MisterE Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 1) please don't put words in my mouth 2) child labor = capitalism - regulation (I don't know why you think child labor isn't capitalism) 3) capitalism has played a big part in making this world a cold rigid dehumanizing place where pathos thrives ok but limpy, you are aware that china is known as a Communist country, right? so that means that they... operate under... communism? so.. ok i can, i can maybe agree that there are still elements shared with capitalism going on in their economy/society, but the actual system they are under, again, is called Communism. so, for you to still attribute all of the horrors that take place over there to capitalism, it's just like, ok at this point why even have words if we can just re-define them to mean whatever we want? you could have attributed the kids working in sweat shops to poverty, lack of resources to provide for huge population, or any number of things which can also appear in a capitalist country, but instead you want to extrapolate those similarities and declare that they are capitalist problems. China might be surprised to learn that they are capitalist! i know i am. so, can you tell me... if china is capitalistic, and owes all of their problems to teh evils of such a system, can you tell me what system WOULDN'T be capitalism? one where just lots of gold and food and wonderful gifts fall from the heavens for everyone? and nobody has to work or anything? short of THAT, what WOULDN'T be 'capitalism', according to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 1) please don't put words in my mouth 2) child labor = capitalism - regulation (I don't know why you think child labor isn't capitalism) 3) capitalism has played a big part in making this world a cold rigid dehumanizing place where pathos thrives ok but limpy, you are aware that china is known as a Communist country, right? so that means that they... operate under... communism? so.. ok i can, i can maybe agree that there are still elements shared with capitalism going on in their economy/society, but the actual system they are under, again, is called Communism. so, for you to still attribute all of the horrors that take place over there to capitalism, it's just like, ok at this point why even have words if we can just re-define them to mean whatever we want? you could have attributed the kids working in sweat shops to poverty, lack of resources to provide for huge population, or any number of things which can also appear in a capitalist country, but instead you want to extrapolate those similarities and declare that they are capitalist problems. China might be surprised to learn that they are capitalist! i know i am. so, can you tell me... if china is capitalistic, and owes all of their problems to teh evils of such a system, can you tell me what system WOULDN'T be capitalism? one where just lots of gold and food and wonderful gifts fall from the heavens for everyone? and nobody has to work or anything? short of THAT, what WOULDN'T be 'capitalism', according to you? 1) please stop putting words in my mouth (like "if China...owes all of their problems to teh evils of such a system") 2) Look up "communism" and see if you really think that's what China is. Just because a country is colloquially labeled as "communist" (e.g. USSR) doesn't mean it actually is. Most often the country is actually the opposite of "socialist" or "communist" and is actually totalitarian/authoritarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamos scorcho Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 The only possible solution to a society of mindfucked contradiction is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterE Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 blablabla ok yeah it might have 'totalitarian' elements, but it also has elements of communism. it's definitely not just the same old totalitarian style of government we've seen in the past, before it. it's a new (relatively) thing, based on Leninism which was based on Marsism, and it wouldn't exist if not for Marx, so you should stop acting like there is absolutely no relation. but anyway, you specifically said that china is the subject of or to capitalism, not totalitarianism or whatever. you also said kids working IS capitalism. you said this specifically: "I don't know why you think child labor isn't capitalism" as if the mere concept of labor itself is the definition of capitalism. so would kids who were subjects under a real prick of a king who forced everyone to slave away for him, would those kids be capitalists? before you say yes, or even before you say that they are victims of capitalism- NO they aren't. try typing capitalism into google and glancing at the first stuff that comes up. see that part about private ownership? the idea of kids working, in and of itself, has nothing at all to do with the concept of private ownership rights for citizens. you seem awful over-zealous to blame things on capitalism to me, with little to no idea of what it even is. but regardless of what word YOU, limpyloo, are satisfied with people calling China, they aren't capitalists. this recent shooting has nothing to do with capitalism, at least not directly. to bring indirect relationships into it would be tantamount to blaming it on your earth goddess gaia because it took place on her soil. yes the shooting happened in a capitalist country, and i'm sure you or someone can and will connect a lot of bullshit dots to show it as a cause/effect thing, but it's just bullshit. and i'm really not going to be interested in your reply, at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vamos scorcho Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 capitalism destroys art and destroys philosophy capitalism destroys individuality capitalism destroys respect for fellow human beings capitalism destroys music and the vitality of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Hitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glunk Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 guns should at least not be more accessible than mental healthcare. that's fucking vile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 as a recent arms bearing American citizen who doesn't believe gun control is the answer, i have come to the conclusion that 'guns are bad'. Let me explain. Yes you can kill another human being in countless different ways, but with a loaded weapon you can carry out the death of another human being extremely effortlessly in a matter of seconds. You might argue that there are just as easy ways to kill a human being like pushing one off a ledge or burning someone's house down as they sleep, etc. Those still take considerable more thought, opportunity and effort. Has anyone here experienced a momentary burst of rage or anger where they felt like they could kill someone? I have. Having a loaded gun nearby could all too easily escalate a momentary lapse of rage into an extremely regrettable event. You may think i'm borderline crazy for saying such a thing, but i personally think this is one of the most un-talked about aspects of why gun violence is so wide-spread. It sort of reminds me of the super emo episode of Louis CK where he goes on a date with the bookstore girl and she tells him why she isn't scared of falling off the ledge. I can only compare it to that because it's a really weird feeling to think that with a simple flick of the finger you can end the life of another human being instantly. and to me violent videogames like Call of Duty aren't the root of this problem, but i do think that they might help grease the gears, especially for someone below the age of 25 who's brain has literally not finished developing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Jesus christ.. This is so sick. Targeting kids, and you're own mother. Is just me, or are these mass killings/school shoothings happening more often these years? here in Germany, there have been an unusually high amount of suicidal Autobahn wrong-way drivers (Geisterfahrer = ghost driver?) this year, which is seen as evidence that such things can follow trends... it really makes sense that, the more dramatic such things (killings, suicides, whatev..) are depicted in media, the more easily they will inspire other sick minds, won't they ... terrible. the [insert public space] shooters and the suicidal ghost drivers probably have in common being highly deranged attention whores basically, with the twist that once they get their attention they're also "kthxbi". coward assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 it's true, why die a miserable sad lonely person when you can die knowing you'll be a tv star in mere hours after committing a heinous act before your suicide? This is the question that i'm sure a lot of school shooters or ghost-drivers ask themselves before doing such insane shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Beautiful emotional speech by the MP. He's starting to get good at showing his emotions in public. The backstage thank-you after winning the election was another one of those tear-jerkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 man, it is pretty incredible how good of a speaker he is. it even makes me want to like him when i watch this speech and the back-stage one you mentioned, but as soon as i think about all the things he actually does instead of says that feeling quickly evaporates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Whatever you think of his policies, his emotions were honest and real (in these instances). The content of the speech was secondary, imo. It was there to carry his emotions, so to speak. Same with that backstage speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 since i don't think Obama is a method actor, i'm not doubting his emotions. But since his drone war has already killed over 130 children, i wonder if he cries over them too and all the futures he robbed from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 You wonder, or rather you doubt, I'm guessing. Maybe he cries over them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triachus Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_secondary_schools http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_post-secondary_schools so many... also, what the hell, china? i wish this list was longer tho : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RadarJammer Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 It is the responsibility of all intellectually capable adults to go beyond the idiotic "GUN DEBATE" and focus on the very serious philosophical questions at the root of our current age nihilism, religion, psychology, political science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Whatever you think of his policies, his emotions were honest and real (in these instances). The content of the speech was secondary, imo. It was there to carry his emotions, so to speak. Same with that backstage speech. I was just thinking to myself, and really I don't doubt the authenticity of his emotions at all, but I can't imagine crying over a bunch of people who're complete strangers to me and the first thing I learn about them is the fact that they died. I guess that's just not the type of thing I cry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhonny Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Why do US citizens need guns like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcock Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 this has left me quite affected, im off my box coming back from a night out to sit and listen to some tunes and its actually ripped me up inside a wee bit. my comment on guns is completely worthless, but they have one single purpose, which is killing people. they should stop making them, stop selling them. anyone who thinks owning a gun is dead to me. say what you want about the uk but at least we dont have this shit. even the police dont have guns. im not saying the uk doesnt have as many brutally damaged psychopaths, but at least they cant get a fucking gun. im of the opinion the 0.5-3 percent of humanity is, and always will be, mentally damaged in a way that means they will beat, rape, abuse and slaughter other people remorselessly. i dont think that will ever change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Whatever you think of his policies, his emotions were honest and real (in these instances). The content of the speech was secondary, imo. It was there to carry his emotions, so to speak. Same with that backstage speech. I was just thinking to myself, and really I don't doubt the authenticity of his emotions at all, but I can't imagine crying over a bunch of people who're complete strangers to me and the first thing I learn about them is the fact that they died. I guess that's just not the type of thing I cry about. I guess you simply don't have had any children yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Npoess Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 It is the responsibility of all intellectually capable adults to go beyond the idiotic "GUN DEBATE" and focus on the very serious philosophical questions at the root of our current age nihilism, religion, psychology, political science West Germany... How old is that poster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 i agree with the people who feel that the media is helping sort of snowball this phenomenon, by focusing on the killer's backgrounds more and more. they are making it into some kind of exposé, as if there is some kind of puzzle to be put together with these people. i'll admit that there will probably be some kind of warning signs in someone's life, before they do something like this, but what's the point of televising the search for those signs? it's really just giving these people spotlight, and possibly showing other kids out there that if they do it themselves, they too will get that spotlight/15 minutes of fame. I think it could be useful to society to know the causes involved in someone's psychopathic behaviour. The real question is whether, based on this information, society will act to remove such triggers/causes to minimise such tragic events in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 ill be honest, I used to be a pragmatist about the 2nd Amendment, but Im seriously starting to question my beliefs in light of this. and no, no US citizen or any other non-militarized citizen for that matter needs a decked out assault rifle. disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieBees Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 dont mess with the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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