gmanyo Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 FOR ANYONE REALLY DESPERATE You could try ibogaine. The stuff is questionable, and I'm really suspicious of it, but I've also heard amazing things about it. There are also some bad stories, though. I would suggest researching both the drug itself and the clinic you want to go to if you are going to try ibogaine. Spore, have you considered Ibogaine? As far as I know its the only thing to exist ever with a good track record for stopping addictions cold-turkey. Very little actual clinical evidence, if any exist at all though. But hey, there's a lot of ex-junkies still alive thanks to that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posture Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 Yeah I've know about Ibogaine for a year or two, haven't ever seriously considered it tho. Thanks to those who have brought it up as it supposedly helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I've got chronic neck and back pain like a motherfucker, so I was taking 3-6 tramadol a day for a couple years alongside cyclobenzaprine. I haven't been taking them consistently for a while, but they're still in my life now and then. It really sucks, because every time I take them I feel way better, I'm more productive, and I'm more social. I also got screwed out of a study for my wisdom teeth, but I'd already filled the prescription, so when I actually got them out I had two different strengths of hydrocodone. They were awesome for my pain, but damn was I unhappy for a couple weeks when they ran out. Not fun. Really not fun. Where tramadol sucks afterwards, an actual opiate like hydrocodone makes you feel like shit. Those withdrawals were awful. If you have a legit reason to take any kind of painkillers, I suggest physical therapy and more natural remedies if possible. Also, tramadol = sex for ages. would you say that Tramadol (ultram?) is just as addictive as opiates like vicodin? the reason i ask is because a good friend of mine's wife takes them everynight and she has a series of health problems like an issue with light sensitivities and headaches but i can't help but feel like she's mostly home-bound because of the amount of painkillers she takes a night (and not because of her other health issues) . I always heard tramadol was a lot more mild than vicodin, but is it? You're absolutely right she's bound to her home due to the painkillers, and not exactly the pain - all these medicines designed to alleviate the pain do is (temporarily) alleviate the pain - they don't address or solve the reason for the pain. Add to the fact most have side-effects, the net outcome for the patient is still having the original problem, a possible addiction to the pain medicine, any short and long-term side effects of the pain medication, and possibly the original problem getting worse since pain is designed to prevent the body from moving or doing things so it can heal, and not having that pain means potentially more damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posture Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 Some Opiate related humor, gotta have a sense of humor even when your fiending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posture Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 I've got chronic neck and back pain like a motherfucker, so I was taking 3-6 tramadol a day for a couple years alongside cyclobenzaprine. I haven't been taking them consistently for a while, but they're still in my life now and then. It really sucks, because every time I take them I feel way better, I'm more productive, and I'm more social. I also got screwed out of a study for my wisdom teeth, but I'd already filled the prescription, so when I actually got them out I had two different strengths of hydrocodone. They were awesome for my pain, but damn was I unhappy for a couple weeks when they ran out. Not fun. Really not fun. Where tramadol sucks afterwards, an actual opiate like hydrocodone makes you feel like shit. Those withdrawals were awful. If you have a legit reason to take any kind of painkillers, I suggest physical therapy and more natural remedies if possible. Also, tramadol = sex for ages. would you say that Tramadol (ultram?) is just as addictive as opiates like vicodin? the reason i ask is because a good friend of mine's wife takes them everynight and she has a series of health problems like an issue with light sensitivities and headaches but i can't help but feel like she's mostly home-bound because of the amount of painkillers she takes a night (and not because of her other health issues) . I always heard tramadol was a lot more mild than vicodin, but is it? You're absolutely right she's bound to her home due to the painkillers, and not exactly the pain - all these medicines designed to alleviate the pain do is (temporarily) alleviate the pain - they don't address or solve the reason for the pain. Add to the fact most have side-effects, the net outcome for the patient is still having the original problem, a possible addiction to the pain medicine, any short and long-term side effects of the pain medication, and possibly the original problem getting worse since pain is designed to prevent the body from moving or doing things so it can heal, and not having that pain means potentially more damage. Not only that but long term use of opiates causes more pain and opiate receptors to grow so the pain gets worse and you need more painkillers. The painkillers don't even really take away the pain they just make you euphoric and sleepy and change how you feel about having the pain, vs. facing it without anything. They don't cure it like you said, likely make it worst while sober but while on it, it can potentially make your quality of life better as in now that you feel euphoric and experience pain differently you may be able to do things instead of just be homebound but sometimes it has heavy sedating effects too so it may make you more homebound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posture Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 Also for those wondering where a certain opiate sits on the ladder, this article lists them according to the strength. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate_comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows and Labyrinths Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 sure, i've been there. but i don't have too much sympathy for addicts. i've always been able to kick it. if you want to change something about your life, just make the decision, then follow through. it's just an opportunity to practice discipline. then again, i may not be the addicted type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posture Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 sure, i've been there. but i don't have too much sympathy for addicts. i've always been able to kick it. if you want to change something about your life, just make the decision, then follow through. it's just an opportunity to practice discipline. then again, i may not be the addicted type. VERY true, I also share this same opinion my problem is I don't want to kick it yet. But it really is all about discipline and wanting to really quit FOR REAL. If you half want it, won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yikes Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 it sucks that some folks just can't be happy smoking weed and drinking booze when things get rough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 you can obtain ibogaine pretty easily on the internet, at least the root bark. Its technically illegal in the US but the chances of customs stopping a package of ibogaine root bark are very very slim, it's not a priority for them. ibogaine hcl you can find online too but its very expensive. I have a friend who just kicked cigarettes (yes this works too) with ibogaine and he said he's never felt better. He's tried just about every form of anti smoking aid under the sun and he said this is the only time it stuck. there is also the false perception out there that to 'kick' from an ibogaine experience you need to have an intense out of body experience style psychedelic trip. This is not true, something inside the chemical even at low doses helps recover from addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattern recognition Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Tramadol is a weird opiate that has SSRI properties. It can be habit forming and potentially addictive but it's near impossible to abuse or get high off of. But taking them does cause a light sense of well being or euphoria. i went to treatment for the 2nd time because of ultram/ultracet. i started because of pain, and was getting just of a sniff of a good opiate high off it and thought i could get there by taking more. just before i gave up and checked myself in i was taking massive quantities and would experience terrible withdrawals when i tried to go cold turkey. basically opiate withdrawal but with a more "synthetic" feel, if that makes any sesne (i don't know how else to describe it). bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 you can obtain ibogaine pretty easily on the internet, at least the root bark. Its technically illegal in the US but the chances of customs stopping a package of ibogaine root bark are very very slim, it's not a priority for them. ibogaine hcl you can find online too but its very expensive. I have a friend who just kicked cigarettes (yes this works too) with ibogaine and he said he's never felt better. He's tried just about every form of anti smoking aid under the sun and he said this is the only time it stuck. there is also the false perception out there that to 'kick' from an ibogaine experience you need to have an intense out of body experience style psychedelic trip. This is not true, something inside the chemical even at low doses helps recover from addiction. you forgot to mention that ibogaine has a pretty high mortality rate because it's so stressful on the heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 you forgot to mention that ibogaine has a pretty high mortality rate because it's so stressful on the heart. So wikipedia is factually incorrect when it says that There are 12 documented fatalities that have been loosely associated with ibogaine ingestion.[10] Exact determinations of the cause of death have proven elusive due to the quasi-legal status of ibogaine and the unfamiliarity of medical professionals with this relatively rare substance. No autopsy to date has implicated ibogaine as the sole cause of death. Causes given range from significant pre-existing medical problems to the co-consumption of drugs such as opiates which are potentiated by ibogaine. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modey Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 One of my ex-girlfriends has been addicted to codeine for as long as I've known her (at least over 5 years). She doesn't seem to care though, or want to do anything about it. I guess it's more that she doesn't think it gets in the way of her life. .. and a friend of mine makes what he calls 'poppy wash'—soaking poppy seeds and making some kind of opiate drink. As tempted as I am to try it, I fucking love codeine (not enough to be addicted though) so I don't really want to try it, in fear of liking it so much I can't stop making it, ahah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEK Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 my friend started with the tea, then pills then heroin . he got treated and is fine now. my other friend died from heroin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 you can obtain ibogaine pretty easily on the internet, at least the root bark. Its technically illegal in the US but the chances of customs stopping a package of ibogaine root bark are very very slim, it's not a priority for them. ibogaine hcl you can find online too but its very expensive. I have a friend who just kicked cigarettes (yes this works too) with ibogaine and he said he's never felt better. He's tried just about every form of anti smoking aid under the sun and he said this is the only time it stuck. there is also the false perception out there that to 'kick' from an ibogaine experience you need to have an intense out of body experience style psychedelic trip. This is not true, something inside the chemical even at low doses helps recover from addiction. you forgot to mention that ibogaine has a pretty high mortality rate because it's so stressful on the heart. this has been recently studied and has been found to be incorrect. The reason why there have been so many reported deaths on ibogaine is because doing any powerful psychedelic drug while in the midst of heroin withdrawls after a 5 year stage 3 heroin addiction can be very rough on the body. If you don't shoot up every day, and arent already on the verge of death like a lot of junkies are, Ibogaine is very safe you forgot to mention that ibogaine has a pretty high mortality rate because it's so stressful on the heart. So wikipedia is factually incorrect when it says that There are 12 documented fatalities that have been loosely associated with ibogaine ingestion.[10] Exact determinations of the cause of death have proven elusive due to the quasi-legal status of ibogaine and the unfamiliarity of medical professionals with this relatively rare substance. No autopsy to date has implicated ibogaine as the sole cause of death. Causes given range from significant pre-existing medical problems to the co-consumption of drugs such as opiates which are potentiated by ibogaine. ? wikipedia is totally correct, sometimes i'm impressed by how current information on their is. good job wikipedia editors, for once you prove not to be shut-in annoying camping out cunts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahrk Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 *see response to my post in email* *question has long since been answered* lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Sensi Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Back where I grew up, just about every single one of my friends are in prison because of opiates or are heavily addicted to them and on their way back into prison. I don't even have friends anymore because I refuse to meet new people. I've seen this shit destroy almost an entire generation of kids where I'm from. It's fucking sad, man. Oh and the deaths, there's that too. That's Florida youth in a nutshell. It is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally fucking bad down there. I also have an addict in the family, and it's fucking killing me inside... the fucking changes, mood swings, lies, shadiness, etc. That PSA is fuckin' spot on, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posture Posted July 10, 2012 Author Share Posted July 10, 2012 It's really bad in New Jersey too lots of addicts, it's an epidemic here. I know it's also a huge problem for the whole US but it's really bad here, like Florida minus the pill mills. Lots of doctors and pharmacies cracking down since FDA, DEA and state and local government is strong arming everybody with threats of losing their license and the like. It is really sad to see people go down this road, it becomes your whole life if you live that is. Don't mix opiates and benzos people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lucic Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Also while on opiates, forget about sex and or a sex drive. If you wanna kill a porn addiction, get addicted to opiates. yea its funny, Im hooked on oxycodones atm and i have absolutely no interest in porn anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theSun Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 hey lucic, you're a jerk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest od++ Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 sure, i've been there. but i don't have too much sympathy for addicts. i've always been able to kick it. if you want to change something about your life, just make the decision, then follow through. it's just an opportunity to practice discipline. then again, i may not be the addicted type. true but you are right its harder for some than others And strangely various substances can have varying levels of difficulty to get off for different people I did a lot of rave drugs when I was a little younger and got addicted to speed and all that shit it was fucking horrible and I was pretty bad with it I smoked a lot of weed to get off it and managed okay but now I can't stop smoking weed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 PSA for my fellow watmm brothers, tis true. You can tell he got really fucked up by drugs... just look at the way he structured his infographic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 i've been sober for about 2 1/2 years from opium, and then ultram/ultracet addiction. i was making tea from poppies, and then was prescribed ultram as a "non-addictive" pain med after back surgery and pneumonia. i went to inpatient treatment twice, and thankfully i've managed to keep myself clean since then. i'm not a fan of AA, though i do go fairly frequently, while my wife is at al-anon. i'm very thankful for the detox and treatment center--i tried kicking on my own, and i'm convinced it cannot be done (at least not by me). i shudder when i think back about my life during that time, and wouldn't wish it on anyone. if you're hooked i hope you can find help any way you can. where did you get the poppies? i never heard of poppy tea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 flower shops that specialize in dried flowers carry them, you've most likely seen them before as they are legal to distribute in most places. you can occasionally find fresh ones that have been recently chopped, these can still be 'sliced' for fresh opium milk although not very much compared to it being still on the stem. Enough though where you can just lick it off and get high i used to make poppy tea, but now if i want a poppy high i will just juice the tea in a juicer making an incredibly strong opaque batch, filter it a few times so there are no solids, dehydrate it and scrape the wax into a gel cap. Some people smoke this but its not pure opium and chars/hardens easier than smokes i prefer kratom for an herbal opiate high, since it's less addictive and less hard on the body at least from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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