zlemflolia Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Quote Systematic complexity fragments, colonizes, debases daily life. Division of labor, its motor, diminishes humanness in its very depths, dis-abling and pacifying us. This de-skilling specialization, which gives us the illusion of competence, is a key, enabling predicate of domestication. -John Zerzan - Twilight of the Machines Not only is civilization turning us into something less than sheep - most of us, if set loose in the wild, would not survive - but it's forcing us to turn our very souls into material objects for consumption by others, for the benefit of the even fewer other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 i read this a year or so ago. it's a nice look directly into the void then some healthy laughs just when it gets too serious. https://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-against-Human-Race-Contrivance-ebook/dp/B079WMRRYV/ref=sr_1_1?crid=373P52AQKK63S&dchild=1&keywords=conspiracy+against+the+human+race&qid=1587447509&sprefix=conspiracy+a%2Caps%2C217&sr=8-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 YOU were a mistake. j/k I just wanted to post a zinger somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Candiru said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Let”s see how long you last on the African savannah then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I hope the alien's chill cruise in his cool car ended up better than those poor fellers. I reckon the alien would want better for us humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 does anyone like non sequiturs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markedone Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 55 minutes ago, Zeffolia said: but it's forcing us to turn our very souls into material objects for consumption by others, for the benefit of the even fewer other Approaching peak Zef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Wait, Zeff is Ninja! I didn't realize. But it makes so much sense. Love the dark side of the moon shorts, bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I dunno, the series has had like 25 years. I still haven't gotten around to playing Civ VI though. Tough to choose between IV and V. I think V might edge it, but that's just cause of the introduction of the hex grid. Fun times though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limo Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 BTW, Quote but it's forcing us to turn our very souls into material objects for consumption by others, for the benefit of the even fewer other Sounds like the very definition of posting on an IDM forum on the internet to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 *reads thread title* "hmm I wonder who made this thread" *checks who made this thread* *posting in a Zeffolia thread* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 It's impressive how we went from rocks and sticks & shit to modern electronics tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Calling it right now the next @Zeffolia topic is gonna b antinatalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, chenGOD said: I dunno, the series has had like 25 years. I still haven't gotten around to playing Civ VI though. Tough to choose between IV and V. I think V might edge it, but that's just cause of the introduction of the hex grid. Fun times though! The original Civ for DOS is unbeatable. *not in the impossible to win sense. **wait... is it possible to beat the original civ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Civilization is ok, as long as it doesn't shit into its own bowl. Which unfortunately seems to be the case ATM. If you want to survive in wilderness, learn it. There are many ways to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenGOD Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zephyr_Nova said: The original Civ for DOS is unbeatable. *not in the impossible to win sense. I loved the original Civ, but it really does suffer from the limitation in computing power that was available at the time. It was still amazing fun! Many a weekend spent saying "just one more turn..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I always cheat the shit out of civ and go straight into the stealth bombers. Great way to lose interest as well. Never spent more than an hour with civ. Can't be arsed to invest time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Spoiler danksplosion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, MIXL2 said: Calling it right now the next @Zeffolia topic is gonna b antinatalism antinatalism is eugenics and is nazi shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Zeffolia said: 23 minutes ago, MIXL2 said: Calling it right now the next @Zeffolia topic is gonna b antinatalism antinatalism is eugenics and is nazi shit wut? not at all, from my understanding the discussion is actually v nuanced iirc the argument goes people who haven't been born have not consented to being born n it goes from there is p hard to argue against (edit: hard in that it takes time to go trough, not "difficult" in some other sense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candiru Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Nuclear Neo-Pagan Apocalyptic Satanic Deathcult Onslaught Part 1: (March Of The Leper Monks Towards A Bloodsoaked Megalith) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlemflolia Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MIXL2 said: wut? not at all, from my understanding the discussion is actually v nuanced iirc the argument goes people who haven't been born have not consented to being born n it goes from there is p hard to argue against the value of consent requirements exist because of the potential to end up not consenting, which is not present in nonexistent individuals, who can withdraw their consent and end their existence at any time, eliminating the harm provided by the reproducer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Zeffolia said: 4 minutes ago, MIXL2 said: wut? not at all, from my understanding the discussion is actually v nuanced iirc the argument goes people who haven't been born have not consented to being born n it goes from there is p hard to argue against the value of consent requirements exist because of the potential to end up not consenting, which is not present in nonexistent individuals, who can withdraw their consent and end their existence at any time, eliminating the harm provided by the reproducer yes this is a road u can go down by, I haven't argued the positive for this often but I'm p sure an antinatalist would refute this in a couple of ways.. rationalwiki redirects to here, it has a couple of arguments for it. (just to clarify I'm not advocating for this just sayn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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