Guest Super lurker ultra V12 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 a fog passed me this link http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/opera_confirms_neutrinos_travel_faster_light-84763 + reddit thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babar Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 It makes absolutely zero sense to even talk about 70 km/s/Mpc on terrestrial scales. That expansion isn't just outweighed by local gravitational effects; it doesn't exist here. Please define "exist" As in, if you mathematically model the spacetime around the Earth, the cosmic expansion isn't even a factor which somehow gets outweighed by other things, it's straight-up not there. there as 'in the model' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Super lurker ultra V12 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 neutrino hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essines Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Babar...... fuckin' Babar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 It makes absolutely zero sense to even talk about 70 km/s/Mpc on terrestrial scales. That expansion isn't just outweighed by local gravitational effects; it doesn't exist here. Please define "exist" As in, if you mathematically model the spacetime around the Earth, the cosmic expansion isn't even a factor which somehow gets outweighed by other things, it's straight-up not there. there as 'in the model' ? if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Big deal. We're all professional weirdos down here. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 also babar's doing his usual mire-the-discussion-in-semantics shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Babar is the king of weirdos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essines Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I find he is mostly the king of annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 He is mentally ill, give him a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 This is quite exciting (the neutrino stuff, not the discussion on Babar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Super lurker ultra V12 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 from neil degrasse tyson's ama: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babar Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist. yet you're the utterer. But this post is quite pictorial of what kind of era we live in. We're living in the scientist age, and we think there is an absolute external reality, from which we can deduce what is true and false, what is good and bad. This is a time where people blindly follow the opinion of specialists that get their knowledge from powerful symbolic languages and feed it back to the community in the form of natural language – without even having a theoretical framework that explains how this translation should be done. (I'm not saying what these specialist say is wrong, i'm questioning). We are all focusing on forms and results, yet we don't know much about the way we obtain it. We consider knowledge to be inscribed in matter and often forget it is meaningless if we don't have the right way to process the media they're written on. We're obsessed with final outputs and don't give much importance to the methods that allowed us to get them. We have science without conscience. So am I ill ? Maybe. But look around. We're living at the edge of the era of Man. Our world is coming to an end, species are evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate and weather is changing in unpredictable ways. We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear. I don't want to be part of this, i'm not gonna practice easy criticism on "bigots" as we have been doing for the past 200 years and swallow any scientific truth without questioning it in depth, because obviously, it's leading us into the big nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 here we go again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theSun Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 i want to live in babars head for a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaarg Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 He's got valid philosophical points, I enjoy his every post, even druggy ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist. yet you're the utterer. But this post is quite pictorial of what kind of era we live in. We're living in the scientist age, and we think there is an absolute external reality, from which we can deduce what is true and false, what is good and bad. This is a time where people blindly follow the opinion of specialists that get their knowledge from powerful symbolic languages and feed it back to the community in the form of natural language – without even having a theoretical framework that explains how this translation should be done. (I'm not saying what these specialist say is wrong, i'm questioning). We are all focusing on forms and results, yet we don't know much about the way we obtain it. We consider knowledge to be inscribed in matter and often forget it is meaningless if we don't have the right way to process the media they're written on. We're obsessed with final outputs and don't give much importance to the methods that allowed us to get them. We have science without conscience. So am I ill ? Maybe. But look around. We're living at the edge of the era of Man. Our world is coming to an end, species are evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate and weather is changing in unpredictable ways. We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear. I don't want to be part of this, i'm not gonna practice easy criticism on "bigots" as we have been doing for the past 200 years and swallow any scientific truth without questioning it in depth, because obviously, it's leading us into the big nowhere. i love you, you french elephant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 say what you will, but the image of an elephant evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate is pretty poetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 It's not like it's the first mass extinction we've ever faced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear. I see dread in people who can't appreciate things like elegant solutions to sitting and being warm. I like you Babar but I'm pouring my bright orange French dressing on the sidewalk right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 if you look at the reddit thread, you're not arguing with me in those two quotes. you're arguing with, respectively, a professional specialist in gravitational wave theory, and a professional theoretical cosmologist. yet you're the utterer. But this post is quite pictorial of what kind of era we live in. We're living in the scientist age, and we think there is an absolute external reality, from which we can deduce what is true and false, what is good and bad. This is a time where people blindly follow the opinion of specialists that get their knowledge from powerful symbolic languages and feed it back to the community in the form of natural language – without even having a theoretical framework that explains how this translation should be done. (I'm not saying what these specialist say is wrong, i'm questioning). We are all focusing on forms and results, yet we don't know much about the way we obtain it. We consider knowledge to be inscribed in matter and often forget it is meaningless if we don't have the right way to process the media they're written on. We're obsessed with final outputs and don't give much importance to the methods that allowed us to get them. We have science without conscience. So am I ill ? Maybe. But look around. We're living at the edge of the era of Man. Our world is coming to an end, species are evaporating like alcohol on a glass plate and weather is changing in unpredictable ways. We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear. I don't want to be part of this, i'm not gonna practice easy criticism on "bigots" as we have been doing for the past 200 years and swallow any scientific truth without questioning it in depth, because obviously, it's leading us into the big nowhere. i love you, you french elephant. Have you heard from America lately? Science is a bad word here. We're so enlightened. Juggalos 4 Christ up yo ass muthafucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest underscore Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 i don't understand this, when I heard it was a gps related data problem I got a good lol, but now they are claiming to have reproduced it. what is this shit, i don't even know, my best friend is a physicist and he's telling me this is bullshit, who do i believe, what the tits is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 It's too early to call it. They still need to repeat the experiments in other labs to see if it really is true. Most are skeptical, as they should be, since relativity has so far withstood countless of experiments that confirmed it. Now that one staple such as the speed limit is being questioned there will be some raised eyebrows. But from what I understand if it is indeed true that neutrinos travel faster than light it's not going to mean that all the physics theories need to be rebuilt from scratch. They just need some tweaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 barman says... "sorry, we don't serve neutrinos" ... a neutrino enters a bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babar Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 It's not like it's the first mass extinction we've ever faced. depends what 'we' means. If it means the collectivity of homo sapiens, then yes it's the first. i want to live in babars head for a day mostly, I feel lonely. I feel strong. We foresee the dread that is ahead then get back to interests that are not really ours – chairs, jackets, etc ... – forgetting things are seen as they appear. I see dread in people who can't appreciate things like elegant solutions to sitting and being warm. I like you Babar but I'm pouring my bright orange French dressing on the sidewalk right now. We regularly receive in our mailbox ads for that awesome bose sound system, and my mom always shows me the flyer, telling me how she'd like to buy one. Beyond the fact she'll get owned once she owns this thing, I asked her why she wants to buy it. "I don't know", she said, "I feel bad". So you're talking about chairs and jackets like elegant solutions. To what problems ? Don't you already have chairs to sit your ass on and jackets to wrap your flesh into ? Have you heard from America lately? Science is a bad word here. We're so enlightened. Juggalos 4 Christ up yo ass muthafucker! yeah yeah, I forgot about american creationists … But maybe there is room for these people in the scientific debate. Instead of focusing on the invalidity of their points, maybe you could make them surf on their own god-related dynamics. Many great scientists were believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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