autopilot Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 This article is from July so sorry if it is a repost. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719?link=mostpopular5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) you know what the problem with climate change (OK global warming if you must) is? they peaked too early. been talking about it for too long and now nobody cares or can be bothered to listen. they should have waited till people started noticing the odd weather then revealed the whole climate change horror story - mass hysteria would ensue and the world's politicians would have to do something about it to remain in power. Edited October 23, 2012 by BCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I wouldn't take Rolling Stone articles with much relevance... on top of that...this global 'warming' is just a transitional phase. There's actually a huge freezing coming. And it's not even so much of a human's fault as is a natural cycle of the planet Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autopilot Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Could you link me to some research that backs this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 ???? o dear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Could you link me to some research that backs this up? http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Oscillations/ http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthchanges/gallery/Climate/oscillations.htm http://stratus.astr.ucl.ac.be/textbook/chapter5_node3.html http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=2319 http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/seminars/000320FO.html Last link is pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skotosa Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Well I'm taking a climate change class atm and what we have learned so far is that the climate does/is changing and that out of the few things that can change the global climate (plate tectonics, Earth's orbit, sun intensity) GHG's (Green House Gases) are causing the most change. And humans are impacting the enviorment releasing extra GHG's. China is becoming more conscious, Europe has already taken some actions and the USA just doesn't give a fuk. Edited October 23, 2012 by ZiggomaticV17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaarg Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I heard there is always a slight warm-up before an Ice age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frankie5fingers Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) global warming isnt myth. its happened 4 times in the earths lifetime. and guess what, like what gaarg says, global warming leads to Ice ages. theres been 4 in the earths lifetime. its just that humans have made this event occur faster than what it should have been naturally. whether we were on this planet or not is irrelevant to this naturally occurring event. Edited October 23, 2012 by Frankie5fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) However, water shortages, drought, floods, heat waves, extreme weather, crop failure...these are all very relevant concerns, and increasing in frequency. Edited October 23, 2012 by Salvatorin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 However, water shortages, drought, floods, heat waves, extreme weather, crop failure...these are all very relevant concerns, and increasing in frequency. Well as far as water is concerned we, as humans, did a good job disrupting the established water cycles by drying up marshes, making huge dams, regulating rivers, etc... But that is mainly causing localized problems. And the weather we have today is way from extreme. It just shows how humans are inadequate in adapting to such minor changes. Imagine the panic we will have when there won't be enough places on Earth to sustain farms or support large migrations running away from the advancing ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dunharvestskreech Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 i hope i get rescued by a sloth come this ice age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 However, water shortages, drought, floods, heat waves, extreme weather, crop failure...these are all very relevant concerns, and increasing in frequency. most of these don't affect people in developed nations so very little will be done about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Imagine the panic we will have when there won't be enough places on Earth to sustain farms or support large migrations running away from the advancing ice. What are you smoking? Are you implying the world would cold get fast enough that ice would form faster than people can move? Edited October 23, 2012 by Salvatorin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'm a little confused, since when is the idea of human-originated climate change false? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Imagine the panic we will have when there won't be enough places on Earth to sustain farms or support large migrations running away from the advancing ice. What are you smoking? Are you implying the world would cold get fast enough that ice would form faster than people can move? lol take me to your dealer you can see today that not many people live in the north (and south for the same matter). Now when Earth comes to another ice age, the ice cap will be spreading from the poles towards equator. There is evidence that in the last epoch (called Younger Dryas in Pleistocene), ice sheet was covering a large part of Europe all the way to northern Spain. This of course happens in several years, but as is impossible to farm corn and wheat in Antarctica today, so it will be in France or Germany or Italy in the future. And how the hell are you going to support the increasing population with food, when there will be less than a half of world's land left for you to work it? Edited October 23, 2012 by Godwin Austen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fiznuthian Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Could you link me to some research that backs this up? http://www.geocraft....s/ice_ages.html http://earthobservat...s/Oscillations/ http://www.michaelma...scillations.htm http://stratus.astr....ter5_node3.html http://www.ncpa.org/...Article_ID=2319 http://www.usgcrp.go...s/000320FO.html Last link is pretty good epic science post thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'm a little confused, since when is the idea of human-originated climate change false? It's been false ever since. Don't be misslead by Al Gore's techno thriller. It's all neo-liberal crap. We did accelerate certain parameters, but the change would be here - humans or no humans. Did you know that the largest GHG 'pollution' comes not from cars and factories, but cattle's poo? Yeah, it blew my mind too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frankie5fingers Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Did you know that the largest GHG 'pollution' comes not from cars and factories, but cattle's poo? Yeah, it blew my mind too. if you did a little research you'd know that to be false. “Cars, buses, and trucks release pollutants and greenhouse gases that promote warming, while emitting few aerosols that counteract it. In contrast, the industrial and power sectors release many of the same gases—with a larger contribution to radiative forcing—but they also emit sulfates and other aerosols that cause cooling by reflecting light and altering clouds… In their analysis, motor vehicles emerged as the greatest net contributor to atmospheric warming now and in the near term, with a total radiative forcing of 199 mWm-2 in 2020. The researchers found that the burning of household biofuels—primarily wood and animal dung for home heating and cooking—contribute the second most warming. And raising livestock, particularly methane-producing cattle, contribute the third most. The industrial sector releases such a high proportion of sulfates and other cooling aerosols that it actually contributes a significant amount of cooling to the system. And biomass burning—which occurs mainly as a result of tropical forest fires, deforestation, savannah and shrub fires—emits large amounts of organic carbon particles that block solar radiation.” thats a statement by NASA 2 years ago when they conducted research to find the leading contributor to GHG. Edited October 23, 2012 by Frankie5fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Godwin I'm not really understanding you, are you saying that the warming feedback cycles such as glacial melting, permafrost, deforestation, ocean acidification, etc. are signs of a coming ice age, or that it will get hot and then cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skotosa Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Actually ice ages are caused from cold summers which occur when the Earth's axis shifts (aka Earth's Wobble) every 26,000 years known as the Milankovitch Cycles. Even then doesn't happen all the time. ICe ages have a cycle of about 100,000 years. Edited October 23, 2012 by ZiggomaticV17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Did you know that the largest GHG 'pollution' comes not from cars and factories, but cattle's poo? Yeah, it blew my mind too. if you did a little research you'd know that to be false. “Cars, buses, and trucks release pollutants and greenhouse gases that promote warming, while emitting few aerosols that counteract it. In contrast, the industrial and power sectors release many of the same gases—with a larger contribution to radiative forcing—but they also emit sulfates and other aerosols that cause cooling by reflecting light and altering clouds… In their analysis, motor vehicles emerged as the greatest net contributor to atmospheric warming now and in the near term, with a total radiative forcing of 199 mWm-2 in 2020. The researchers found that the burning of household biofuels—primarily wood and animal dung for home heating and cooking—contribute the second most warming. And raising livestock, particularly methane-producing cattle, contribute the third most. The industrial sector releases such a high proportion of sulfates and other cooling aerosols that it actually contributes a significant amount of cooling to the system. And biomass burning—which occurs mainly as a result of tropical forest fires, deforestation, savannah and shrub fires—emits large amounts of organic carbon particles that block solar radiation.” thats a statement by NASA 2 years ago when they conducted research to find the leading contributor to GHG. This fact is still being disputed. As stated in your quote from NASA, not every industry emits similar chemicals, nor in the same dosage, and far from the same configuration. Some of these agents work against each other and in the end supress the emission or make it behave/bond differently when it comes into air. And believe me, NASA didn't check every single chimney in the world. Their research is based on average conclusions and the most accurate predictions. Even NASA doesn't have all information when it comes to chemical agents that are being poured out of chimneys. Most of these are industry secrets, and even governments around the world who have tried hard to establish surveillance over these emissions have not yet succeeded. GHG from methane is the most reliable measurement they have taken so far. Because it's an easier job - most of the cows more or less eat the same food and have similar digestive processes. Whereas, in industry, much of this information is hidden. So there is a lot of speculation and approximations (not to mention deliberate missinformation out of interest). I'm not saying cattle is the main badass here, noone really knows what else long-term effects the industry chemicals have on the environment, climate and ecosystem, simply because factories don't exist for that long in the human history. But there is more and more evidence that long-term effects of industry chemicals are pilled up in our gene code. And that the consequences are not entirely visible to the 'naked eye'. But male children are getting born with disrupted organ development as early as in prenatal stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frankie5fingers Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Actually ice ages are caused from cold summers which occur when the Earth's axis shifts (aka Earth's Wobble) every 26,000 years known as the Milankovitch Cycles. Even then doesn't happen all the time. ICe ages have a cycle of about 100,000 years. i don't want to debate it cause it is a very viable theory. but thats all it is, a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skotosa Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Well anything bought and sold is extremely well documented because we know how much is being bought and sold. That includes all kids of fossil fuels(Natural Gas, Oil, gas, etc...), we have receipts so to speak. And we know pretty well what you get when you burn those. @ Frankie5fingers The evidence is so overwhelming it is now widely accepted at this point. Edited October 24, 2012 by ZiggomaticV17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Could you link me to some research that backs this up? http://www.geocraft....s/ice_ages.html http://earthobservat...s/Oscillations/ http://www.michaelma...scillations.htm http://stratus.astr....ter5_node3.html http://www.ncpa.org/...Article_ID=2319 http://www.usgcrp.go...s/000320FO.html Last link is pretty good epic science post thanks! Hope it helped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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