languish or feign, O sleepless and deadly Dolores, Our Lady of Pain. Dost thou dream, in a respite of slumber, In a lull of the fires of thy life, Of the days without name, without number, When thy will stung the world into strife; When, a goddess, the pulse of thy passion Smote kings as they revelled in Rome; And they hailed thee re-risen, O Thalassian, Foam-white, from the foam? When thy lips had such lovers to flatter; When the city lay red from thy rods, And thine hands were as arrows to scatter The children of change and their gods; When the blood of thy foemen made fervent A sand never moist from the main, As one smote them, their lord and thy servant, Our Lady of Pain. On sands by the storm never shaken, Nor wet from the washing of tides; Nor by foam of the waves overtaken, Nor winds that the thunder bestrides; But red from the print of thy paces, Made smooth for the world and its lords, Ringed round with a flame of fair faces, And splendid with swords. There the gladiator, pale for thy pleasure, Drew bitter and perilous breath; There torments laid hold on the treasure Of limbs too delicious for death; When thy gardens were lit with live torches; When the world was a steed for thy rein; When the nations lay prone in thy porches, Our Lady of Pain. When, with flame all around him aspirant, Stood flushed, as a harp-player stands, The implacable beautiful tyrant, Rose-crowned, having death in his hands; And a sound as the sound of loud water Smote far through the flight of the fires, And mixed with the lightning of slaughter A thunder of lyres. Dost thou dream of what was and no more is, The old kingdoms of earth and the kings? Dost thou hunger for these things, Dolores, For these, in a world of new things? But thy bosom no fasts could emaciate, No hunger compel to complain Those lips that no bloodshed could satiate, Our Lady of Pain. As of old when the world's heart was lighter, Through thy garments the grace of thee glows, The white wealth of thy body made whiter By the blushes of amorous blows, And seamed with sharp lips and fierce fingers, And branded by kisses that bruise; When all shall be gone that now lingers, Ah, what shall we lose? Thou wert fair in the fearless old fashion, And thy limbs are as melodies yet, And move to the music of passion With lithe and lascivious regret. What ailed us, O gods, to desert you For creeds that refuse and restrain? Come down and redeem us from virtue, Our Lady of Pain. All shrines that were Vestal are flameless, But the flame has not fallen from this; Though obscure be the god, and though nameless The eyes and the hair that we kiss; Low fires that love sits by and forges Fresh heads for his arrows and thine; Hair loosened and soiled in mid orgies With kisses and wine. Thy skin changes country and colour, And shrivels or swells to a snake's. Let it brighten and bloat and grow duller, We know it, the flames and the flakes, Red brands on it smitten and bitten, Round skies where a star is a stain, And the leaves with thy litanies written, Our Lady of Pain. On thy bosom though many a kiss be, There are none such as knew it of old. Was it Alciphron once or Arisbe, Male ringlets or feminine gold, That thy lips met with under the statue, Whence a look shot out sharp after thieves From the eyes of the garden-god at you Across the fig-leaves? Then still, through dry seasons and moister, One god had a wreath to his shrine; Then love was the pearl of his oyster, And Venus rose red out of wine. We have all done amiss, choosing rather Such loves as the wise gods disdain; Intercede for us thou with thy father, Our Lady of Pain. In spring he had crowns of his garden, Red corn in the heat of the year, Then hoary green olives that harden When the grape-blossom freezes with fear; And milk-budded myrtles with Venus And vine-leaves with Bacchus he trod; And ye said, "We have seen, he hath seen us, A visible God." What broke off the garlands that girt you? What sundered you spirit and clay? Weak sins yet alive are as virtue To the strength of the sins of that day. For dried is the blood of thy lover, Ipsithilla, contracted the vein; Cry aloud, "Will he rise and recover, Our Lady of Pain?" Cry aloud; for the old world is broken: Cry out; for the Phrygian is priest, And rears not the bountiful token And spreads not the fatherly feast. From the midmost of Ida, from shady Recesses that murmur at morn, They have brought and baptized her, Our Lady, A goddess new-born. And the chaplets of old are above us, And the oyster-bed teems out of reach; Old poets outsing and outlove us, And Catullus makes mouths at our speech. Who shall kiss, in thy father's own city, With such lips as he sang with, again? Intercede for us all of thy pity, Our Lady of Pain. Out of Dindymus heavily laden Her lions draw bound and unfed A mother, a mortal, a maiden, A queen over death and the dead. She is cold, and her habit is lowly, Her temple of branches and sods; Most fruitful and virginal, holy, A mother of gods. She hath wasted with fire thine high places, She hath hidden and marred and made sad The fair limbs of the Loves, the fair faces Of gods that were goodly and glad. She slays, and her hands are not bloody; She moves as a moon in the wane, White-robed, and thy raiment is ruddy, Our Lady of Pain. They shall pass and their places be taken, The gods and the priests that are pure. They shall pass, and shalt thou not be shaken? They shall perish, and shalt thou endure? Death laughs, breathing close and relentless In the nostrils and eyelids of lust, With a pinch in his fingers of scentless And delicate dust. But the worm shall revive thee with kisses; Thou shalt change and transmute as a god, As the rod to a serpent that hisses, As the serpent again to a rod. Thy life shall not cease though thou doff it; Thou shalt live until evil be slain, And good shall die first, said thy prophet, Our Lady of Pain. Did he lie? did he laugh? does he know it, Now he lies out of reach, out of breath, Thy prophet, thy preacher, thy poet, Sin's child by incestuous Death? Did he find out in fire at his waking, Or discern as his eyelids lost light, When the bands of the body were breaking And all came in sight? Who has known all the evil before us, Or the tyrannous secrets of time? Though we match not the dead men that bore us At a song, at a kiss, at a crime — Though the heathen outface and outlive us, And our lives and our longings are twain — Ah, forgive us our virtues, forgive us, Our Lady of Pain. Who are we that embalm and embrace thee With spices and savours of song? What is time, that his children should face thee? What am I, that my lips do thee wrong? I could hurt thee — but pain would delight thee; Or caress thee — but love would repel; And the lovers whose lips would excite thee Are serpents in hell. Who now shall content thee as they did, Thy lovers, when temples were built And the hair of the sacrifice braided And the blood of the sacrifice spilt, In Lampsacus fervent with faces, In Aphaca red from thy reign, Who embraced thee with awful embraces, Our Lady of Pain? Where are they, Cotytto or Venus, Astarte or Ashtaroth, where? Do their hands as we touch come between us? Is the breath of them hot in thy hair? From their lips have thy lips taken fever, With the blood of their bodies grown red? Hast thou left upon earth a believer If these men are dead? They were purple of raiment and golden, Filled full of thee, fiery with wine, Thy lovers, in haunts unbeholden, In marvellous chambers of thine. They are fled, and their footprints escape us, Who appraise thee, adore, and abstain, O daughter of Death and Priapus, Our Lady of Pain. What ails us to fear overmeasure, To praise thee with timorous breath, O mistress and mother of pleasure, The one thing as certain as death? We shall change as the things that we cherish, Shall fade as they faded before, As foam upon water shall perish, As sand upon shore. We shall know what the darkness discovers, If the grave-pit be shallow or deep; And our fathers of old, and our lovers, We shall know if they sleep not or sleep. We shall see whether hell be not heaven, Find out whether tares be not grain, And the joys of thee seventy times seven, Our Lady of Pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManjuShri Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The following two examples from the Varṇārhavarṇa demonstrate well Mātṛceṭa's skill in handling the various types of alliteration of the Sanskrit language: sadā sadācāravidhāyine 'yine kṣarākṣarāptapratisaṁvide vide | mahāmahāyāpratimāya te yate namo namo'rhāya mahārhate 'rhate | Homage to you, ascetic, who follows the (right) path and always practices the conduct of the good; the knower who has the specific knowledge of the perishable and eternal, endowed with great might, incomparable, the great and worthy Arhat who deserves praise! In each line of the stanza, the first and last syllables are doubled, but in such an ingenious way that there is never a repetition of meaning. This stylistic device is very difficult to accomplish and not attested to elsewhere before the time of Mātṛceṭa. samāsatkārasatkāraṁ lokasatkṛtasatkṛtam | satkṛtya satkaromi tvā satkārāvanatendriyaḥ | The organs of my senses turned to worship, I worship you again and again, you who are indifferent to worship and lack of worship and are worshipped by those who are themselves objects of worship for the world. Here Mātṛceṭa plays with the repeated use of different derivations from the verbal compound sat-√kṛ, "to worship, to honour". The effect of these repetitions is a certain intensity and solemnity. While the first example is an exceptional case, this second type of repetition is comparatively frequent and one of Mātṛceṭa's favourite means of creating verbal intensity. The device was perhaps inherited from other didactic works such as Nāgārjuna's "Necklace of Jewels", where it is also used frequently. Above all, Mātṛceṭa's style is characterised by the deceptive simplicity with which it expresses thoughts of great value and depth. This specific combination of simplicity and profundity was the cause for Mātṛceṭa's lasting fame in the Buddhist world, both in India and beyond, and his renown as the "author of hymns" (stotrakāra) par excellance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 just read all my comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManjuShri Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Ananda Thera: Ananda Alone Translator's note: These mournful words were uttered by Ananda in the Theragatha, the Poems of the Elders, and reveal a very human side of one of the canon's most sensitive characters. Ananda was the Buddha's cousin and personal attendant, and was always to be found at the master's side throughout the many years of wandering and teaching. As Ananda put it: "For twenty five years I served the Lord with loving deeds, loving words and loving thoughts — when the Buddha paced to and fro, I paced along behind." (Thag 1041-44) It is Ananda who washed his feet at the end of the day, who arranged his interviews and protected his solitude as best he could, and who tended him lovingly during his final illness. It is Ananda also who we find weeping bitterly at the passing away of the Buddha, and being gently admonished for it by the teacher of non-attachment to changing phenomena (D16:5.14). After the Buddha's final passing Ananda seems to have been treated somewhat badly by some of the other monks, who were jealous of his close relationship with the master. Poems like this one suggest that Ananda passed a lonely old age and never ceased mourning for his beloved teacher and friend. 1034. All the directions are obscure, The teachings are not clear to me; With our benevolent friend gone, It seems as if all is darkness. 1035. For one whose friend has passed away, One whose teacher is gone for good, There is no friend that can compare With mindfulness of the body. 1036. The old ones have all passed away; I do not fit in with the new. And so today I muse alone Like a bird who has gone to roost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdctvsm Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 “You Don’t Know What Love Is” by Raymond Carver Spoiler You don’t know what love is Bukowski said I’m 51 years old look at me I’m in love with this young broad I got it bad but she’s hung up too so it’s all right man that’s the way it should be I get in their blood and they can’t get me out They try everything to get away from me but they all come back in the end They all came back to me except the one I planted I cried over that one but I cried easy in those days Don’t let me get onto the hard stuff man I get mean then I could sit here and drink beer with you hippies all night I could drink ten quarts of this beer and nothing it’s like water But let me get onto the hard stuff and I’ll start throwing people out windows I’ll throw anybody out the window I’ve done it But you don’t know what love is You don’t know because you’ve never been in love it’s that simple I got this young broad see she’s beautiful She calls me Bukowski Bukowski she says in this little voice and I say What But you don’t know what love is I’m telling you what it is but you aren’t listening There isn’t one of you in this room would recognize love if it stepped up and buggered you in the ass I used to think poetry readings were a copout Look I’m 51 years old and I’ve been around I know they’re a copout but I said to myself Bukowski starving is even more of a copout So there you are and nothing is like it should be That fellow what’s his name Galway Kinnell I saw his picture in a magazine He has a handsome mug on him but he’s a teacher Christ can you imagine But then you’re teachers too here I am insulting you already No I haven’t heard of him or him either They’re all termites Maybe it’s ego I don’t read much anymore but these people who build reputations on five or six books termites Bukowski she says Why do you listen to classical music all day Can’t you hear her saying that Bukowski why do you listen to classical music all day That surprises you doesn’t it You wouldn’t think a crude bastard like me could listen to classical music all day Brahms Rachmaninoff Bartok Telemann Shit I couldn’t write up here Too quiet up here too many trees I like the city that’s the place for me I put on my classical music each morning and sit down in front of my typewriter I light a cigar and I smoke it like this see and I say Bukowski you’re a lucky man Bukowski you’ve gone through it all and you’re a lucky man and the blue smoke drifts across the table and I look out the window onto Delongpre Avenue and I see people walking up and down the sidewalk and I puff on the cigar like this and then I lay the cigar in the ashtray like this and take a deep breath and I begin to write Bukowski this is the life I say it’s good to be poor it’s good to have hemorrhoids it’s good to be in love But you don’t know what it’s like You don’t know what it’s like to be in love If you could see her you’d know what I mean She thought I’d come up here and get laid She just knew it She told me she knew it Shit I’m 51 years old and she’s 25 and we’re in love and she’s jealous Jesus it’s beautiful she said she’d claw my eyes out if I came up here and got laid Now that’s love for you What do any of you know about it Let me tell you something I’ve met men in jail who had more style than the people who hang around colleges and go to poetry readings They’re bloodsuckers who come to see if the poet’s socks are dirty or if he smells under the arms Believe me I won’t disappoint em But I want you to remember this there’s only one poet in this room tonight only one poet in this town tonight maybe only one real poet in this country tonight and that’s me What do any of you know about life What do any of you know about anything Which of you here has been fired from a job or else has beaten up your broad or else has been beaten up by your broad I was fired from Sears and Roebuck five times They’d fire me then hire me back again I was a stockboy for them when I was 35 and then got canned for stealing cookies I know what’s it like I’ve been there I’m 51 years old now and I’m in love This little broad she says Bukowski and I say What and she says I think you’re full of shit and I say baby you understand me She’s the only broad in the world man or woman I’d take that from But you don’t know what love is They all came back to me in the end too every one of em came back except that one I told you about the one I planted We were together seven years We used to drink a lot I see a couple of typers in this room but I don’t see any poets I’m not surprised You have to have been in love to write poetry and you don’t know what it is to be in love that’s your trouble Give me some of that stuff That’s right no ice good That’s good that’s just fine So let’s get this show on the road I know what I said but I’ll have just one That tastes good Okay then let’s go let’s get this over with only afterwards don’t anyone stand close to an 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lucivalc Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 [http://www] If—Rudyard Kipling IF you can keep your head when all about youAre losing theirs and blaming it on you,If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,But make allowance for their doubting too;If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,Or being hated, don't give way to hating,And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;If you can meet with Triumph and DisasterAnd treat those two impostors just the same;If you can bear to hear the truth you've spokenTwisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:If you can make one heap of all your winningsAnd risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,And lose, and start again at your beginningsAnd never breathe a word about your loss;If you can force your heart and nerve and sinewTo serve your turn long after they are gone,And so hold on when there is nothing in youExcept the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,If all men count with you, but none too much;If you can fill the unforgiving minuteWith sixty seconds' worth of distance run,Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak of the week Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Ovce pasla Milja materina, Za njom majka užinu prinaša: Sedam oka goveđine mesa, Prinosila devet ovsenica, I dvanaest oka mlaćenica I šest oka sira prdenjaka. Onda veli Milja materina: »Jao, majko, lagane užine, Kako ću ti ići za ovcama!« Ražljuti se, pa oskaka dvoru, Sve izjede što kod dvora nađe, Samo ljeba dvanaest vuruna, I još do dva vola bikovita, I još do dva ovna škuljevita, I dva mlada jarca prčevita, I izjede punu bašcu luka, I još jadna sve od gladi kuka, I popila šest akova vina, I četiri žežene rakije, I popila tri kabline meće I još jadna sve kuka od žeđe! Onda joj je majka besjedila: »Ćeri moja, teške su ti rane, Kogod čuje uzeti te neće!« Skoči Milja kako lastavica, Kučka prde kako magarica, Ljuto Milji pišati prituži, A kad pišnu, pas joj jebó majku, Ode voda preko svega polja I obori devet vodenica I dvanaest stupa valjarica; Vrag nanese trideset svatova, Te na konj'ma jedva preplivaše; Kad se posra, da joj jebem majku, Tri je njive ona nagnojila, Jedva svati na konj'ma prejaše I konji se mlogi zaglibiše. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManjuShri Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Algernon Swinburne - The Leper Nothing is better, I well think, Than love; the hidden well-water Is not so delicate to drink: This was well seen of me and her. I served her in a royal house; I served her wine and curious meat. For will to kiss between her brows, I had no heart to sleep or eat. Mere scorn God knows she had of me, A poor scribe, nowise great or fair, Who plucked his clerk's hood back to see Her curled-up lips and amorous hair. I vex my head with thinking this. Yea, though God always hated me, And hates me now that I can kiss Her eyes, plait up her hair to see How she then wore it on the brows, Yet am I glad to have her dead Here in this wretched wattled house Where I can kiss her eyes and head. Nothing is better, I well know, Than love; no amber in cold sea Or gathered berries under snow: That is well seen of her and me. Three thoughts I make my pleasure of: First I take heart and think of this: That knight's gold hair she chose to love, His mouth she had such will to kiss. Then I remember that sundawn I brought him by a privy way Out at her lattice, and thereon What gracious words she found to say. (Cold rushes for such little feet — Both feet could lie into my hand. A marvel was it of my sweet Her upright body could so stand.) "Sweet friend, God give you thank and grace; Now am I clean and whole of shame, Nor shall men burn me in the face For my sweet fault that scandals them." I tell you over word by word. She, sitting edgewise on her bed, Holding her feet, said thus. The third, A sweeter thing than these, I said. God, that makes time and ruins it And alters not, abiding God, Changed with disease her body sweet, The body of love wherein she abode. Love is more sweet and comelier Than a dove's throat strained out to sing. All they spat out and cursed at her And cast her forth for a base thing. They cursed her, seeing how God had wrought This curse to plague her, a curse of his. Fools were they surely, seeing not How sweeter than all sweet she is. He that had held her by the hair, With kissing lips blinding her eyes, Felt her bright bosom, strained and bare, Sigh under him, with short mad cries Out of her throat and sobbing mouth And body broken up with love, With sweet hot tears his lips were loth Her own should taste the savour of Yea, he inside whose grasp all night Her fervent body leapt or lay, Stained with sharp kisses red and white, Found her a plague to spurn away. I hid her in this wattled house, I served her water and poor bread. For joy to kiss between her brows Time upon time I was nigh dead. Bread failed; we got but well-water And gathered grass with dropping seed. I had such joy of kissing her, I had small care to sleep or feed. Sometimes when service made me glad The sharp tears leapt between my lids, Falling on her, such joy I had To do the service God forbids. "I pray you let me be at peace, Get hence, make room for me to die." She said that: her poor lip would cease, Put up to mine, and turn to cry. I said, "Bethink yourself how love Fared in us twain, what either did; Shall I unclothe my soul thereof? That I should do this, God forbid." Yea, though God hateth us, he knows That hardly in a little thing Love faileth of the work it does Till it grow ripe for gathering. Six months, and now my sweet is dead A trouble takes me; I know not If all were done well, all well said, No word or tender deed forgot. Too sweet, for the least part in her, To have shed life out by fragments; yet, Could the close mouth catch breath and stir, I might see something I forget. Six months, and I sit still and hold In two cold palms her cold two feet. Her hair, half grey half ruined gold, Thrills me and burns me in kissing it. Love bites and stings me through, to see Her keen face made of sunken bones. Her worn-off eyelids madden me, That were shot through with purple once. She said, "Be good with me; I grow So tired for shame's sake, I shall die If you say nothing:" even so. And she is dead now, and shame put by. Yea, and the scorn she had of me In the old time, doubtless vexed her then. I never should have kissed her. See What fools God's anger makes of men! She might have loved me a little too, Had I been humbler for her sake. But that new shame could make love new She saw not — yet her shame did make. I took too much upon my love, Having for such mean service done Her beauty and all the ways thereof, Her face and all the sweet thereon. Yea, all this while I tended her, I know the old love held fast his part: I know the old scorn waxed heavier, Mixed with sad wonder, in her heart. It may be all my love went wrong — A scribe's work writ awry and blurred, Scrawled after the blind evensong — Spoilt music with no perfect word. But surely I would fain have done All things the best I could. Perchance Because I failed, came short of one, She kept at heart that other man's. I am grown blind with all these things: It may be now she hath in sight Some better knowledge; still there clings The old question. Will not God do right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdctvsm Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Gift, by Czesław Miłosz A day so happy. Fog lifted early, I worked in the garden. Hummingbirds were stopping over honeysuckle flowers. There was no thing on earth I wanted to possess. I knew no one worth my envying him. Whatever evil I had suffered, I forgot. To think that once I was the same man did not embarrass me. In my body I felt no pain. When straightening up, I saw the blue sea and sails. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEK Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I've been collecting shel silverstein books, the kids ones and adult ones... would recommend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdctvsm Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Girl of Lightning, by Heid e. Erdrich The bodies seemed so much like sleeping children that working with them felt “almost more like a kidnapping than archaeological work,” Dr. Miremont said. —New York Times, September 11, 2007 Thunder loves you, mumbles charms to warm you—folded cold body. Lightning’s pity picks you, licks a kiss, but what’s left to wick? Even direct hits miss— no amount of flash and hiss fires you. Inviolate virgin, inflammable channel to Gods long gone or gone underground, ghost-gray flecks left in the rock altar, your shelter for five centuries where you huddled, red-painted hair and wreathed with feathers. Weave threads of your shawl— not a shroud since you were live when left for dead—weave cover please, I beg your handlers. Pull stitches so that wound closes over your smoldered remains. They say you clutch your mother’s hair, strands in a bag sent up the mountain, an introduction to the Gods of Science, who read threaded DNA to determine who you were related to when human. Not the crushed boy near you, no brother he nor sister the girl, bound away to sacred silence, cased in plastic cased in glass. Visitors point and justify the past: See what they did—child sacrifice. Fattened ’em up, drugged ’em— Spanish violence, Christian influence, border fences, all deserved because of her wad of coca leaves and elaborate braids. Lightning’s mark spares you display. Singed cheek and blasted chest, blackened flesh looks less asleep, flashed back the fact you’re dead, a charred mummy, so far gone even Lightning’s longing couldn’t wake you. Thunder won’t forget you, hums a generator’s song in cooler vents to your coiled form in cold storage— song of your six years plus five centuries come to this: doom, doom, doom. Lightning still sighs: release, release, release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdctvsm Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 A Love Poem, by Charles Bukowski all the women all their kisses the different ways they love and talk and need. they ears, they all have ears and throats and dresses and shoes and automobiles and ex husbands. mostly the women are very warm they remind me of buttered toast with the butter melted in. there is a look in the eye: they have been taken they have been fooled. I don’t quite know what to do for them. I am a fair cook a good listener but I never learned to dance – I was busy then with larger things. but I’ve enjoyed their different beds smoking cigarettes staring at the ceilings. I was neither vicious nor unfair. only a student. I know they all have these feet and barefoot they go across the floor as I watch their bashful buttocks in the dark. I know that they like me, some even love me but I love very few. some give orange and vitamin pils; others talk very quietly of childhood and fathers and landscapes; some are almost crazy but none of them are without meaning; some love well, others not so; the best at sex are not always the best in order ways; each has limits as I have limits and we learn each other quickly. all the women all the women all the bedrooms the rugs the photos the curtains, it’s something like a church only at times there’s laughter. those ears those arms those elbows those eyes looking, the fondness and the wanting I have been held have been held. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdctvsm Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 The Monkey, by Vladislav Khodasevich, Translated by Vladimir Nabokov The heat was fierce. Great forests were on fire. Time dragged its feet in dust. A cock was crowing in an adjacent lot. As I pushed open my garden-gate I saw beside the road a wandering Serb asleep upon a bench, his back against the palings. He was lean and very black, and down his half-bared breast there hung a heavy silver cross, diverting the trickling sweat. Upon the fence above him, clad in a crimson petticoat, his monkey sat munching greedily the dusty leaves of a syringa bush; a leathern collar drawn backwards by its heavy chain bit deep into her throat. Hearing me pass, the man stirred, wiped his face, and asked me for some water. He took one sip to see whether the drink was not too cold, then placed a saucerful upon the bench, and, instantly, the monkey slipped down and clasped the saucer with both hands dipping her thumbs; then, on all fours, she drank, her elbows pressed against the bench, her chin touching the boards, her backbone arching higher than her bald head. Thus, surely, did Darius bend to a puddle on the road when fleeing from Alexander's thundering phalanges. When the last drop was sucked the monkey swept the saucer off the bench, and raised her head, and offered me her black wet little hand. Oh, I have pressed the fingers of great poets, leaders of men, fair women, but no hand had ever been so exquisitely shaped nor had touched mine with such a thrill of kinship, and no man's eyes had peered into my soul with such deep wisdom . . . Legends of lost ages awoke in me thanks to that dingy beast and suddenly I saw life in its fullness and with a rush of wind and wave and worlds the organ music of the universe boomed in my ears, as it had done before in immemorial woodlands. And the Serb then went his way thumping his tambourine; on his left shoulder, like an Indian prince upon an elephant, his monkey swayed. A huge incarnadine but sunless sun hung in a milky haze. The sultry summer flowed endlessly upon the wilting wheat. That day the war broke out, that very day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 As long as your poetry thread activities don't interfere with your DANK MEME responsibilities I have nothing against it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 6:36 PM, ManjuShri said: Ananda Thera: Ananda Alone Translator's note: These mournful words were uttered by Ananda in the Theragatha, the Poems of the Elders, and reveal a very human side of one of the canon's most sensitive characters. Ananda was the Buddha's cousin and personal attendant, and was always to be found at the master's side throughout the many years of wandering and teaching. As Ananda put it: "For twenty five years I served the Lord with loving deeds, loving words and loving thoughts — when the Buddha paced to and fro, I paced along behind." (Thag 1041-44) It is Ananda who washed his feet at the end of the day, who arranged his interviews and protected his solitude as best he could, and who tended him lovingly during his final illness. It is Ananda also who we find weeping bitterly at the passing away of the Buddha, and being gently admonished for it by the teacher of non-attachment to changing phenomena (D16:5.14). After the Buddha's final passing Ananda seems to have been treated somewhat badly by some of the other monks, who were jealous of his close relationship with the master. Poems like this one suggest that Ananda passed a lonely old age and never ceased mourning for his beloved teacher and friend. 1034. All the directions are obscure, The teachings are not clear to me; With our benevolent friend gone, It seems as if all is darkness. 1035. For one whose friend has passed away, One whose teacher is gone for good, There is no friend that can compare With mindfulness of the body. 1036. The old ones have all passed away; I do not fit in with the new. And so today I muse alone Like a bird who has gone to roost. It's very interesting that someone who was so close to the Buddha seemingly failed to understand one of his key teachings - that impermanence is one of the few certainties in life, and as such, death is not the end, but merely a transition. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ManjuShri Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Siegfried Sassoon - To Any Dead Officer Well, how are things in Heaven? I wish you’d say, Because I’d like to know that you’re all right. Tell me, have you found everlasting day, Or been sucked in by everlasting night? For when I shut my eyes your face shows plain; I hear you make some cheery old remark— I can rebuild you in my brain, Though you’ve gone out patrolling in the dark. You hated tours of trenches; you were proud Of nothing more than having good years to spend; Longed to get home and join the careless crowd Of chaps who work in peace with Time for friend. That’s all washed out now. You’re beyond the wire: No earthly chance can send you crawling back; You’ve finished with machine-gun fire— Knocked over in a hopeless dud-attack. Somehow I always thought you’d get done in, Because you were so desperate keen to live: You were all out to try and save your skin, Well knowing how much the world had got to give. You joked at shells and talked the usual “shop,” Stuck to your dirty job and did it fine: With “Jesus Christ! when will it stop? Three years... It’s hell unless we break their line.” So when they told me you’d been left for dead I wouldn’t believe them, feeling it must be true. Next week the bloody Roll of Honour said “Wounded and missing”—(That’s the thing to do When lads are left in shell-holes dying slow, With nothing but blank sky and wounds that ache, Moaning for water till they know It’s night, and then it’s not worth while to wake!) Good-bye, old lad! Remember me to God, And tell Him that our politicians swear They won’t give in till Prussian Rule’s been trod Under the Heel of England... Are you there?... Yes... and the war won’t end for at least two years; But we’ve got stacks of men... I’m blind with tears, Staring into the dark. Cheero! I wish they’d killed you in a decent show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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