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Now That Trump's President...

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#15251 goDel

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 04:29 PM

the more they hate her, the better presidential candidate she'd be. ;)

 

tbf, at first i didn't really like her. she had too much of a sjw vibe for my tastes. only moral outrage and nothing else. but she shows plenty 'else'.

 

really refreshing to see her opening up the hill again. it's like someone suddenly opening the windows in a dark and wasted house. a breath of fresh air. don't care if she doesn't have experience. she's from the proverbial 'repair democracy' committee. and there's some repairing to do.



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Posted 09 February 2019 - 04:38 PM

warrren's announcement speech. gets good somewhere around 20 minutes in.

 



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Posted 09 February 2019 - 05:34 PM

 

 

Too many bombshells to keep up with. It's the beginning of the end. Forever.

 

And yet nothing has happened. a million investigations and it's starting to look like it's all fluff in terms of Trump getting impeached.

That said, does anyone know how many people around trump have been fired/jailed/replaced etc for doing something wrong? It's insane how many people are getting in trouble around him.. but oh no, he's an angel. lol.

 

 

papadopoulos, flynn, gates, manafort, and cohen are all people around trump who plead guilty or were found guilty.

 

others, like stone, are awaiting trial.

 

others, like trump jr and kilimnik, are expecting to be indicted

 

others with indirect or unknown links to trump, like pinedo, van der Zwaan, and patten, have plead or been found guilty as part of the mueller investigation

 

more info here https://www.vox.com/...ents-grand-jury

 

many trump appointees face serious ethics scandals and a number including pruitt, shulkin, porter, price, and zinke resigned because of them

 

more info here https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=49334453

 

also noteworthy are the principled protest resignations such as Secretary Jim Mattis and Brett McGurk

 

 

hakeem jeffries has some good lists in this amazing performance

 


Edited by very honest, 09 February 2019 - 05:48 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2019 - 06:21 PM

^^ it's nice that people periodically remind the public of what has happened so far. 



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 12:41 AM



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 12:49 AM

Oh sweet video. Yeah.

BTW speaking of youtube... I've just now noticed this, but have YOU guys noticed that youtube has become a right-wing echo chamber, in the same way twitter is a left-wing echo chamber?  I don't know why I took so long but... just look at this video's comments, i've never seen it so lopsided:

(just posting video for the comments, not about the video itself)



Literally around 85% are holier-than-thou conservative comments if not higher. It's insane.  Anyway I've been clicking on various random political videos from different channels and it's always the same story, even if it is for liberals and lo and behold nearly all the comments are right-wingers complaining about democrats and how bad they are as people.

I think/feel liberal has become synonymous with "SJW" in the eyes of the general internet public, at least on social platforms. And so if a person is slightly liberal, or a centrist, then he will end up aligning right because they don't want to be "that guy"  or PC since liberal has been redefined as a left wing extremest. 

They are basically pushing the overton window to the right by successfully re-framing what a liberal is and I'm just now realizing how bad it's getting.

Btw there are sects of alt-right fascist people who are deliberately trying to push the window. They are actually somewhat organized and have a plan of action. That is insane since left wing folk aren't organized like that in any way, to have an ingroup that hides it's true nature from the public and are successful in doing so. For example using a certain emoji as an "alt-right" affirmation emoji so fascists can identify each other... and they will change it every few weeks. It came as a complete surprised when I found this out.

Here is, by the way, a good video worth the watch to illustrate what I'm ranting about. When I say they are organized I mean it:



Anyway sorry for the long post, but I'm curious of people's opinions? Also I recently realized that reddit is mostly conservative when I thought it was more liberal... like wtf is going on. I'm 90% sure it used to be more liberal. It's almost as if it's trendy to be conservative. 

 


Edited by Brisbot, 10 February 2019 - 01:31 AM.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 01:44 AM

It's strange that you can get stuck in a loop of alt-right videos by clicking on the wrong video game video, but you never get caught in an extremist liberal loop.

 

For instance, you don't automatically start getting served videos on how we should redistribute the public's stolen wealth to feed and clothe the poor by merely clicking on a top 10 moments of Assassins Creed video. Just my own observation, of course.



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 01:48 AM

Also I recently realized that reddit is mostly conservative when I thought it was more liberal... like wtf is going on. I'm 90% sure it used to be more liberal. It's almost as if it's trendy to be conservative.

yea I dunno about that.. depending on where u hang out on the net u get the impression that it's all alt right or all commies

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 01:50 AM

You read youtube comments? That's like reading /b/. Twitter similarly, btw.

Imo, there's always a percentage of people with extremist views. Right, left, or whatever spectrum you'd choose.

I believe the percetages are currently exaggerated for a number of reasons. One of them being that social media exaggerates it. (Through various means. One of them being the related/similar videos the algorithms pick for you, they draw you further into the extremes -because of bias) And another is money (troll farms, etc). If fringes get organized, there's finance involved. Organisation doesn't grow on trees. And when finance is involved, bigger interests are involved as well. (Nra financed with russian money?)

In a way, I'm personally not too worried about peoples personal views. I'm more worried about the various interests behind initiatives which allows fringes to organise and metastasize. Normally speaking you'd expect the fringe to be just that: fringe. When it comes a significant political force, somethings not right. (Think cambridge analytica...)

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 02:24 AM


In a way, I'm personally not too worried about peoples personal views. I'm more worried about the various interests behind initiatives which allows fringes to organise and metastasize. Normally speaking you'd expect the fringe to be just that: fringe. When it comes a significant political force, somethings not right. (Think cambridge analytica...)

 

 

ya.  sort of how a huge part of the world seems to have slid towards dictatorship style leaders all in the last couple years. cult of personality got huge and right leaning 'centrism' and outright fascism have crept/are creeping into power. 

 

the war on the truth etc. 



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:05 AM

 

Also I recently realized that reddit is mostly conservative when I thought it was more liberal... like wtf is going on. I'm 90% sure it used to be more liberal. It's almost as if it's trendy to be conservative.

yea I dunno about that.. depending on where u hang out on the net u get the impression that it's all alt right or all commies

 

well yeah, that wall of text I wrote basically sums up to "youtube is more dominated by right-wing". I know for a fact reddit is. I saw a demographic thingy like a month ago, and it's 60/40 conservative/liberal or so.  Youtube however idk I can't find anything. It's just that I've noticecd it in the comments.

 

 

 

You read youtube comments? That's like reading /b/. Twitter similarly, btw. 

My internet is slow so I will scroll down and read comments while buffering...  BTW I'm not saying conservatives dominate youtube, but more the political channels on youtube, which btw is the biggest form of news media for young people so... troubling signs.

 

 

 

In a way, I'm personally not too worried about peoples personal views. I'm more worried about the various interests behind initiatives which allows fringes to organise and metastasize. Normally speaking you'd expect the fringe to be just that: fringe. When it comes a significant political force, somethings not right. (Think cambridge analytica...) 

Well that's why the goal is to move the overton window. Make political discourse in general more conservative. What's one way to do this? Frame left wing as extremist PC culture. 

I listened to a podcast by a former neo-nazi some time back, where he explains the new method is to be subtle. You know, Instead of becoming a skin-head, wear a suit and tie. Basically re-frame racism into something palpable for the masses instead of lynching or whatever.

I'm not pointing to one single trajectory or thing causing more conservatism, but a whole bundle of trajectories coming from different movements that are indeed pushing the window right.

Seeing youtube so dominated by right wing just worries me. btw sorry if there's any incoherence, I'm tired.
 


Edited by Brisbot, 10 February 2019 - 03:07 AM.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:32 AM

 

 

Well that's why the goal is to move the overton window. Make political discourse in general more conservative. What's one way to do this? Frame left wing as extremist PC culture. 

I listened to a podcast by a former neo-nazi some time back, where he explains the new method is to be subtle. You know, Instead of becoming a skin-head, wear a suit and tie. Basically re-frame racism into something palpable for the masses instead of lynching or whatever.

I'm not pointing to one single trajectory or thing causing more conservatism, but a whole bundle of trajectories coming from different movements that are indeed pushing the window right.

Seeing youtube so dominated by right wing just worries me. btw sorry if there's any incoherence, I'm tired.

 

Where are you looking for your information? If you listen to podcasts like that, please don't be surprised you change your outlook on the world because of it. If you focus on the right, you see the right.

I haven't seen this domination on youtube, although I have seen some clips with a fair amount of right-wing activity. And I'm sure there's plenty of nonsense if you jump in that rabbit-hole. On the left, btw, you have an endless stream of white guys doing some form of TYT. Giving comments on how ridiculous FOX is. It's all equally insane, imo.

 

Don't jump into those social media rabbit holes if you want to keep sane. Choose your info. If you jump in, you'll only help making it bigger. You generate clicks and support it.



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 04:53 AM

It's strange that you can get stuck in a loop of alt-right videos by clicking on the wrong video game video, but you never get caught in an extremist liberal loop.

 

This seems to be by design, not ideologically but in terms of tech: facebook, youtube, twitter, their goal is to increase 'user engagement' - which seems to mean they want to keep users inside the app for as long as possible so that data can be collected and ad views/revenue can be optimized. This incentivizes the wrong aspects of human social behavior and individual responses to stimuli (i.e. negative emotion gets rewarded): you are more likely to stay 'user engaged' if the content is inspiring resentment, fear, paranoia, outrage, etc. There were some studies which showed that if you clicked on a youtube video that featured reasonable conservative commentary, then autoplay would, about 15 videos later if untouched, be showing you the more extreme and exaggerated form of such commentary in order to keep you 'engaged.' So you select a David Brooks video and then 15 videos later you got some neo-nazi stuff, etc. https://www.tubefilt...-home-autoplay/ looks like from this story that possible solutions are being examined by YouTube at least.

 

This is a serious problem, I would imagine, for young people who do not have access to proper education and do not know how to act as their own filters on the internet. 


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 05:55 AM

Months after watching one video of Jordan Petersen on CH4 news, youtube was still suggesting bullshit 'Ben Shapiro OWNS the libs' type videos. If you start clicking on those in turn who knows how far down the rabbit hole you can go.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:14 AM

Months after watching one video of Jordan Petersen on CH4 news, youtube was still suggesting bullshit 'Ben Shapiro OWNS the libs' type videos. If you start clicking on those in turn who knows how far down the rabbit hole you can go.


Stay signed out of chrome whenever possible, helps minimize that kinda stuff

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:44 AM

That's an interesting idea about keeping users engaged, but wouldn't videos of ultra liberalism also incite the same response from people on the right? Following your example, you should be able to watch one video on Robert Sapolsky and eventually end up at videos supporting socialism/communism. In my experience, you have to manually dig deeper in order to see those things.



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:50 AM

 

welcome to algorithmic world. if you know/understand the algorithm, you could game it and influence what others get recommended. do it massively and you can change society. 

 

thanks putin!


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:12 AM

Months after watching one video of Jordan Petersen on CH4 news, youtube was still suggesting bullshit 'Ben Shapiro OWNS the libs' type videos. If you start clicking on those in turn who knows how far down the rabbit hole you can go.

I've had similar issues with PragerU, CRTV, and Donald Trump ads popping up. But in the last couple of weeks I've found myself watching fewer videos in general. Political fatigue has taken its toll, but at the same time I need to stay informed on current events at the very least. At this point I care less about what people think, and more about what people know.



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:12 PM

reddit's left/right bias depends entirely on which subreddits you are in.  other social media like 4chan is almost entirely extremist right wing.  if you go through more obscure left-leaning videos on youtube the comments also mostly lean left, but the exceptions are when a video became popular on other right-leaning websites in which case the comments are completely brigaded by racist poltards


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:44 PM

interesting article on nyt on the vents in the manafort case

https://www.nytimes....pgtype=Homepage

 

reads like scenes from a movie. and def. feel like they're building up to a larger case. trump is a target...



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 02:19 PM

reddit's left/right bias depends entirely on which subreddits you are in.  other social media like 4chan is almost entirely extremist right wing.  if you go through more obscure left-leaning videos on youtube the comments also mostly lean left, but the exceptions are when a video became popular on other right-leaning websites in which case the comments are completely brigaded by racist poltards


this, def if u only seeing one side then u gotta check where u at.. or probs better just leave the internet for a while

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:46 PM

It's donnie v. Beto out in west Texas tonight:

 

https://www.nbcnews....as-wall-n970256

 

 

"We have a line that is very long already, I'm mean you see what's going on," Trump told reporters in Washington before departing for Texas, referring to people waiting to get into his "Make America Great Again" campaign rally. "And I understand our competitor's got a line too, but it's a tiny little line. Of course (the media) make it sound like they have more people than we do. That's not going to happen.”

 

 

You hear that all you left wing pinkos!!!! YOU'VE GOT A TINY LITTLE LINE



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 05:05 PM

ha.. spectacle. awesome. little donnie loves this shit. 



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:37 PM

interesting article on nyt on the vents in the manafort case

https://www.nytimes....pgtype=Homepage

 

reads like scenes from a movie. and def. feel like they're building up to a larger case. trump is a target...

 

that is a good article. it does feel like that. they are. he is.





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