Ivan Ooze Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 kayne might not rap for shit but i'm just glad Jay-z isn't on the album, i can't stand that fuck, he has absolutly no humour, just talks fake boring shit with "uhu, yeah" inbetween on some producers track and does nothing that can't be said of our lord yeezus who makes the track his own, just check those daft punk productions, i bet he threw all the good parts away and made his own shit with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 "like a mainstream Madlib or J Dilla" is a lol Explain yourself. Madlib and J Dilla spend* all their time making music, talking about music, listening to music, crate-digging, etc. There is no hype, no pretense, just the music. Musically, they do everything themselves. They're true craftsman (IMO) whereas Kayne is more of an entrepreneur. *obviously JD's gone but I'm too lazy to keep all the tenses correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGW Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Kanye West came to prominence as a beat-maker/producer. Jay-Z and his label used tracks on albums like The Dynasty and Beanie Sigel's The Truth. Early Kanye West production ("This Can't Be Life" - Jay-Z, "The Truth" - Beanie Sigel, "Ain't No Love (Heart of the City)" - Jay-Z) is absolutely brilliant. I think those criticising his production and saying he isn't a producer must not have heard those tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGW Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 *or other tracks from that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Kanye West came to prominence as a beat-maker/producer. Jay-Z and his label used tracks on albums like The Dynasty and Beanie Sigel's The Truth. Early Kanye West production ("This Can't Be Life" - Jay-Z, "The Truth" - Beanie Sigel, "Ain't No Love (Heart of the City)" - Jay-Z) is absolutely brilliant. I think those criticising his production and saying he isn't a producer must not have heard those tracks. His production back then was quality, but his fans (not talking about you specifically) overstate its originality. Soul samples and pitch shifted vocals were old hat by the time Kanye came around. There's nothing he did in his early period that Pete Rock, RZA, and DJ Premier hadn't already done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 He seems so troubled. All I know is that George Bush doesn't care about black people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 fuck kanye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 fuck kanye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 fuck kanye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I can relate to this. "God's little practical joke on me – as an intellect who doesn't like to read a lot – is like, I'll say some super philosophical shit, but I'll say it the wrong way." I had a very verbose explanation of why, but I'll just "fuckin' a! I hear that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 that's not really god's practical joke is it? more his own laziness at not developing a vocabulary fit for his "intellect". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 that's not really god's practical joke is it? more his own laziness at not developing a vocabulary fit for his "intellect". yeah you're right fuck that sums up Kanye rather nicely...I suppose if you drop the God bullshit (I could be wrong but atheism seems to be a stigmatizing thing for most African-Americans) and if someone like Louis CK said the same thing, I would actually find it 100% relatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 MORE LIKE ZANE LOL INNIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Kanye West came to prominence as a beat-maker/producer. Jay-Z and his label used tracks on albums like The Dynasty and Beanie Sigel's The Truth. Early Kanye West production ("This Can't Be Life" - Jay-Z, "The Truth" - Beanie Sigel, "Ain't No Love (Heart of the City)" - Jay-Z) is absolutely brilliant. I think those criticising his production and saying he isn't a producer must not have heard those tracks. His production back then was quality, but his fans (not talking about you specifically) overstate its originality. Soul samples and pitch shifted vocals were old hat by the time Kanye came around. There's nothing he did in his early period that Pete Rock, RZA, and DJ Premier hadn't already done better. Yeah I mean Kayne was definitely quite capable on an MPC or ASR-10 or SP-1200 or whatever he was on. But I personally know a dozen or so beatmakers who are as good or better as he was when he was making his own stuff, not to mention the dozens of random dudes on YouTube who put him to absolute shame. In short: yes he has some measure of talent as a beatmaker but nothing special and certainly nothing warranting his level of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 To be fair though, is there such a thing as unfair success? It's not too silly to think that people get the success they earn, right? Even if he is only an average 'beatmaker'? You weren't necessarily saying this, but it got me wondering nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 It's not too silly to think that people get the success they earn, right? IMO it is indeed silly to think that people get what they deserve in this life*. I know lazy rich people and hard-working poor people; 4 million people starve to death each year while under capitalism other people are allowed to hoard billions of dollars**. *this is called the just-world fallacy **yes I'm a socialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Haha Ok, let me put it differently: artists get the success they earn. I really wasn't going for some all encompassing deep philosophical statement here. Just that when it comes to mr west, there's prolly a reason why he has the success he has. So it is warranted one way or another. Pretty trivial statement, or so i assumed. And note that warranting means, imo, something different to justify. Perhaps his success is warranted by his narcissism inspiring all those countless others narcissists on the planet? It would be justified, imo, if he was a good musician. ( just making up semantics on the fly. Here, btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Haha Ok, let me put it differently: artists get the success they earn. I really wasn't going for some all encompassing deep philosophical statement here. Just that when it comes to mr west, there's prolly a reason why he has the success he has. So it is warranted one way or another. Pretty trivial statement, or so i assumed. And note that warranting means, imo, something different to justify. Perhaps his success is warranted by his narcissism inspiring all those countless others narcissists on the planet? It would be justified, imo, if he was a good musician. ( just making up semantics on the fly. Here, btw) Well it is logically necessary that if someone has success then they gained it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Haha Ok, let me put it differently: artists get the success they earn. I really wasn't going for some all encompassing deep philosophical statement here. Just that when it comes to mr west, there's prolly a reason why he has the success he has. So it is warranted one way or another. Pretty trivial statement, or so i assumed. And note that warranting means, imo, something different to justify. Perhaps his success is warranted by his narcissism inspiring all those countless others narcissists on the planet? It would be justified, imo, if he was a good musician. ( just making up semantics on the fly. Here, btw) Well it is logically necessary that if someone has success then they gained it somehow (and thus earned it according to whatever arbitrary criteria they were measured by to gain it). So yes I am forced to agree with this tautology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Talking about deep philosophical statements: everything is a tautology ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 everything is a tautology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Damn son, looks like you broke the matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 *slips inside Mr. Smith and makes him explode* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameChaos Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Talking about deep philosophical statements: everything is a tautology ;D Au contraire, everything is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 His production on Common's album Be is really good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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