Guest Rabid Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I messaged the guy about 4-5 years ago, when the video first came out and it had <100 views. He said he had business relations with aphex and took the video during a tour of his studio, which I'm inclined to believe since the video has always seemed genuine to me. This always fucked my mind so hard. http://www.flickr.com/people/masonicboomk8/ She used to post here. After annoying the shit out of everyone she called us misogynists and left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 She didn't seem annoying to me... It was nice to have some stimulating conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 ive been going through old threads on xltronic. that site had way more girls. great girls.. maybe there are girls here but i agree with my friend that watmm is too divided up into subforums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I can think of a few women here offhand, but we're clearly outnumbered. And frankly, threads like "54 Cymru Beats - hidden meaning" (at least, the first post in it) sound kind of like a guy bearing such a grudge against women that he needs professional help for it, but maybe that's just my interpretation of his interpretation. It's, uh, not the most welcoming place to outsiders, but I guess I should have expected that from the registration questions.Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have a place to talk to people about some of the musicians I love, it's just odd to sometimes get chased out with pitchforks for talking about other musicians I also love.I think fundamentally the issue's more to do with society in general and how people are still largely encouraged in certain directions and discouraged from others from a young age based on their sex. We really should be beyond this, with girls being encouraged to do technical things like programming just as much as boys. Then there'll be more women who like technical music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Going to that registration questions link in zoe's above post logged me out of the site. Just a warning to all who may click it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LimpyLoo Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 yeah lol put left and right channels out of phase and everyone will think you're RDJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I think fundamentally the issue's more to do with society in general and how people are still largely encouraged in certain directions and discouraged from others from a young age based on their sex. We really should be beyond this, with girls being encouraged to do technical things like programming just as much as boys. Then there'll be more women who like technical music. I wonder for how many more decades you are going to blame culture. If it was up to culture i'd be a rugby league playing, winfield smoking, jacked up Navara driving father with 1.8 kids and perhaps one divorce under my belt by now. The electronic music that we listen to is a niche within a niche, listened to by a few for whom the sounds make sense and bring joy. To get to this point we just kept our ears open and went our own way. Women have been emancipated for some decades now, and those of the more independent spirit can allow their spirits to flow in whatever direction that interests them. Given then the small number needed to make an impact in such a tiny space why aren't they here? Well because proportionally they aren't interested in this type of music to the same degree as men. It speaks to fundamental biological difference that can't be overcome no matter the pandering to pointless plaintive pleas to placate some phony guilt held over a distiction between the sexes. So in summation if they liked it and wanted to make it, and were going to be good enough to peak the interest of others, they'd be doing it by now and you would have heard about it. /unpins and drop hand grenade then walks away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Given then the small number needed to make an impact in such a tiny space why aren't they here? Well because proportionally they aren't interested in this type of music to the same degree as men. It speaks to fundamental biological difference that can't be overcome no matter the pandering to pointless plaintive pleas to placate some phony guilt held over a distiction between the sexes. So in summation if they liked it and wanted to make it, and were going to be good enough to peak the interest of others, they'd be doing it by now and you would have heard about it. What, like Daphne Oram, Delia Derbyshire, Wendy Carlos, Suzanne Ciani and countless others? Unless by "here" you mean WATMM in particular, in which case, I know plenty of women who make electronic music, one of whom already was here before leaving, and others who I wouldn't really feel comfortable recommending the place to. The problem isn't that women can't be interested in stereotypically masculine things. It's probably a lot more that we're not interested enough in them to put up with all the macho nonsense that seems ubiquitous in the places they're discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Foil Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Well, this thread sure went to shit pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeB Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I could have sworn there was a thread around here somewhere about women who made electronic music that was actually about their music and not judging them for their looks, or did I imagine it? At any rate, I can't find it now, hence the one I linked to instead, which kind of proves my point about how unfriendly the atmosphere in such places can be to women... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Given then the small number needed to make an impact in such a tiny space why aren't they here? Well because proportionally they aren't interested in this type of music to the same degree as men. It speaks to fundamental biological difference that can't be overcome no matter the pandering to pointless plaintive pleas to placate some phony guilt held over a distiction between the sexes. So in summation if they liked it and wanted to make it, and were going to be good enough to peak the interest of others, they'd be doing it by now and you would have heard about it. What, like Daphne Oram, Delia Derbyshire, Wendy Carlos, Suzanne Ciani and countless others? Unless by "here" you mean WATMM in particular, in which case, I know plenty of women who make electronic music, one of whom already was here before leaving, and others who I wouldn't really feel comfortable recommending the place to. The problem isn't that women can't be interested in stereotypically masculine things. It's probably a lot more that we're not interested enough in them to put up with all the macho nonsense that seems ubiquitous in the places they're discussed. Pointing out the miniscule number of exceptions that prove the rule is meaningless, as is your ire. Embrace reality, it's a nice place too. I could nitpick every point talking about how if there were female producers (of note) that given watmmrs low on girlfriends brainstate, they'd probably be all over them in an hive of frenzy. And how i have no interest in programming but like complex music, and that you are conflating an interest in mucking around with equipment for it's own sake, to being of a compositional mindset. Or how men and women are different, just look at the olympics. Perhaps art is part of the sexual display mechanism which helps females choose a male partner. And so on. Perhaps you'll calm down, perhaps this will only inflame your wrath. Either way, me continuing with this line of discussion serves no purpose. My point stands, time will tell whether i'm right. future possibilities given by genetic enhancement notwithstanding. /love dleetr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 IDM is a rabbit hole. No wonder so many artists really just try and copy one innovative artist. You listen to it enough and you analyze it to death and all you want to do is conquer the method. I think your best bet is not to think of music as either electronic or the other stuff. we are trying to invent here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 IDM is a rabbit hole. house is a feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I can think of a few women here offhand, but we're clearly outnumbered. i would consider you one of the coolest girls Zoe. Its a shame you weren't around back when xltronic was buzzing. im just feeling nostalgic for the site cause ive sparked a wonderful friendship with someone from there recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameChaos Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 i've just looked on there and it's dead. nowhere near as interesting as this place. plus i see a lot of bitter and depressed posts on there. blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chops727 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 yeah lol put left and right channels out of phase and everyone will think you're RDJ i just tried it and it does not work clever clogs, the vocal is not dead in the middle so it does not work. That clip is definitely from the stems or an isolated mixing channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I can think of a few women here offhand, but we're clearly outnumbered. i would consider you one of the coolest girls Zoe. Its a shame you weren't around back when xltronic was buzzing. im just feeling nostalgic for the site cause ive sparked a wonderful friendship with someone from there recently i justed checked xltronic reading this,i think it's cool. there was a joyrex thread so i clicked it and man wtf lol joymeng i really hope that isn't you posting there cause that is pretty low dude wtf fucking lel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 xltronic USED to be full of people. It died almost overnight inexplicably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 assassins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delet... Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 also, why would joyrex troll xltronic, must be dupe no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekosn Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 IDM is a rabbit hole. is a rabbit a-hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I think fundamentally the issue's more to do with society in general and how people are still largely encouraged in certain directions and discouraged from others from a young age based on their sex. We really should be beyond this, with girls being encouraged to do technical things like programming just as much as boys. Then there'll be more women who like technical music. I wonder for how many more decades you are going to blame culture. If it was up to culture i'd be a rugby league playing, winfield smoking, jacked up Navara driving father with 1.8 kids and perhaps one divorce under my belt by now. The electronic music that we listen to is a niche within a niche, listened to by a few for whom the sounds make sense and bring joy. To get to this point we just kept our ears open and went our own way. Women have been emancipated for some decades now, and those of the more independent spirit can allow their spirits to flow in whatever direction that interests them. Given then the small number needed to make an impact in such a tiny space why aren't they here? Well because proportionally they aren't interested in this type of music to the same degree as men. It speaks to fundamental biological difference that can't be overcome no matter the pandering to pointless plaintive pleas to placate some phony guilt held over a distiction between the sexes. So in summation if they liked it and wanted to make it, and were going to be good enough to peak the interest of others, they'd be doing it by now and you would have heard about it. /unpins and drop hand grenade then walks away. Great post, delet! Xltronic, to me, is a case of a community where lots of people eventually got a life (married, kids, jobs) and went their way, without new people or active site development to maintain the flow of (new) people. If jr+crew weren't as active and involved as they are, the same could happen here... Or anywhere else for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkaholic Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 so men prefer this type of eletronic music because its biological? thats just craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy or did i massivly missunderstand your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skibby Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 men are programmed to blow things up and turn the world into a barren circuit board women are programmed to cry and collect barbies the system does that, creates and perpetuates extreme gender roles, because its compatible with the dominant morality codes, cause parents guilt each other into conforming. boys and girls are separated from birth, they are told to wear different clothes and go to different toilets. while they are separated, teachers and parents treat them differently, conditioning them to either like IDM or Beeber. (edit) the tuss video must be authentic, i bet caption cornwall filmed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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