Fat Shaming?

[ambermonk]

Sure puts the "shutter" in shutterstock

And fuck you, new page

[maitake]

 

yeah it depends. strict adherence to ketogenic diets almost always results in significant weight loss. i'll agree though, adherence is the hard part. even myself I don't find it easy to maintain ketogenic diet models. some people find it quite easy.

 

eating healthy can be expensive yeah. i'd argue that while processed junk seems cheap at first ($.99 bag of chips, $6 dollar pizza, etc), the inability for people to satiate themselves eating it leads to rather expensive daily habits. you think people just eat one $5 dollar mcdonalds meal during their day? add up the bowl of ice cream, the multiple sodas, the half bag of chips, and all the other garbage an unhealthy person eats in a day. it gets expensive fast, and arguably is often more expensive than cheap healthy staple food.

 

when i'm being frugal i go through phases of just eating eggs, rice, potatoes, frozen veggies, canned veggies. i get 10x the nutrition for very little comparatively.

I agree for the most part, not sure what food costs for you in your area. Sadly I can't eat eggs anymore as I developed an intolerance. But things like fish/chicken/beef, needed to get most of the protein if you want to maintain some lean muscle mass, is REALLY expensive here. I supplement with protein powder quite a bit. Oh and nuts, I eat lots of nuts (waits for triachus testicles photoshop).

 

Veggies though are amazingly cheap, I wish more people bought and extensively used fresh veggies as they're cheap, can be made delicious with very little effort, and are just so damn good for you!

 

 

yeah fair point.. i'll concede. some healthy options are a bit pricey and it's hard to frugal mode 4 life. :(

still, i bet the average joe junk food dieter still spends a shocking amount of money daily on his/her food. that shit stimulates appetite. once you pop, you just can't stop ay hooooo

[chenGOD]

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

I need some carbs for sports but trying to keep them to a minimum (eat rice too much though) - ballooned up to 176 pounds (I'm 5'11"), but just started back at the gym.

 

Anyways. Let's get back to making fat jokes.

[baph]

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

 

 

"Not expensive" from a comfortably average/middle class (or up) perspective. It's becoming increasingly hard for lower-income people to feed their families on healthy food, and the correlation between obesity and poverty probably doesn't need to be stated here.

 

According to the USDA Family Food Plan, the cost of feeding a family of four has gone up 18% in four years.

 

But yeah, it's always fun to watch skinny white folk bitch about the fatties. THAT HISPANIC CONSTRUCTION LABORER REALLY SHOULD HIT THE GYM IN HIS HIGH RISE APARTMENT COMPLEX

[Hugh Mughnus]

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

I need some carbs for sports but trying to keep them to a minimum (eat rice too much though) - ballooned up to 176 pounds (I'm 5'11"), but just started back at the gym.

 

Anyways. Let's get back to making fat jokes.

You must be doing well for yourself.

 

I believe I do well for myself and fuck do I ever find it expensive. $15 for a few chicken breasts? $12 for a block of cheese? It's not exactly cheap...

[cwmbrancity]

Food prices are linked to food security.

 

Talked to a bloke on a flight home from DC once who'd been to a 'food security' conference there.....his specialist "conclusions" were a mixed bag:

 

1) The rising middle class in India will put huge pressures on European agricultural commodities = conflict

2) China is planning to invade Australia (dint say when exactly) in order to turn it into a huge field of food (and for Pacific dominance vs US) = wtf, come again mate?

 

My shopping bills have gone up quite a bit in the last few years. A decent loaf of bread is well over a quid now (W'burtons Five Seeded Batch pls). However, when i lived in the States Whole Foods and Trader Joes were a massive fuckin rip-off. You could get great produce @ Shoppers, but even the UK's Waitrose doesnt charge at the rates Whole Foods does.

[chenGOD]

 

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

 

 

"Not expensive" from a comfortably average/middle class (or up) perspective. It's becoming increasingly hard for lower-income people to feed their families on healthy food, and the correlation between obesity and poverty probably doesn't need to be stated here.

 

According to the USDA Family Food Plan, the cost of feeding a family of four has gone up 18% in four years.

 

But yeah, it's always fun to watch skinny white folk bitch about the fatties. THAT HISPANIC CONSTRUCTION LABORER REALLY SHOULD HIT THE GYM IN HIS HIGH RISE APARTMENT COMPLEX

 

Man when I was doing construction work I was in the best shape of my life. That's a goddamned work out.

 

I'm well aware of the issues with poverty and finding healthy food in the inner city (food deserts are a fucking nightmare).

And yes wages need to rise to match inflation - LAs proposed (or has it been legislatively enacted?) $15/hr minimum wage is a good step. I would argue that the last four years have been particularly unusual in the US in terms of food price inflation - the uncertain economic conditions, the droughts and external global demand have all exacerbated domestic prices. The problem of course is that basic food staples tend to be relatively inelastic in demand.

The bigger problem (IMO) is education on eating habits. Seriously - whenever I visit the states the portion sizes never cease to amaze me. Y'all don't need to eat anywhere near as much as you do.

Also demographics and all, but most of the hispanics I know up here in the frozen socialist igloos of Canadastan are fairly healthy looking. It's the big white whales I'm laughing at. But thanks for categorizing me.

 

 

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

I need some carbs for sports but trying to keep them to a minimum (eat rice too much though) - ballooned up to 176 pounds (I'm 5'11"), but just started back at the gym.

 

Anyways. Let's get back to making fat jokes.

You must be doing well for yourself.

 

I believe I do well for myself and fuck do I ever find it expensive. $15 for a few chicken breasts? $12 for a block of cheese? It's not exactly cheap...

 

I doubt I make as much as you do, and yes Canada is certainly more expensive than the US, thanks to our wonderful agricultural supply management and ridiculous protectionist policies on agriculture. That said - when you cut out the junk food, stick to quality and decent portion sizes, it really doesn't have to be that expensive to eat healthily.

 

 

Food prices are linked to food security.

 

Talked to a bloke on a flight home from DC once who'd been to a 'food security' conference there.....his specialist "conclusions" were a mixed bag:

 

1) The rising middle class in India will put huge pressures on European agricultural commodities = conflict

2) China is planning to invade Australia (dint say when exactly) in order to turn it into a huge field of food (and for Pacific dominance vs US) = wtf, come again mate?

 

My shopping bills have gone up quite a bit in the last few years. A decent loaf of bread is well over a quid now (W'burtons Five Seeded Batch pls). However, when i lived in the States Whole Foods and Trader Joes were a massive fuckin rip-off. You could get great produce @ Shoppers, but even the UK's Waitrose doesnt charge at the rates Whole Foods does.

 

lol at the China invading Australia bit. Whole Foods is a rip-off for sure. We don't have Trader Joes in Canada, so can't comment, but from what I've heard, I assume it's every bit as much as a rip-off as Whole Foods.

 

Buy local as much as possible, use the smaller grocers, don't pay attention to the "organic" fad, and buy at smaller grocers.

[Hugh Mughnus]

ugh.... chen...

 

Smaller portions?!?!?!

 

[maitake]

i hope to see the hydroponic, aquaponic, peeponic, compost systems, and whatever else is efficient begin to take over the conventional agriculture industry. hydroculture is already rapidly growing and appealing to commercial growers. it offers many benefits, is much less expensive after established,

 

i predict this shift to hydroculture might diminish the incentive to grow cheap grain, the abundance of which is large part responsible for really large motherfuckers everywhere. the junk food industry heavily relies on bottom of the barrel monocrops.

 

we're feeding humans like we're feeding our cattle right now.. those corn soya monsters are reflections of humanity's first world future.

[Audioblysk]

i hope to see the hydroponic, aquaponic, peeponic, compost systems, and whatever else is efficient begin to take over the conventional agriculture industry. hydroculture is already rapidly growing and appealing to commercial growers. it offers many benefits, is much less expensive after established,

 

i predict this shift to hydroculture might diminish the incentive to grow cheap grain, the abundance of which is large part responsible for really large motherfuckers everywhere. the junk food industry heavily relies on bottom of the barrel monocrops.

 

we're feeding humans like we're feeding our cattle right now.. those corn soya monsters are reflections of humanity's first world future.

 

No-till farming and micro-algea aquaponics are the way of the future along with urban farming by utilization light deprivation/supplemented greenhouses and vertical growing systems. Hydroponics and farming using chemical salts and solutions need to go away. I have been consulting on a gigantic hugelkultur greenhouse that is setting up for retail cannabis growing in Washington, a team of us took their agricultural and 'fertilizer' maintenance cost projections down by over 60% due to utilization of the greatest gift of all - mother nature.

 

Hydroculture is appealing, but the problem with introduction into that whole realm is that going 100% organic in a hydroponic system is near impossible without huge expenditures or perfecting micro-algea aquaponics. This presents a problem because most hydro-enthusiasts seem to miss the fact that organic farming - the taste we love in vegetables/fruits and health of all plants rely on things most people don't really even think about or care about in the ground below us -- worms, shredding arthropods, fungi, aerobic bacteria, nematodes, amoebas, and protozoa. These working in exchange with each other and the returning of the dead decaying matter to the field where they are grown are what should be relied on to produce healthy mediums to grow produce that you ingest. Only in the last 50 years has there ever been the thought that adding nitrate to a field will do anything other than slowly poison the land below it. We wonder why plants need so much pesticides/fungicides, but fail to see that our modern agriculture is akin to keeping a mammal alive and healthy on vitamins alone.

 

Reliance on chemical salts, unsustainable and ludicrous farming techniques and lack of general awareness about agriculture, permaculture and biology are really the changes that need to happen with agriculture and human health. Also, as socialist as it sounds - if communities/neighborhoods participated in running a common garden for their consumption, it would likely lead to at least a little better harmony in our health as physical beings and encourage interpersonal relationships with people even a few doors down.

 

To put it more simply we aren't too far off from this and all it entails:

[ambermonk]

Welcome to Costco, I love you

[roasty]

You laugh at China invading Australia, but they're buying up farmland like crazy. Economic invasion perhaps

[baph]

Man when I was doing construction work I was in the best shape of my life. That's a goddamned work out.

 

 

I worked in construction too (steel work and welding mostly). It was definitely a work out but there were plenty of chubby guys doing the same. Honestly, the guys with the "ideal" lean muscle body types were generally not the ones lowest on the totem poll.

 

You ever eat from one of those food trucks when the boss is feeling generous? It's a complex carb and corn syrup nightmare. And I knew a few people who couldn't afford anything else, or at least nothing better.

 

I'm one of those guys who can put on muscle but can't drop fat easily, so my body went into the beefy direction doing construction work. I was strong and healthy with low cholesterol etc but certainly not lean.

 

And man, it's humid in MA in the summer. I imagine most people with "better" metabolisms than mine would have looked like sinew and steel under the same conditions.

 

But that's the thing, everyone's different.

 

 

I'm well aware of the issues with poverty and finding healthy food in the inner city (food deserts are a fucking nightmare).

And yes wages need to rise to match inflation - LAs proposed (or has it been legislatively enacted?) $15/hr minimum wage is a good step. I would argue that the last four years have been particularly unusual in the US in terms of food price inflation - the uncertain economic conditions, the droughts and external global demand have all exacerbated domestic prices. The problem of course is that basic food staples tend to be relatively inelastic in demand.

The bigger problem (IMO) is education on eating habits. Seriously - whenever I visit the states the portion sizes never cease to amaze me. Y'all don't need to eat anywhere near as much as you do.

Also demographics and all, but most of the hispanics I know up here in the frozen socialist igloos of Canadastan are fairly healthy looking. It's the big white whales I'm laughing at. But thanks for categorizing me.

 

 

Living in the aforementioned LA, with food deserts and Paltrowian, gentrified, expensive markets (including the local markets, which unfortunately cater more to rich folk than the local working class), the class divide between fat and thin, or even unhealthy and healthy, is fairly inescapable.

 

Thing is, you can get upset for my act of "categorizing" you, but I have a hard time supporting your right to laugh at even the fat white whales. Because all of the complications re: diet and health and wealth and poverty and food access, etc, which you acknowledge above, means that I have no idea why that person is fat, or what kind of shit they have to deal with just to stay alive.

 

I guess I have too much empathy to assume that random fatso is in some kind of messed up gainer/feeder relationship with a pervy fat admirer without further evidence (which actually I don't want to see, pls no).

 

I agree on portion control education, but I honestly didn't notice a difference in portion size when I went to Canada. But I've only been to Quebec. Maybe Quebec gets more disgusting with the salsa than the rest of Canada. Still, no shortage of humans packing into Tim Hortons.

 

Unrelated food supply issue: fuck, lately my local normal price range super market has been stocking the worst quality food. Can't even find an onion that isn't rotted through. But the alternative is Whole Foods and a huge price jump.

 

Don't know if it's the drought directly, some kind of corner cutting to keep prices from skyrocketing, or people just not giving a shit anymore.

[chenGOD]

Go into a Red Robin's in Canada and a Red Robin's in the US. Amazing difference in portion sizes.

I dunno - I hardly ever have room for dessert. And for me, eating myself into a food coma is not fun.

 

Yeah yeah, I'm not saying every fat person in the world is solely to blame for their obesity, but I do put a lot of responsibility on the individual. Anyways, fuck it, I guess I'm a privileged whitey (hey I'm finally earning above the poverty line at 40!), so categorize away.

 

Edit: to clarify - I don't go around telling people that they're fat and disgusting and they really should buy two tickets if they want to sit in coach on a flight. But some fat jokes are funny as fuck.

[maitake]

 

i hope to see the hydroponic, aquaponic, peeponic, compost systems, and whatever else is efficient begin to take over the conventional agriculture industry. hydroculture is already rapidly growing and appealing to commercial growers. it offers many benefits, is much less expensive after established,

 

i predict this shift to hydroculture might diminish the incentive to grow cheap grain, the abundance of which is large part responsible for really large motherfuckers everywhere. the junk food industry heavily relies on bottom of the barrel monocrops.

 

we're feeding humans like we're feeding our cattle right now.. those corn soya monsters are reflections of humanity's first world future.

 

No-till farming and micro-algea aquaponics are the way of the future along with urban farming by utilization light deprivation/supplemented greenhouses and vertical growing systems. Hydroponics and farming using chemical salts and solutions need to go away. I have been consulting on a gigantic hugelkultur greenhouse that is setting up for retail cannabis growing in Washington, a team of us took their agricultural and 'fertilizer' maintenance cost projections down by over 60% due to utilization of the greatest gift of all - mother nature.

 

Hydroculture is appealing, but the problem with introduction into that whole realm is that going 100% organic in a hydroponic system is near impossible without huge expenditures or perfecting micro-algea aquaponics. This presents a problem because most hydro-enthusiasts seem to miss the fact that organic farming - the taste we love in vegetables/fruits and health of all plants rely on things most people don't really even think about or care about in the ground below us -- worms, shredding arthropods, fungi, aerobic bacteria, nematodes, amoebas, and protozoa. These working in exchange with each other and the returning of the dead decaying matter to the field where they are grown are what should be relied on to produce healthy mediums to grow produce that you ingest. Only in the last 50 years has there ever been the thought that adding nitrate to a field will do anything other than slowly poison the land below it. We wonder why plants need so much pesticides/fungicides, but fail to see that our modern agriculture is akin to keeping a mammal alive and healthy on vitamins alone.

 

Reliance on chemical salts, unsustainable and ludicrous farming techniques and lack of general awareness about agriculture, permaculture and biology are really the changes that need to happen with agriculture and human health. Also, as socialist as it sounds - if communities/neighborhoods participated in running a common garden for their consumption, it would likely lead to at least a little better harmony in our health as physical beings and encourage interpersonal relationships with people even a few doors down.

 

To put it more simply we aren't too far off from this and all it entails:

 

 

thank you for this insight.

[Braintree]

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

I need some carbs for sports but trying to keep them to a minimum (eat rice too much though) - ballooned up to 176 pounds (I'm 5'11"), but just started back at the gym.

 

Anyways. Let's get back to making fat jokes.

 

I'm 5'10 and 170lbs and still look really thin. Personal build has a lot to do with it. I can eat pretty much anything and as long as I ride a bike, I'll maintain the same weight within 10lbs.

 

I hear your mom sits around a house oh shit i fuck that up

[Bechuga]

Losing weight = eat less. Worked wonders for me! A smaller portion of food becomes second nature after a while, and I'm still eating pizza (Chicago Town) + other unhealthy shit.

 

As for fat people, my older brother is so fat the local takeaway place has his number stored in their phone. And they sometimes call him around the time he usually places an order.

[cwmbrancity]

sounds like the fusion of a remarkable culinary dream & an enviable business model

[Adieu]

 

 

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

 

 

"Not expensive" from a comfortably average/middle class (or up) perspective. It's becoming increasingly hard for lower-income people to feed their families on healthy food, and the correlation between obesity and poverty probably doesn't need to be stated here.

 

According to the USDA Family Food Plan, the cost of feeding a family of four has gone up 18% in four years.

 

But yeah, it's always fun to watch skinny white folk bitch about the fatties. THAT HISPANIC CONSTRUCTION LABORER REALLY SHOULD HIT THE GYM IN HIS HIGH RISE APARTMENT COMPLEX

 

Man when I was doing construction work I was in the best shape of my life. That's a goddamned work out.

 

I'm well aware of the issues with poverty and finding healthy food in the inner city (food deserts are a fucking nightmare).

And yes wages need to rise to match inflation - LAs proposed (or has it been legislatively enacted?) $15/hr minimum wage is a good step. I would argue that the last four years have been particularly unusual in the US in terms of food price inflation - the uncertain economic conditions, the droughts and external global demand have all exacerbated domestic prices. The problem of course is that basic food staples tend to be relatively inelastic in demand.

The bigger problem (IMO) is education on eating habits. Seriously - whenever I visit the states the portion sizes never cease to amaze me. Y'all don't need to eat anywhere near as much as you do.

Also demographics and all, but most of the hispanics I know up here in the frozen socialist igloos of Canadastan are fairly healthy looking. It's the big white whales I'm laughing at. But thanks for categorizing me.

 

 

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

I need some carbs for sports but trying to keep them to a minimum (eat rice too much though) - ballooned up to 176 pounds (I'm 5'11"), but just started back at the gym.

 

Anyways. Let's get back to making fat jokes.

You must be doing well for yourself.

 

I believe I do well for myself and fuck do I ever find it expensive. $15 for a few chicken breasts? $12 for a block of cheese? It's not exactly cheap...

 

I doubt I make as much as you do, and yes Canada is certainly more expensive than the US, thanks to our wonderful agricultural supply management and ridiculous protectionist policies on agriculture. That said - when you cut out the junk food, stick to quality and decent portion sizes, it really doesn't have to be that expensive to eat healthily.

 

 

Food prices are linked to food security.

 

Talked to a bloke on a flight home from DC once who'd been to a 'food security' conference there.....his specialist "conclusions" were a mixed bag:

 

1) The rising middle class in India will put huge pressures on European agricultural commodities = conflict

2) China is planning to invade Australia (dint say when exactly) in order to turn it into a huge field of food (and for Pacific dominance vs US) = wtf, come again mate?

 

My shopping bills have gone up quite a bit in the last few years. A decent loaf of bread is well over a quid now (W'burtons Five Seeded Batch pls). However, when i lived in the States Whole Foods and Trader Joes were a massive fuckin rip-off. You could get great produce @ Shoppers, but even the UK's Waitrose doesnt charge at the rates Whole Foods does.

 

lol at the China invading Australia bit. Whole Foods is a rip-off for sure. We don't have Trader Joes in Canada, so can't comment, but from what I've heard, I assume it's every bit as much as a rip-off as Whole Foods.

 

Buy local as much as possible, use the smaller grocers, don't pay attention to the "organic" fad, and buy at smaller grocers.

 

 

organic is empirically healthier, but not required to be alive obviously.

[Adieu]

Losing weight = eat less. Worked wonders for me! A smaller portion of food becomes second nature after a while, and I'm still eating pizza (Chicago Town) + other unhealthy shit.

 

As for fat people, my older brother is so fat the local takeaway place has his number stored in their phone. And they sometimes call him around the time he usually places an order.

 

portion cutting leads to malnutrition if done without care

[chenGOD]

Yes obviously, but you can still eat healthily without eating the overpriced organic produce.

[Bechuga]

 

Losing weight = eat less. Worked wonders for me! A smaller portion of food becomes second nature after a while, and I'm still eating pizza (Chicago Town) + other unhealthy shit.

 

As for fat people, my older brother is so fat the local takeaway place has his number stored in their phone. And they sometimes call him around the time he usually places an order.

 

portion cutting leads to malnutrition if done without care

 

 

Oh shit so that's why I have rickets

 

And also my complexion in real life matches my avatar

[delet...]

 

 

 

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

 

 

"Not expensive" from a comfortably average/middle class (or up) perspective. It's becoming increasingly hard for lower-income people to feed their families on healthy food, and the correlation between obesity and poverty probably doesn't need to be stated here.

 

According to the USDA Family Food Plan, the cost of feeding a family of four has gone up 18% in four years.

 

But yeah, it's always fun to watch skinny white folk bitch about the fatties. THAT HISPANIC CONSTRUCTION LABORER REALLY SHOULD HIT THE GYM IN HIS HIGH RISE APARTMENT COMPLEX

 

Man when I was doing construction work I was in the best shape of my life. That's a goddamned work out.

 

I'm well aware of the issues with poverty and finding healthy food in the inner city (food deserts are a fucking nightmare).

And yes wages need to rise to match inflation - LAs proposed (or has it been legislatively enacted?) $15/hr minimum wage is a good step. I would argue that the last four years have been particularly unusual in the US in terms of food price inflation - the uncertain economic conditions, the droughts and external global demand have all exacerbated domestic prices. The problem of course is that basic food staples tend to be relatively inelastic in demand.

The bigger problem (IMO) is education on eating habits. Seriously - whenever I visit the states the portion sizes never cease to amaze me. Y'all don't need to eat anywhere near as much as you do.

Also demographics and all, but most of the hispanics I know up here in the frozen socialist igloos of Canadastan are fairly healthy looking. It's the big white whales I'm laughing at. But thanks for categorizing me.

 

 

Eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive, and I live in vancouver for fucks sake.

 

I need some carbs for sports but trying to keep them to a minimum (eat rice too much though) - ballooned up to 176 pounds (I'm 5'11"), but just started back at the gym.

 

Anyways. Let's get back to making fat jokes.

You must be doing well for yourself.

 

I believe I do well for myself and fuck do I ever find it expensive. $15 for a few chicken breasts? $12 for a block of cheese? It's not exactly cheap...

 

I doubt I make as much as you do, and yes Canada is certainly more expensive than the US, thanks to our wonderful agricultural supply management and ridiculous protectionist policies on agriculture. That said - when you cut out the junk food, stick to quality and decent portion sizes, it really doesn't have to be that expensive to eat healthily.

 

 

Food prices are linked to food security.

 

Talked to a bloke on a flight home from DC once who'd been to a 'food security' conference there.....his specialist "conclusions" were a mixed bag:

 

1) The rising middle class in India will put huge pressures on European agricultural commodities = conflict

2) China is planning to invade Australia (dint say when exactly) in order to turn it into a huge field of food (and for Pacific dominance vs US) = wtf, come again mate?

 

My shopping bills have gone up quite a bit in the last few years. A decent loaf of bread is well over a quid now (W'burtons Five Seeded Batch pls). However, when i lived in the States Whole Foods and Trader Joes were a massive fuckin rip-off. You could get great produce @ Shoppers, but even the UK's Waitrose doesnt charge at the rates Whole Foods does.

 

lol at the China invading Australia bit. Whole Foods is a rip-off for sure. We don't have Trader Joes in Canada, so can't comment, but from what I've heard, I assume it's every bit as much as a rip-off as Whole Foods.

 

Buy local as much as possible, use the smaller grocers, don't pay attention to the "organic" fad, and buy at smaller grocers.

 

 

organic is empirically healthier, but not required to be alive obviously.

 

 

china doesn't need to invade australia militarily, they are buying it piece by piece, and we are continually changing our laws to make it easier for them to do this. In fact there are many ways in which we are handing our sovereignty over to china, other nations and corporations through trade agreements and treaties. Here's an example. (edit: the link has been denied by the newspaper, gleh, it was something about an agreement with china that it can bring an entire team of it's own workers and not have to hire any locals (in their own country) for projects over 150 million)

 

Of course now the usual pointless bleeters are going to pile on and tell me that i'm not being rational about this because immigration and racism or something and that there's nothing at all untoward going on. -sie- fools. There is a fundamental transition away from nation states going on. And we are all in australia the worse for it. These 457 visas are causing massive growth in unemployment, whole trades are being displaced in some areas by workers brought in and rotated out on short term visas for that specific purpose. example

 

nwae, i'll leave you to your fantasies, i've vented enough to mental barrier land for one day.

[KovalainenFanBoy]

As for fat people, my older brother is so fat the local takeaway place has his number stored in their phone. And they sometimes call him around the time he usually places an order.

 

flol seriously?

[delet...]

 

As for fat people, my older brother is so fat the local takeaway place has his number stored in their phone. And they sometimes call him around the time he usually places an order.

 

flol seriously?

 

 

It sounds like a your momma type gag mate.