Hugh Mughnus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, very honest said: kim jong un said he's resuming the ballistic nuke program and it looks like trump just killed an iranian general Jfc I wonder when this is all going to come to a head via an all out global conflict. Edited January 3, 2020 by StephenG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 It's getting increasingly complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 if in 2020 you still believe trump and putin and buddies you are a fucking idiot 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, StephenG said: It's getting increasingly complex it's been complex as fuck for a few decades. idk that it could get more complex, save for the natural buildup of history of those said DECADES IN WHICH AMERICA FOR SOME FUCKING REASON IS STILL THERE. (spoilers, that is the fucking problem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Salvatorin said: if in 2020 you still believe trump and putin and buddies you are a fucking idiot It was never about them being 'buddies'. Putin wanted Trump in power to destabilise the western alliance, he doesn't give a shit about Trump in particular, just a means to an end. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, caze said: It was never about them being 'buddies'. Putin wanted Trump in power to destabilise the western alliance, he doesn't give a shit about Trump in particular, just a means to an end. lots of people (some probably ITT) think that they are/were buddies, or in cahoots or somesuch. this is of course not the case nor was it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lane Visitor Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 What do you guys think are the implications of this, all the hype aside? Ugh Trump just tweeted a huge image of the American flag 15 mins ago like he's a 12 year old brat. And all these alt right nuts are rah rah ing already. I'm no fan of the Iranian National Guard, but I think we've just headed into something freaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) ^hard to begin to quantify. this could, honestly, no hyperbole be the biggest event of this century (so far, obv)....and yes i'm including 9/11 (tho obv this is connected down the way). it could also lead to a little back and forth and then fizzle out as everyone remembers there's more money to be made in not killing each other. pulling this shit could easily bring up the tensions with Russia, Turkey, etc., as well as give other powers (China comes to mind first) the opportunity to further their own agendas while staying on the outside, perhaps giving them the better hand in the long run. idk, there's a LOT that could be said here. this is (could be) a very, very big deal. edit: i really doubt Iran is just gonna let this go, of course. i mean, maybe they could? i don't know enough about Iran's interests or tactics to really say. i'm certainly not the most knowledgeable foreign affairs person around here. Edited January 3, 2020 by auxien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Both Iran’s and USAs leaders are bull headed so p sure this is just going to escalate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, StephenG said: Both Iran’s and USAs leaders are bull headed so p sure this is just going to escalate. It's not because of the bull-headedness of the current leaders, it's a long-term strategy that didn't start with Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I don't disagree, but it's exacerbated via those with current high level decision making power... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 also very likely very related: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, auxien said: also very likely very related: Yep, most definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Stickfigger said: This is a good distraction away from all the bushfires which are dominating the news down here at the moment. Much needed events to spice up my newsfeed a bit What caused the bushfires, though? Probably the same way of doing economy Trump represents 2 minutes ago, auxien said: also very likely very related: How convenient that they attacked Saudi-Arabia, A+ reason to invade them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, auxien said: lots of people (some probably ITT) think that they are/were buddies, or in cahoots or somesuch. no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) for whatever reason, trump really panders to putin. numerous actions benefit putin and are starkly against US interest. for example, trump extorted ukraine to cover up putin's 2016 hack and dump operation on the DNC. that's what the crowdstrike conspiracy theory is, it's putin intelligence propaganda that shifts the blame for the hack from them to ukraine. oddly, trump started talking about the DNC server and suspicion around it immediately after his helsinki summit with putin. the conspiracy theory could not be found on the internet at that time. AND one of the things leveraged was a white house meeting, which was maybe more valuable than the aid because zelensky needed the show of support from the US while he is trying to negotiate an end to war with russia on terms that are favorable to ukraine.. countless very suspicious links exist. i never said they're friends. i think putin is kgb, and what they do is develop marks, and trump is a mark and an opportunist who probably knows he is compromised and is trying to weasel some cash out of this. Edited January 3, 2020 by very honest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, caze said: no. okay caze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Stickfigger said: I personally blame Greta for not bringing this climate change disaster to our attention earlier Yeah true lol. If we only had known it already 40+ years ago, we could have taken precautions. But that would have meant less short-term profits for the richest 0.1% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Mughnus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, caze said: no. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxien Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-iran-tweets-obama/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambermonk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Sonofabitch. Remember when we thought Dubya was the worst president to date? Granted he's still a piece of shit, but this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) yeah, this looks bad. this looks like trump wants war with iran. we're now in the time when we don't yet know what the iranian retaliation will be. and what trump's retaliation to that will be. do you think iran will do nothing? i sure hope they do nothing. Edited January 3, 2020 by very honest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 one the one hand it's good that Suleimani is dead, as he was a real piece of shit, responsible for a huge amount of misery and death across the region. on the other hand it could lead to serious escalation. hopefully it'll tip the balance towards the moderates inside Iran, he was basically the 2nd in command there, more powerful than the president even. probably wishful thinking though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I'm worried about the Iranian population. They're decent people The agitation and war propaganda against Iran has intensified for a while now. I imagine a war in a country with such a complex topography particularly difficult, time consuming and dirty. No one could win it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, darreichungsform said: I'm worried about the Iranian population. They're decent people The agitation and war propaganda against Iran has intensified for a while now. I imagine a war in a country with such a complex topography particularly difficult, time consuming and dirty. No one could win it no one wins. really. people said the same thing about iraq btw.. afghanistan too... " war in a country with such a complex topography particularly difficult, time consuming and dirty." which is sad that people will start asking that question. .once the news shows join in the trumpets it's all but done. once they start asking nad debating "what would war with iran look like?" and that kind of shit.. then it's over. then it's a conclusion in people's minds already and they've swallowed the idea and are just waiting. if trump decides for some action against iran there will be chaos. lot's of calm reasonable people on the sidelines will finally get off their asses and start protesting.. and the people who've been motivated all along and protesting etc will probably take things up a notch. but also all the blind "patriots" will ramp up their bullshit as well. it'll be chaos. there's been a "Committee to liberate iran" for like 30 years.. somewhere in the pentagon.. I imagine veterans will be split. fingers crossed that sanity prevails or some dumb luck to keep the orange idiot distracted. Edit: Rage Against The Machine is headlining Coachella though. so that'll ChAnGe eVeRyTHinG Edited January 3, 2020 by ignatius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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