Guest zaphod Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 i really fucking hate this forum sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I'm judging solely from the vid in the OP btw, haven't seen any other interview. Tnx for the daily show link, godel. The web exclusive is the most interesting part, btw. linkie? Yeah exactly. The interview wasn't about the content of the book. It was about Fox News questioning whether or not he was qualified to write the book in the first place. And he was simply asserting that he was. Do I understand it correctly (not only from your post btw - edit) that people in America are actually, really, in all seriousness discussing wether or not it should be legal to write books like this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Funny how commenting on the fact that the dude is being arrogant for a minute or two of his ten minute interview is construed as "arguing for Fox News". But it does make me wonder how I would react to that kind of accusation if I didn't have the time to think before I type, so I guess it serves its purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atom Dowry Firth Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 lol @ everything Humanity is a twat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 yeah I give up on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cult fiction Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Yeah exactly. The interview wasn't about the content of the book. It was about Fox News questioning whether or not he was qualified to write the book in the first place. And he was simply asserting that he was. Do I understand it correctly (not only from your post btw - edit) that people in America are actually, really, in all seriousness discussing wether or not it should be legal to write books like this one? No, at least nobody that matters, is discussing that - including Fox News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Yeah exactly. The interview wasn't about the content of the book. It was about Fox News questioning whether or not he was qualified to write the book in the first place. And he was simply asserting that he was. Do I understand it correctly (not only from your post btw - edit) that people in America are actually, really, in all seriousness discussing wether or not it should be legal to write books like this one? No, at least nobody that matters, is discussing that - including Fox News I'm glad. Funny how commenting on the fact that the dude is being arrogant for a minute or two of his ten minute interview is construed as "arguing for Fox News". But it does make me wonder how I would react to that kind of accusation if I didn't have the time to think before I type, so I guess it serves its purpose. Welcome to the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skibby Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 it probably said on the script to "maintain incredulity" i shit you not ladies and gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 lol It's kind of interesting how he says "you can be a follower of jesus, but not a christian". Of course it's the same old "aside from god religion has it's good points"- argument, but I never thought about jesus this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Foil Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Very interesting thread and video. Edit: By the way, both people in the video appears to be total idiots, so I'd say I'm pretty neutral in this. I'd love to see this thread go on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I'm judging solely from the vid in the OP btw, haven't seen any other interview. Tnx for the daily show link, godel. The web exclusive is the most interesting part, btw. linkie? Was included in the posted link. (4th part i believe - starting with the awkward silence...) As you've prolly noticed, considering your next post. lol It's kind of interesting how he says "you can be a follower of jesus, but not a christian". Of course it's the same old "aside from god religion has it's good points"- argument, but I never thought about jesus this way. Also note the "and you can be a christian, but not believe in jesus" or something of that nature. ...*winks* ...well, my god, did he really just say that a lot of christians do not follow the beliefs of this jesus.... on national television? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-july-17-2013-reza-aslan You gotta watch that from 21:00 on in, I think you'll find him less of an idiot. And he says some things I never realized, especially his last point about jesus being a jew and how the concept of a god-man would be totally ridiculous to him. edit Also note the "and you can be a christian, but not believe in jesus" or something of that nature. ...*winks* ...well, my god, did he really just say that a lot of christians do not follow the beliefs of this jesus.... on national television? lol lol yeah. It's kinda sad how this old jewish stuff together with the story of jesus was abused by the catholics and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I like how he linked fundamentalism to science as some sort of counter movement of conservative religious people trying to fit their beliefs into 'science'. Interesting way of putting fundamentalism in a socio-historical context . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Especially literalism, fundamentalism's been around since forever I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 If you're a muslim who wrote a book about christianity, you should know what you're getting at when accepting an interview for FOX. You've got to accept that you're gonna have to deal with total dipshits that completely ignore logical reasoning. That being said, I don't think he's being arrogant; what I'm saying is that he had already made his point of not being a random bloke like 4 times and it didn't work. You can't expect to make the same point a dozen times when clearly the anchor is not getting it / ignoring it; try something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 he could have taken this approach i suppose or the long con tactic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 ^ lol at both those clips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The thing is, he wasn't bragging. She was painting his as some random Muslim off the street who out of the blue wrote a book about Jesus. He was just trying to make it very clear that he is a professional scholar. If he didn't emphasize that fact, then many people would have gone away with the impression that he was just some randon Muslim dude out to ruin Christianity. That distinction was a crucial one, and deserved to be pointed out multiple times. Completely agree with LimpyLoo, the bias was painfully obvious and childish, and she was totally unprepared and incompetent. HOWEVER that said I'm sure this guy, being intelligent, knew 100% what he was getting into by going on Fox news, and was counting on it, for the same reason he named his book "Zealot". How in the fuck do you possibly get attention as an historian nowadays? By taking some beloved or at least well-known figure, or event, and taking a controversial stance on it (eg., Lincoln was gay, etc). He has to sell controversy to move units, I'm sure he's aware being a Muslim writing about Jesus gives him more sexy-scandal-factor, hence why it's on pg. 2 of his book. He's no dummy, he's using the known traits of the media and celebrity to his best advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 [T]he bias was painfully obvious and childish, and she was totally unprepared and incompetent.No-one here has claimed otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 i really fucking hate Cenk Uygur or whatever his name is. Just show the goddamn clip already and stfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 so i just watched that daily show interview and i gotta say i really like this guy. never heard of him before but what he says agrees with the other accounts & books i've read. was raised/schooled lutheran for 9 years ( ) so jesus became a pretty big part of my life, lol. fox news anchor can suck the hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 why do you hate him Smetty? I'd like to think he's one of the good guys who has a TV show right now. I don't really keep up with his show though i would try to land an interview on fox news just to say some really insane shit that would go over their head enough so they wouldn't be able to use the time delay to bleep it out. like '5 terabytes of snuff porn says that jesus was crucified' by the time they would realize what you just said it would be too late. Or say "i have 2 PHds in coprophilia, i am more than qualified on discussing this issue" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 why do you hate him Smetty? I'd like to think he's one of the good guys who has a TV show right now. I don't really keep up with his show though i don't feel that he adds anything of substance in the majority of Young Turk clips Ive watched in my time. He comes off as a Bill Maher type color commentator. I know a lot of people here like Maher, many times I sort of agree with him, but find the dialogue to be way too forced or hammy "Let's make fun of George Bush nonstop". But at the very least Maher is a comedian, this guy Cenk just seems to start every YT clip with "hey check this out isnt this crazy?" then inserts some really forced and flat attempt at "oh-aren't-they-stupid" humor. I'm just saying let the clip speak for itself; I don't want some guy commenting over top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 why do you hate him Smetty? I'd like to think he's one of the good guys who has a TV show right now. I don't really keep up with his show though i don't feel that he adds anything of substance in the majority of Young Turk clips Ive watched in my time. He comes off as a Bill Maher type color commentator. I know a lot of people here like Maher, many times I sort of agree with him, but find the dialogue to be way too forced or hammy "Let's make fun of George Bush nonstop". But at the very least Maher is a comedian, this guy Cenk just seems to start every YT clip with "hey check this out isnt this crazy?" then inserts some really forced and flat attempt at "oh-aren't-they-stupid" humor. I'm just saying let the clip speak for itself; I don't want some guy commenting over top of it. Shit yeah, I kinda agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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